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How the NRA Enables Massacres
thedailybeast.com ^ | 5/24/2014 | cliff schecter

Posted on 05/25/2014 8:00:17 AM PDT by rktman

As a shooting spree leaves seven dead in California, the gun lobby is trying to thwart attempts to study gun deaths and officials who see gun violence as a public health crisis.

Yet another massacre occurred last night at an institution of learning, this time the University of California, Santa Barbara. The price we paid for the National Rifle Association’s “freedom” was seven people murdered and seven injured at nine different crime scenes.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; california; elliotrodger; guncontrolnazis; santabarbara
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Gotta limit those evil 10 round magazines. Watch out Cali. Looks like muzzle loaders are on their way for you. Looks to me like the asshat sicko mf was in legal possession of what he had with him. I do have a question though. The 3 dudes that were killed by an evil assault knife, are there indications they fought back? Were they asleep? Did he drug them? Haven't seen anything about that other than 3 were killed by knife.
1 posted on 05/25/2014 8:00:17 AM PDT by rktman
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>>he 3 dudes that were killed by an evil assault knife, are there indications they fought back? Were they asleep? Did he drug them? Haven’t seen anything about that other than 3 were killed by knife.<<

Nonetheless, time to at the very least license knives (registered chefs only) or ban them (all knives must meet Federal Bluntness Standards and be less than 3” long).

It is for the children, after all...


2 posted on 05/25/2014 8:03:45 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (AGW "Scientific method:" Draw your lines first, then plot your points)
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To: rktman
As a shooting spree leaves seven dead in California, the gun lobby is trying to thwart attempts to study gun deaths and officials who see gun violence as a public health crisis.

Leave it to a flaming @sshole to claim that seven people were killed in a "shooting spree" when half the victims (the shooter who killed himself isn't a victim here) were stabbed to death.

3 posted on 05/25/2014 8:04:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

The NRA is no more responsible for this than the fork & spoon are responsible for people being fat.

This kid was a time bomb. The Liberals who think everyone should be ‘free’ in society, no matter how crazy they are is where the real blame lies, IMO.

Who in the pack of Libs was willing to put this kid into a place where he could NOT hurt anyone?

That is a very short list, if there is a list at all.


4 posted on 05/25/2014 8:07:48 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: rktman

Spree/mass-murder shootings are less than 0.1% of murders, but let’s focus on them because it fits our narrative.


5 posted on 05/25/2014 8:09:33 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: rktman
How the NRA AAA Enables Massacres
6 posted on 05/25/2014 8:09:41 AM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: freedumb2003

They are also counting one of the “murdered”, the suspect who killed himself. All that is important to them is that a gun was used, not the knives, not the car, only the gun. The mindless sheep that read that article and then posted apparently have NO clue of how six of the victims died nor care who anyone else was that perished/injured by anything other than a gun. The purposeful misinformation/misleading of the public by the MSM and the anti-gun lobby continues.


7 posted on 05/25/2014 8:09:56 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: rktman

Does the fact that the cities in our Country with the TOUGHEST gun laws also just happen to also have the HIGHEST MURDER RATES register at all with you?


8 posted on 05/25/2014 8:10:56 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and in politic)
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To: rktman
Yet another massacre

Well by the Left's easy definition, then, there's "massacres" every weekend in downtown Chicago (and other cities), but they have nothing to do with the NRA, just plain 'ol minority criminals & thugs doing their thang, so you don't hear about it much .... but one white guy with a gun??

WHOA!! Stop the presses!!


9 posted on 05/25/2014 8:11:07 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: freedumb2003

Well, actually, I did read in the Brit Daily Mail this morning that knife control is in effect in Britain. Even kitchen cutlery. I guess the two asshats that butchered that poor guy in the middle of the street didn’t much care about unlawful use of meat cleavers huh?


10 posted on 05/25/2014 8:11:40 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I blame BMW Motors , after all that was how he got around while shooting... all side windows on cars should be “fixed”.


11 posted on 05/25/2014 8:12:23 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Tucker39

Weird huh? But, the sheriff said everything he had complied with state laws. The only thing he did illegal was kill 3 people with a gun, 3 with a knife/knives and injure a couple with a BMW. Not counting him (maybe) popping himself. No long drawn out trial where he’d probably get off.


