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Tearful plea from victim's dad in deadly rampage (More gun laws, nothing about knives)
Yahoo ^ | 5/24/2014 | Yahoo

Posted on 05/25/2014 7:27:45 AM PDT by Dallas59

GOLETA, Calif. (AP) — A man whose son was among the victims killed in a shooting rampage near a California university quaked with grief and rage Saturday as he described his "lost and broken" family and the proliferation of guns he believes led to his son's death.
"Our son Christopher and six others are dead," Richard Martinez told reporters gathered outside a sheriff's station for a news conference the day after the shootings near the University of California, Santa Barbara, where the 20-year-old son was a sophomore. "You don't think it'll happen to your child until it does."

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1 posted on 05/25/2014 7:27:45 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

What does the father of the STABBING victims have to say?


2 posted on 05/25/2014 7:29:56 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Dallas59

I’m sorry, but it wasn’t the gun. It was the godless maniac behind the gun.


3 posted on 05/25/2014 7:31:46 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Better yet ... why doesn't this guy give a sh!t about the stabbing victims?

Something tells me he's recognized early on in the aftermath of this incident that he has an opportunity to cash in on the grievance industry, and he's jumping on it.

4 posted on 05/25/2014 7:31:56 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Dallas59

Don’t intend to be harsh but my father was killed by a sat nite special during a holdup. He was ill prepared to confront violence as were these boys.
If this dad had taught his son to carry and use a gun he would likely be alive today and his assailant dead. The solution to gun crime is to arm the victim, not the criminal.


5 posted on 05/25/2014 7:32:23 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Mr. Martinez. Your dead son doesn’t trump my 2nd Amendment rights. Sorry for your tragic loss. Very heartbreaking.


6 posted on 05/25/2014 7:33:53 AM PDT by redreno (Americans don't go Gault. Americans go Postal.)
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To: Dallas59

And nothing about the real problem: the mentally ill.

The three men stabbed to death by Rodgers were his roommates in a “sheltered residence” apartment for the mentally ill. Supposedly he was supervised by therapists.

His parents and the therapists asked the police to check on him because he had been posting violent things on social media. The cops determined that he was ok...based on what? Are they psychiatrists? Plus they’re terrified of being sued if they order an involuntary committal, since the “mental health advocates” have made this practically impossible and a highly risky thing for the person or agency who orders it.

He bought the guns legally. If he was so ill as to have to live in a sheltered residence, why was there nothing in his record that would have enabled the gun dealer to see it when he checked the purchase? It’s not the dealer’s fault, or because the laws on guns aren’t strict enough.

It’s because there’s a problem on how to handle the mentally ill. Blaming “guns” is a convenient excuse.


7 posted on 05/25/2014 7:34:37 AM PDT by livius
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To: Dallas59

A hateful Hollywood liberal rich kid kills similar. Any surprise maybe he went to Kerry’s global warming knew he was problem and fixed it.


8 posted on 05/25/2014 7:35:36 AM PDT by edcoil (Not a single republican was ever a slave owner. They were all democrats.)
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To: redreno

I feel for his loss, and detect a shout-out to gun confiscation foundations to hire him for their cause.


9 posted on 05/25/2014 7:36:29 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Dallas59
Evil guns and muppets. evil guns photo: Evil Sesame Street tbCAYRZ4C6.jpg It's Evil Elmo again and his Walther PPK. It's always Elmo! Elmo & his evil PPK .....
10 posted on 05/25/2014 7:36:55 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Dallas59

As sympathetic as I can be for someone who has lost their child, I would still comment that this grief has become a tool of controllers of lives who have no intention of fulfilling ordinary peoples’ dreams or desires. their success in furthering their goals will have no impact, nor would have on his life.

He would be better served condemning the filth sh!thole that Hollywood and urban California has become with its inclusion, diversity, need for government to solve all problems, and a general disrespect for the rest of the citizens in this country.

It has created untold numbers of privileged asswipes of celebrity like the Kardashians, children of entertainment and media luminaries, and all their wannabe hangers on and former celebs whose entire pastimes seem to be pursuit of excess (see, Lohan, Reid, Beiber, Cyrus, et al). And when they don’t get it, they rebel in their own childish and deluded ways.


11 posted on 05/25/2014 7:37:21 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Dallas59

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638474/Son-Hunger-Games-assistant-director-stabbed-3-shot-3-others.html

Good info from the Daily Mail


12 posted on 05/25/2014 7:37:33 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Dallas59

A soon as I heard about this I immediately concluded one thing, it was NOT the action of someone who actively and sincerely follows Jesus.

