Posted on 05/25/2014 9:21:09 AM PDT by Nextrush
The election results for the European Parliament will start coming in at 5pm Eastern Time (22:00 British Summer Time).
Many voters all over Europe are making their choices today, in the UK the voting was on Thursday.
Polling shows the United Kingdom Independence Party at about 30 percent popular support in spite of an intense campaign to discredit it by the major parties and the media.
Everything from the race card to the employment of UKIP leader Nigel Farage's wife as his secretary has been thrown on the wall in hopes of something sticking.
The immigration police just happened to raid the business of a man identified as a UKIP supporter one week before this election.
Many of the people in England have woken up to the fact that all the major parties including the one that calls itself "Conservative" have been selling them out to the European Union and letting the immigration faucet go wide open.
People in the UK are now having their say against the political establishment including the Conservative Party Establishment that deposed Margaret Thatcher from power in 1990 because she stood up for British sovereignty and the Pound against the EU and Euro......
(I HAVE LINKED TO THE BBC VOTE 2014 PAGE WHICH WILL BE FOCUSED ON THE LOCAL ELECTION RESULTS THIS AFTERNOON, THEY DO NOT SHOW THE NATIONAL ELECTION STRENTGH OF UKIP, BECAUSE UKIP IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH YET TO FULLY CONTEST THOUSANDS OF LOCAL SEATS IN ENGLAND)
If you don’t vote, you ARE lazy — but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Edison once commented that laziness was a major motive for invention. Edison was himself a hard worker; but the point is, you don’t want to waste your time.
Actually, voting almost never makes sense. Whether you supported the winner or the loser, the margin almost always is more than your one vote. Your effort in getting to the poles was wasted. This is simple cost-benefit analysis.
The trouble is, if you are a logical person and follow this analysis, all the elections will be totally controlled by illogical people who cannot understand anything, and most of them will be looking for handouts, or else will be socialists wanting to control things by giving out stuff. And where will they get this stuff to give away? Well, probably from you and people like you.
The answer is that you should vote in any case, if only for the psychological kick it gives you to stick it to the dummies. If you don’t get a bit of evil fun from annoying socialists, get some therapy, and start enjoying life.
That is probably why the aussies made voting mandatory.
In the US, we can vote and choose not to vote for someone in any given race. If I do that, I prefer to choose to write in a candidate, even though I know the write in won’t be read. It’s better than a blank ballot which people might get pro-active with.
I was wrong not to be more clear in my post.I was referring to next year's election.And although I've never seen firm proof that Perot's *intention* was to help BillyBob that's exactly what he did...intentionally or unintentionally.
Farage and UKIP are playing no such game. They are in it to win and might do that today beating all the other parties, not allowing Labour to win.
Again,thinking of *next year's* election Farage,IMO,will take far more votes from Cameron than from Milliband...giving Red Ed the win.BillyBob knew the same in '92....had Perot not run Bush The Elder very probably would have won.
Hopefully Britain will borrow from Alberta’s playbook and let the new guys roar in from out of nowhere.
Good. Having Labour back in power will just make them a bigger target for UKIP. Labour is already saying that they have to listen more to the people when it comes to immigration. The Liberal Democrats have been hurt the worst by UKIP, which doesn't have a seat in Parliament, but it might well gain a few in 2015. The LD could become the 4th party exchanging places with UKIP.
The Cameron coalition government will end and Labour will be back in the saddle. It has very little effect on the US.
Although elections are serious things, I think a certain cynicism about the whole business is not too amiss. :)
I’m not so sure that UKIP will take more votes from the conservatives than from labour. That is the established wisdom, but established wisdom has not had a good track record recently, partly because it tends to be very London centric. 90% of Britons do not live in London. In the midlands and (especially) north of England UKIP is the firm contender against labour, and I believe they will win several seats there.
“Strange. Has Europe not co-opted the American vote stealing apparatus? Or were the numbers so badly not in the commies favor they couldn’t even rig it?”
No, most of those places have the absolutely unreasonable requirement that you identify yourself when voting, and this is actually checked against an eligibility roster. Pretty oppressive, I’d say. </s>
Its well known that UKIP has significant support across the country, but that is the problem, it is spread out across the country, and not concentrated enough in any one particular area. They will still be lucky if they get a single seat the the GE next year.