12 posted on 05/25/2014 8:17:51 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman
How was the killer still a virgin when his Dad was a director for one of the hottest movie franchises?
13 posted on 05/25/2014 8:17:58 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (100% pure organic, free-range conservative)
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To: rktman
making it illegal for RATS to posses a firearm would go a loooong way in cutting down the number of these multiple murders...
14 posted on 05/25/2014 8:18:50 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Guess he failed to use the “My dad’s a director on the Hunger Games” line to pick up chicks.


15 posted on 05/25/2014 8:20:16 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

It’s the culture you stupid liberals created that made this insane lunatic. It’s always the object and never the person. This is rich coming from the people who have utter disregard for any moral standards.


16 posted on 05/25/2014 8:21:02 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: rktman

Aren’t college campuses gun free zones? What a waste of human life liberal fantasies bring us.

Oh and BTW, just in time to distract us from how our VA system is laying waste to the lives of our soldiers. Pretty amazing coincidence of timing.


17 posted on 05/25/2014 8:21:56 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: rktman

yet another young, white male... devoid of social skills, relegated to the world of video games for ALL human interaction, being given powerful anti-depressants like Xanax.... snaps, and kills a bunch of people.

When will we find a way to deal with mental illness in this country? When will we recognize the danger inherent in people forgetting how to interact with each other? When will anyone identify the common link in nearly ALL of these mass murder: Psychotic medication of teenage boys.


18 posted on 05/25/2014 8:23:03 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!)
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To: rktman

So the idiot who wrote this crap article blames the NRA for the 3 who were stabbed to death and also claims the mentally deranged killer mudered himself??

That’s about as intelligent as blaming the killings on the severe case of jaundice the nutjob seemed to be suffering from in his last video...


19 posted on 05/25/2014 8:23:25 AM PDT by Geronimo
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To: rktman

Any word on what SSRI drugs the evil idiot was taking before he went berserk?


20 posted on 05/25/2014 8:23:29 AM PDT by GOPBiker (Thank a veteran, with a smile, every chance you get. You do more good than you can know.)
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To: rktman
the gun lobby is trying to thwart attempts to study gun deaths and officials who see gun violence as a public health crisis.

Because the CDC just did one of these study's and determined increased gun laws did not reduce violent crime. In fact the opposite happened. Having a re-study done is telling the CDC that they didn't like the outcome so get it "right" this time.

21 posted on 05/25/2014 8:23:55 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Alberta's Child

My point exactly. Horrific that anybody died, but, 3 of the deaths were by stabbing, not shooting. So this writer immediately calls credibility into question, with such a major factual error of what happened. A shooting spree did not kill everyone.


22 posted on 05/25/2014 8:24:05 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et)
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To: rktman

Every single weekend in Chicago a half dozen young black people are shot to death by young black people.

There has never been a single documented case of a dues paying NRA member committing mass murder with a gun.

Every one of these recent mass gun shootings has been done by a liberal or the children of liberals.

None of these people in Santa Barbara were killed by a gun. They were killed by a liberal psychopath who bought his guns with money given to him by his wealthy liberal parents or they were run down by the psychopath with a car bought by his wealthy liberal parents or stabbed to death by the psychopath with a knife bought with money given to him by his wealthy liberal parents.

The perp apparently never worked a day in his life. Yet he could afford a new BMW and money to buy at least 3 guns and 400 rounds of ammunition.

Half of his victims were stabbed to death. Where is the call to blame the National Knife Association?

The problem is not the weapon, but the values of the person who possesses the weapon. Schools no longer teach traditional values. Churches are abandoning traditional values. Traditional values are mocked by the society and we end up with narcissistic psychopaths who think they can become somebody important if they just kill enough people before they kill themselves.


23 posted on 05/25/2014 8:24:33 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Alberta's Child

“Leave it to a flaming @sshole to claim that seven people were killed in a “shooting spree” when half the victims (the shooter who killed himself isn’t a victim here) were stabbed to death.”

Just another SP Jew from NYC. Israel can thank us for keeping him here.

Schecter was born and raised in New York City. He attended the University of Pennsylvania, where he became politically active as a progressive and worked on his first political campaigns. He graduated in 1994 with distinction with a Bachelor of Arts in American History.


24 posted on 05/25/2014 8:24:55 AM PDT by vette6387 (n)
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To: rktman

This will die out when someone finds his family voter registration. In Hollywood it can only be Democrat.


25 posted on 05/25/2014 8:26:29 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: rktman

The NRA didn’t disarm the victims, people like the author did.


26 posted on 05/25/2014 8:27:04 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: rktman

3 dead by stabbing with a knife. Will libs picket Bed, Bath and Beyond now for selling kitchen knives?