My next thought was....it was either a follower of Mohammad or an Insane Fanatic...but I repeat myself.


13 posted on 05/25/2014 7:38:07 AM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: Jim Robinson

And let’s not forget the parents who spawned an entitled, spoiled brat. Classic enabling due to fear of upsetting their Golden Boy.


14 posted on 05/25/2014 7:42:22 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("Where Liberty Dwells, There Is My Country". Ben Franklin)
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To: Alberta's Child

The families of the stabbing victims should be offended by their loved ones exclusion. You just know the MAIGfots and mom lookin’ for some “action” are already crankin’ their rhetoric filled screeds.


15 posted on 05/25/2014 7:43:53 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Dallas59

Matthew 19:21


16 posted on 05/25/2014 7:44:11 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (You can't be passive and moral.)
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To: edcoil

The kid posted a warning. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4fd_1400921453


17 posted on 05/25/2014 7:55:28 AM PDT by neal1960 (D m cr ts S ck. Would you like to buy a vowel?)
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To: Dallas59

I pray for the man and his family. A tragedy. As to the gun control ramblings from this man, grief is talking, not common sense.


18 posted on 05/25/2014 7:56:21 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be")
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To: neal1960

Should have added a language alert.


19 posted on 05/25/2014 7:56:22 AM PDT by neal1960 (D m cr ts S ck. Would you like to buy a vowel?)
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To: Cowboy Bob

A car was used to run down a victim or victims. Should we ban cars too?

Liberal logic is nonexistent.


20 posted on 05/25/2014 7:58:03 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Dallas59
Tragic but what if he had been killed by a car instead?
Much more common than gun deaths. Would he had called for banning cars?

21 posted on 05/25/2014 7:58:05 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Dallas59

The father is more political than rational. Watched him on TV and he sounds as crazy as the murderer doe in his rants.


22 posted on 05/25/2014 7:59:10 AM PDT by BilLies (sharyl attkisson is alive and well HOORAY!!!!!)
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To: Dallas59
His videos are still up.
Elliot Rodger
23 posted on 05/25/2014 7:59:26 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be")
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To: Dallas59

So we have this guy crying for gun control and totally neglecting his role in this tragedy. He was the closest to the problem and yet did nothing but provide lip service. Typical lib.


24 posted on 05/25/2014 8:03:09 AM PDT by JayAr36 (When an American dies Obama lies. And lies, and lies and lies forever.)
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To: Dallas59

Mr. Martinez, I am very sorry for your loss, but you are wrong about the cause. Your analogy that the gun was at fault, would be like saying that Hitler didn’t kill 6 million Jews, it was the zyklon-b pellets.


25 posted on 05/25/2014 8:04:33 AM PDT by DallasBiff (Lautenberg The Forefather of "The Nanny State!")
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To: neal1960

He was a spoiled brat no different from a baby, and when baby gets mad baby breaks his toys. He saw other people as his play things and when he didn’t get his way he went into a temper tantrum just like a baby. And how old is he? Oh that’s right, 22....So in other words he’s an adult yet had the mentality of a baby and of course there were no signs of this. My ASS.


26 posted on 05/25/2014 8:07:15 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: Dallas59

The guy has an agenda. Eliminate or control your rights to own and use guns.

The gun was not laying there, planning for someone to come along so it could kill them. He should know that guns are only objects to be used by responsible people in a responsible manner.

He should be faulting the crazy guy who planned the murders, not the object he used to commit the murders. The latter could have been swords, ropes, knives, pencils, arrows, even rocks. The list is endless.

He should be calling for more debate on mental illness and its causes, detection, diagnosis, and cure; not the objects crazies use to fulfil their evil desires.


27 posted on 05/25/2014 8:10:39 AM PDT by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: Dallas59

Put up a sign that says “Gun Free Zone.” That should work.


28 posted on 05/25/2014 8:13:21 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Dallas59
There is precedent. We used to have a terrible drug plague in this country. Then we passed laws against drugs. Now that problem is gone.

We need to take instruction from the War on Drugs, because it has been so successful at eliminating the drug scourge and disempowering the drug cartels.

29 posted on 05/25/2014 8:18:10 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Jim Robinson

The maniac used his car to hit people too.