It kind of depends how well they do tonight, and how much they can build on that momentum. UKIP does have broad support across the country, but there is no doubt it has its strongholds too, just like the other parties. It tends to do well in the leafy rural villages of the home counties, but also the old industrial northern towns. If they can win, and more importantly be seen to win, I think they might very well pick up some seats in the General election in 2015.
I admit to you that winning 326 seats needed for a majority in the House of Commons is a tall order, but if popularity of UKIP is now at around 30 percent, they are 3/4 of the way there and the Conservative Party is less likely to achieve that goal.
UKIP will have another year ahead to May 7, 2015 to do that and the momentum will be their way.
UKIP is contesting a by-election for a House of Commons .
(Parliament) seat on June 5th in less than two weeks. Its strength tonight will give it momentum towards that race.
THE UKIP VOTE EARLY ON IS 31.72 PERCENT, WITH CONSERVATIVES AT 24.60 PERCENT AND LABOR AT 23.10 PERCENT, LIB DEMS AND GREENS WAY BACK IN SINGLE DIGITS.
Link to BBC election programme:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27407926
Click arrow in picture at top of page to see it.
I agree. We have the same problem. The magicians trick we always fall for is....
When the elephant party is in power they pass illegal bills like the Patriot Act but they don’t really fully implement it. Then when the Donkey party comes into power, they push the petal to the metal and say...well it was started by the Elephant party so what’s YOUR problem? Now sit DOWN and shut UP!
Even so, demography is destiny. Europe is toast. Very many Mohammeds are getting to be voting age and they have EU ids.
That can happen. Remember Florida 2000. PO’d Cubans just barely tipped the scale against the dead people and hung chad vote.
With regard to voter ID, the system is curiously reversed. Each council maintains an electoral register, basically a list of all the citizens in their area who are eligible to vote. What happens is that several months before an election is called a card drops through your letterbox. This contains a list of all the voters at that address. If the list is right, you can ignore it. If not, you amend it and send it back. They check to make sure the changes are valid and update the register.
The card also details your polling station. Come election day you go along and vote at that station. The staff there have a print out of all the voters registered to their station, and they check your name off against that. You do not need to take the card in.
The culture is that every effort is made to ensure you can vote. In other words, the default position is that they will let you vote. There has to be a good reason for them not to let you do so. If your name is not on the list they have, or your name has already been checked off, then you can still vote, but your voting slip is sealed in a special envelope rather than going straight into the ballot box. The circumstances of the anomoly are written on the envelope and after the polls close it is delivered to the returning officer (the guy who supervises the election) for investigation. If the anomaly is due to some error on their part your vote will be added into the general pool. If it is due to some mistake on your part it gets rejected. If there is evidence of fraud or vote rigging, they call the police in.
In my experience the system works pretty well and returning officers are very thorough in implementing it. As a result, occurences of vote-rigging in the UK are extremely rare. There were suspicions over tampering with postal voting a few years back, but nothing was proven and the system was tightened up in response.
” The circumstances of the anomoly are written on the envelope and after the polls close it is delivered to the returning officer (the guy who supervises the election) for investigation. If the anomaly is due to some error on their part your vote will be added into the general pool. If it is due to some mistake on your part it gets rejected. If there is evidence of fraud or vote rigging, they call the police in.”
Who is this “returning officer”(who appoints them?) and what assurances do you have that she or he himself is inclined to make such an honest judgement?
Also if they judge the vote is a mistake on their part and simply throw in your vote with the already existing fraudulent vote then you have but half a vote.
Now it’s time for the USIP.
Latest from BBC
Party Votes % MEPs change +/-
UK Independence Party 4,351,204 27.50 (+10.99) 23 +10
Labour 4,018,804 25.40 (+9.67) 18 +7
Conservative 3,787,644 23.94 (-3.80) 18 -7
Green 1,244,475 7.87 (-0.75) 3 +1
Liberal Democrat 1,087,390 6.87 (-6.88) 1 -9
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