27 posted on 05/25/2014 8:27:14 AM PDT by realcleanguy
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28 posted on 05/25/2014 8:28:03 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: GOPBiker
Any word on what SSRI drugs the evil idiot was taking before he went berserk?

His own "manifesto" claims he was taking Xanax and vicodin.

29 posted on 05/25/2014 8:28:38 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!)
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To: rktman
"The price we paid for the National Rifle Association’s “freedom” was seven people murdered and seven injured at nine different crime scenes.

The Natl Rifle Association's Freedom? Bull cookies. My 'freedom' comes from the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.

30 posted on 05/25/2014 8:29:11 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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One screwed up spoiled child does something like this and the rabid anti-gunners are out to disarm the entire country. He used a knife also. Where are the people wanting to ban all knives?


31 posted on 05/25/2014 8:29:43 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: rktman

In Britain, knives can’t be pointy any more, they have to have rounded ends like kindergarten scissors.

I say ban all BMW’s!


32 posted on 05/25/2014 8:29:47 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: SomeCallMeTim
yet another young, white male... devoid of social skills, relegated to the world of video games for ALL human interaction, being given powerful anti-depressants like Xanax.... snaps, and kills a bunch of people

He didn't "snap". He had been planning this for over a year. I don't see any evidence that he was on any kind of medication. If and when that comes out, then maybe you can take that position. However if he was not on anti-depressants then your theory is not advanced in this case.

33 posted on 05/25/2014 8:30:02 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: rktman

re: “ The price we paid for the National Rifle Association’s “freedom” was seven people murdered and seven injured at nine different crime scenes.”

This guy, of course, has absolutely no understanding of the Constitution. By his reasoning, any freedom we enjoy, as expressed in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution - if, someone abuses that freedom, then we must get rid of it?

The absolute crap/lies that are printed everyday and passed off as “journalism”, the filth that is recorded as “music”, and pornography that is filmed as “art” are all abuses of the First Amendment. I guess, by his reasoning, we need to “regulate” freedom of speech. Although, now that I think about it, he probably IS in favor of censoring conservative opinions and viewpoints. Leftwing liberals only want “selective” or “preferred” groups to have “freedom” of speech or the right to defend oneself with a firearm.

What idiocy.


34 posted on 05/25/2014 8:31:04 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: rktman

Maybe it is time to look at the real root of this violence, liberalism. From what I have read, his parents are devout, practicing liberals, and what do liberals believe? Everyone that doesn’t adhere to their beliefs are evil, unintelligent, and unworthy. When a kid grows up thinking everything around him is bad, feeling guilt, and accepting aggressive disobedience as an acceptable way to express dissatisfaction, I think this violence is pretty predictable. In some ways, liberals are like Muslims. They grow up with hate for everyone that doesn’t belong to their belief system, and some will act on it.


35 posted on 05/25/2014 8:31:51 AM PDT by Yogafist
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To: Tucker39

“Does the fact that the cities in our Country with the TOUGHEST gun laws also just happen to also have the HIGHEST MURDER RATES register at all with you?”

They would just interpret that to mean the gun laws are not yet tough enough! Might as well go outside and yell at clouds.


36 posted on 05/25/2014 8:32:38 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Yogafist

That’s tolerance for ya. :>}


37 posted on 05/25/2014 8:34:41 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Thanks, I think that makes it 99% of the people who go nuts and use whatever is close to kill lots of other people are using these drugs.

What will it take to wake up and realize these virtually untested, unreliable and dangerous drugs do not do the job the advertising says they will do?

Unless... scary thought, the point of these is to turn the average American into a raging maniac or a compliant sheep. Who would gain there?

If anyone reading is taking one of these drugs for any reason it would be worth considering another way to solve your issue.

These drugs are prescribed because of money regardless of the perceived ‘benefit’ to the victim paying for them and taking them.


38 posted on 05/25/2014 8:37:31 AM PDT by GOPBiker (Thank a veteran, with a smile, every chance you get. You do more good than you can know.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Nailed it.


39 posted on 05/25/2014 8:38:12 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: rktman

Articles like this one, that provide no opportunity for feedback are worthless propagandist pieces. The first thing I do with these screeds is quickly scan to the bottom, and if they are devoid of a comments section, they are ignored in their entirety. We already know what they say, so why even waste the time?