30 posted on 05/25/2014 8:19:11 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I read even his family members knew he was a danger, but did nothing. This is what happens when spoiled rich kids have everything given to them without earning it.


31 posted on 05/25/2014 8:19:31 AM PDT by neal1960 (D m cr ts S ck. Would you like to buy a vowel?)
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To: livius

“And nothing about the real problem: the mentally ill.”

Correct, and this guy was SO nuts that his own parents called the cops on him.

Clearly that was ineffectual (why, I don’t understand but so it was), but my guess is that was not the only thing they had done to try and get him help.

I know from personal experience that is it pretty much impossible to get help for a mentally ill person. Psychiatrists, etc. spend their days helping the neurotic while the psychotic are pretty much left to fend for themselves.

In the 2 cases I’m personally familiar with, involving a family member and a close friend, many, many caring family members sought fruitlessly to get help for people who had lost touch with reality.

The end result in both cases was suicide.

I can only suppose it could have been worse.

The laws pertaining to mental illness need to be changed.


32 posted on 05/25/2014 8:20:07 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Dallas59
you raised this POS, but it's the GUN'S FAULT???

33 posted on 05/25/2014 8:21:02 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Dallas59

Suddenly, the parallels with the movie ‘Heathers’ stand out. Truly one of the more sarcastic movies ever made, it shows the imbecility and hypocrisy that comes out in people when their children go homicidally or suicidally bonkers, and in embarrassing ways.


34 posted on 05/25/2014 8:22:35 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Dallas59
"Oofta! This stuff again"?


35 posted on 05/25/2014 8:26:07 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Dallas59

Killing people is already illegal.


36 posted on 05/25/2014 8:31:39 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ExTexasRedhead

He was the evil sociopathic spawn of godless socialist Hollywood.


37 posted on 05/25/2014 8:31:49 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: neal1960

Anyone figure heritage? Initially thought gay and/or muslim


38 posted on 05/25/2014 8:32:09 AM PDT by edcoil (Not a single republican was ever a slave owner. They were all democrats.)
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To: jocon307

The problem with the cops is that they are too careful now, because there have been too many lawsuits and even prison terms for interfering with the “rights of the mentally ill.” One of which, apparently, is to shoot at or attempt to stab cops without having any response from said cops. I guess the police are supposed to be the sacrificial lambs.

But this shouldn’t rest on them. If this guy was dysfunctional enough to be in a special residence, under the supervision of “therapists,” whatever that means, why weren’t his violent social media posts and threats enough to immediately get him put into a locked ward?


39 posted on 05/25/2014 8:34:52 AM PDT by livius
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To: Dallas59

Somebody needs to clue this guy in that evil exists in the world. You cannot protect people from everything. Random violence will never be eradicated. If one of the victims had been CCW the problem would have resolved itself.


40 posted on 05/25/2014 8:37:12 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Dallas59

Yeah, he has to blame someone or something. So sad.


41 posted on 05/25/2014 8:40:39 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: Dallas59

Swim back across the Rio Grande to Messyco where gun laws are more to your liking, a**hole. Our 2nd Amendment rights are set in stone. If you don’t like it, leave.

Just another liberal POS exploiting a tragedy to attack our constitutional rights. Hey, I got the hershey squirts once after eating a burrito in Mexico. Maybe I should start advocating tearfully that Messycans adopt an American diet. A**holes.


42 posted on 05/25/2014 8:41:06 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I wonder if the father or his Doc knew he had guns?
If you had a 22 year old son within 100 miles that was threatening himself and others wouldn’t you go and confront him? This father had the means to get him at least temporarily committed. Then he could have searched his place and taken his car etc.


43 posted on 05/25/2014 8:45:08 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Jim Robinson

He was actually crazy, so dysfunctional he had to be in a special residence. His parents obviously paid for his “therapy.” I don’t know if this was a private residence or if he had gotten into the state mental health system at that point.

In any case, there is a problem here, which people on this forum are ignoring: he bought these guns legally. In other words, the gun dealer - who would always check the records - saw nothing that indicated he could not sell these guns to this lunatic. And like many people with that type of illness (supposedly a form of autism), Rodgers was obviously fine when he knew he needed to keep it together, as when he was talking to the police. So the gun dealer is not at fault.

The problem is the way we deal with the mentally ill. They can only be committed after the bodies are lying on the ground, and mental health treatment, even for seriously violent disorders, is never indicated so the gun dealers never can get a real idea of the person to whom they’re selling the weapon. This all comes out of the 1970s idea that mental illness was the result of capitalism, and only the mad were truly sane and thus should not be institutionalized...well, you get the general drift.