40 posted on 05/25/2014 8:39:11 AM PDT by rickomatic
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To: P-Marlowe

this particular puke puddler...was clearly an elitist’s elitist !

his eltisim went all the way to defining who should live and who should die and when!


41 posted on 05/25/2014 8:40:14 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

“yet another young, white male... devoid of social skills, relegated to the world of video games for ALL human interaction, being given powerful anti-depressants like Xanax.... snaps, and kills a bunch of people.”

Yep, another Adam Lanza, Jared Lee Loughner to a tee. Because of mentally deranged lunatics like this, we are supposed to sacrifice our Constitutional freedoms.


42 posted on 05/25/2014 8:45:41 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Yogafist

You’re so right. It’s the underlying problem in America. Liberals always whine about people “preaching” to them about morality but these are the same people who tolerate and promote violence and degradation of women in movies, tv, print and rap music. They have utter disregard for human life. How many potential humans have bit the dust since Roe v Wade? Don’t tell me it’s the gun who’s at fault. It’s our embrace of immorality that’s killing us as a nation.


43 posted on 05/25/2014 8:46:39 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: Liberty Valance; rktman
The Natl Rifle Association's Freedom? Bull cookies. My 'freedom' comes from the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.

No disrespect intended (particularly since you almost certainly agree with me), but our rights come from God. Saying it the way you do allows those who have contempt for the Constitution to blame a bunch of dead white guys, claim "white privilege" and proceed to ignore our rights by passing yet more infringements of our basic human right to defend our life, our liberties and those of the people around us. The 2nd Amendment only CODIFIES a preexisting right and clearly puts it beyond the scope of governmental action...it gives us NOTHING.

44 posted on 05/25/2014 8:48:21 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: rktman

It is not the “NRA’s freedom” to keep and bear arms. It is every American’s right. Anyone who doesn’t understand that is remarkably ignorant about USA Incredibly ignorant.


45 posted on 05/25/2014 8:48:44 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..)d)
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To: rktman

A better Article title would be: How Inanimate Objects Enable Massacres /Violence -or- How Psychiatrists/Mental Health Professionals Enable Murderers. First we need to build mental institutions ,then the dangerousLy mentally ill should be put in them. The parents and “professionals” who protect psychotics who attack others should be sued into sub_human poverty. That would only leave the intentionally evil criminals to arrest and execute. Then ALL inanimate objects would no longer be used to do harm.


46 posted on 05/25/2014 8:50:30 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: Ancesthntr

I see your point. Thanks for the response.


47 posted on 05/25/2014 8:53:46 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: rktman
Leftist gun grabbers, with many of us on the right especially libertarians who wish to legalize drugs, face a similar dilemma. That is, half measures, partial "progress" is worse than useless because they actually aggravate the problem which motivates both leftist and libertarians on their respective issues.

Legalizing some drugs like marijuana but not others, such as cocaine and heroin, leaves the profit motive intact, the addiction problem intact and the corruption unimpeded. Similarly, to tinker around the margins with gun control rather than confiscating all guns makes the situation worse because it simply renders the law-abiding more and more vulnerable to criminals who will continue to illegally possess and use weapons.

Even assuming that confiscation of all guns will greatly reduce mortality and putting aside the problem of the Second Amendment, there is no political will to confiscate all guns and so the left is reduced to half measures like reducing the size of magazines which only infuriate people who associate gun ownership with liberty and increase the mortality count. The left does not admit and cannot admit that it wants to confiscate all guns which must, of course, be their goal because it is the only rational solution from their point of view.

People on the right with a pesky libertarian streak (which I confess to), similarly are afraid to forthrightly maintain that all drugs, even the most pernicious, dangers and powerful drugs, should be legalized if the idea of taking the profit motive out of the drug business is to succeed. Both the left and the right find themselves flummoxed, the right by its inability to sell individual liberty and the left by its furtive yearning for the collective.

So we go on generation after generation at loggerheads on both issues confounded by our own rhetoric and, at least in the case of drugs, by our unwillingness to confront the reality of a war on drugs lost.


48 posted on 05/25/2014 8:54:23 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

How was he still a virgin? Evidently SOME females have instincts that warn them away from defective/insane males. If this spreads Jerry Springer et.al. Will be out of business.


49 posted on 05/25/2014 8:55:38 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: freedumb2003

Besides the three people killed with the knives, the punk ran down and injured, tried to kill in fact, people with his BMW. I guess we have to ban knives and BMW’s now.


50 posted on 05/25/2014 8:58:51 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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