But unfortunately, it has resulted not only in millions of “homeless” (aka, mentally ill) filling our streets, but mass killings everywhere. And that’s the problem. The mentally ill can kill with anything because they’re very determined - because they’re crazy.


44 posted on 05/25/2014 8:45:21 AM PDT by livius
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To: Oldexpat

Mr. GG2 just commented that if it was his kid he would have gone over there and taken the guns away from him and had a real life talk about serious psychiastric counseling.


45 posted on 05/25/2014 8:47:46 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Every day, in America, there are dozen, perhaps hundreds killed by gunfire. These are not the focus of the people who CARE. They are victims of a drive by shooting, or innocents caught in the line of fire when turf wars erupt, perceived disrespect retribution, or robbery, as what happened in my town in the very recent past. Yet these caring individuals don't mark these as victims because the shooter is more than likely using a illegally obtained gun, and there is no nationwide call to disarm the criminal.
I guess I am saying the intellectual at the D Beast is using the tragedy to drive a agenda, which can only be established by outlawing lawful gun owners. At that point, the cities will become very dangerous places to live ( or,even more dangerous).
A 3 year old boy was shot in his father's arms as they lay sleeping in Jackson Mississippi last week. I suppose his dad thought he could protect his son by sleeping with him.The murderer shot into the house for no known reason. The horror and pain of that loss is not lost on me.My neighborhood is plagued with gunfire, that is NOT dealt with. Perhaps Kirsten could come stay in a normal town in a less that affluent neighborhood. Then she could realize the lack of action by police, the directives from the justice department, are all designed to allow a armed semi-civil force, able to follow directions without qualms, to kill anyone when the time is right. And there is NO enforcement of law that would jail the organized illegal gun users that kill every day in this country, without any national press coverage or moral outrage.
And I feel very sad and as much loss as the privileged news service types, who do not live with the daily possibility of being shot. The loss the families of the young victims, whose children once had a future full of possibilities, is tremendous when you think of it. I ache for them as much as I ache for the family of a old man killed at a Grocery store in what used to be the affluent part of town (meridianms) a week ago. He had survived WW2,and a life with personal loss in it in also to die buying flowers for his wife at the hand of a 16 year old punk trying to get his credibility, (let the reader understand). Not the first,in a list of killing in a small town in America. No national outrage for the dozens killed every day in our country.
46 posted on 05/25/2014 8:49:09 AM PDT by Boowhoknew
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To: Dallas59

Did anybody see any tears in his eyes?


47 posted on 05/25/2014 8:52:47 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: neal1960

You should see his Facebook page, the guy was completely self absorbed, just filled with one photo after another of himself. You have to have a Facebook account though to see it.....

https://www.facebook.com/elliot.rodger.3


48 posted on 05/25/2014 8:57:50 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: JayAr36
 
So we have this guy crying for gun control and totally neglecting his role in this tragedy.
 
That's exactly right - I noticed how fast he threw the blame out so there's got to be stink on him, just how much is yet to be revealed so he's trying to deflect attention off of him onto an inanimate object. Lame, but the political climate is presenting him with a convenient scapegoat. It's gonna be a short respite when the details are dug up and come out.
 

49 posted on 05/25/2014 9:10:54 AM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: livius

Yeah, I’m not so sure about that special residence thing. This is the only place I’ve heard that and I skimmed that long daily mail piece and I don’t think it said anything about that.

There was a picture of the building and it looked like an ordinary apartment building.

I’m not saying it’s not true, but as of now I have to class it as unverified.

I too wonder why the videos, etc. were not sufficient. I can understand why the cops would feel they had no grounds to arrest him, but it seems you might take it before a judge and try and get some order for confinement or something.

But, as we are saying, it really is almost impossible to get any legal or medical help for crazy people.

Remember Billie Boggs? She was a crazy, homeless woman living in NYC. I remember seeing her tearful sister and brother in law on TV lamenting that they were unable to get any help to help their sister. Why this actually became a news story I don’t remember. But it was pathetic. The woman’s sister was pretty much living like an animal, she wanted to help her, and society said: no, you can’t help her, she, you and we all must continue to suffer.

Why, because a person who is demonstrably insane thinks it’s OK? Who really are the crazy people in this?


50 posted on 05/25/2014 9:22:22 AM PDT by jocon307
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