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Election Results: European Parliament Elections In Uk (Ukip In First Place?)
BBC News ^ | 5/25/2014 | BBC

Posted on 05/25/2014 9:21:09 AM PDT by Nextrush

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I have to be away most of the evening so I set this up for Freepers to discuss the European Parliament election results in the UK and the rise of UKIP.
1 posted on 05/25/2014 9:21:09 AM PDT by Nextrush
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To: Nextrush

Actual title: Most of EU votes in election finale

Wonder how it got changed like that, with all those caps and stuff?


2 posted on 05/25/2014 9:23:43 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Nextrush

Strange. Has Europe not co-opted the American vote stealing apparatus? Or were the numbers so badly not in the commies favor they couldn’t even rig it?


3 posted on 05/25/2014 9:23:58 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: humblegunner

I wanted to focus on UKIP in the UK because UKIP’s rise against the Uniparty over there is the big story today.....

Something needs to be done about the Uniparty in this country.


4 posted on 05/25/2014 9:27:16 AM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: riri

Geert Wilders party in the Netherlands has lost according to en exit poll from the main Dutch news broadcaster (NOS).

“The Telegraph” in the UK says it’s because Wilders linked himself to Marine Le Pen and the National Front in France instead of Nigel Farage and UKIP.


5 posted on 05/25/2014 9:34:39 AM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: Nextrush

In regard to Ukip, literally thousands of tweets this week about UKIP being “fascists and Racists”, and how UNBELIEVEIVABLE! it is that anyone would vote for “Fascists and racists”.

And that is just in English.

That smacks of an OFA-style coordinated campaign by the twitter bots.


6 posted on 05/25/2014 9:38:02 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Nextrush
UK Independence party (Ukip)'s "Nigel Farage had been expected to grab between 75 and 100 extra councillors at best, but added nearly 130. Labour MPs and activists, who had tried largely to ignore Ukip's impending arrival as the fourth party in British politics, veered between admitting that it had been hit and that Ed Miliband had to do better, and trying to dismiss Ukip as still so small as to be largely irrelevant."

Sounds like what the GOP does to the TEA Party

7 posted on 05/25/2014 9:39:22 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Nextrush
From a Guardian article:

"The alarm bells are ringing ever more loudly. When factory supervisor Peter Smyth, 60, from Rainham, Essex, voted for Ukip, it was the first time he had voted since he backed Margaret Thatcher in the 80s. "The older you get the more you realise politics is just a game show. Ukip seem more direct, less bullshit, more real," he said. "I'll be voting Ukip next year – not because I want them in government but because I want to scare the government."

8 posted on 05/25/2014 9:40:51 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Nextrush

I am constantly amazed that there seem to be no candidates who, once elected, are so disgusted with the system that they resign and spill the beans. The rewards for staying must be stupendous, and/or the punishment for resigning must be terrible.


9 posted on 05/25/2014 9:42:07 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: icwhatudo
From same article above: Ben Middleton, 30, who is unemployed, said: "I voted Ukip yesterday. The country's full. I reckon there's 10,000 immigrants in Rotherham – way more than they admit there is."

Hope the same thing happens here to the rinos

10 posted on 05/25/2014 9:42:12 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo

That guy has finally figured it out.

The talk of major differences between the major political parties is a show. They all do the same thing.

The D’s and R’s all wanted “healthcare reform” to make everyone buy higher priced coverage to bailout insurers and hospitals.

Romney did it first in MA, then Obama nationwide. The debate Republicans fuel with their emotions is one to modify Obamacare. Statements most of them make about getting rid of it mask their ultimate intention to keep Obamacare in modified form.

“You must realize that it’s all compromise...and the problems are so overrated”

-Petula Clark-”Don’t Sleep In The Subway”-1967


11 posted on 05/25/2014 10:03:20 AM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: Nextrush
Ed Milliband can't believe his luck.He's about ready to climax in his pants for the very same reason that Billy Bob did when he realized that Perot was polling at 20% of the vote.
12 posted on 05/25/2014 10:03:40 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Nextrush
Many of the people in England have woken up to the fact that all the major parties including the one that calls itself "Conservative" have been selling them out to the European Union and letting the immigration faucet go wide open.

Sounds familiar.

13 posted on 05/25/2014 10:11:31 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Gay State Conservative

Milliband is being criticized for running a bad campaign because UKIP is now taking Labour voters into its camp.

Perot pulled out of the campaign deliberately for a time in 1992 to tamp his vote totals down so he wouldn’t win. He was in to help Clinton.

Farage and UKIP are playing no such game. They are in it to win and might do that today beating all the other parties, not allowing Labour to win.


14 posted on 05/25/2014 10:13:15 AM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTHCARE= INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: Nextrush
Interesting and suggestive. It appears that in Europe, of which America is culturally a part of, that there is an ongoing abandonment of the traditional political parties. Indeed there is a reasonable argument to the effect that the traditional parties have abandoned the people. The party professionals have turned into a bunch of lying, greedy, drunken, drugged, overfed perverts who will do anything to promote their personal wealth and well being at the expense of the general welfare.

Please excuse a personal remark, but after 54 years a registered Republican I registered as an Independent a few months ago. Have others done the same? It appears to me that the Republican party has left Americanism and has become a party of self seeking degenerates.

15 posted on 05/25/2014 10:23:25 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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I can see one reason for staying in the Republican party. That would be that if an excellent and believable constitutional conservative is up for nomination, vote for that person in the primary. But if a RINO sellout gets the nomination, don't bother voting in the election.

It's important that constitutional conservatives get as high a percentage of votes as possible.

16 posted on 05/25/2014 10:29:17 AM PDT by grania
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To: grania

In my state I can vote for any candidate even as an Independent. At least in the primary and final election.


17 posted on 05/25/2014 10:36:52 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Please excuse a personal remark, but after 54 years a registered Republican I registered as an Independent a few months ago. Have others done the same? It appears to me that the Republican party has left Americanism and has become a party of self seeking degenerates.

I voted Republican since my first Presidential election in 1988, and Romney will be my last GOP vote. I left the Republican't Party after the McCain cluster flop and am now a registered non-affiliated independent. The American political system is as rigged and scripted as a WWE wrestling match.

18 posted on 05/25/2014 10:37:19 AM PDT by EricT. (Everything not forbidden is compulsory.)
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To: grania
I can see one reason for staying in the Republican party. That would be that if an excellent and believable constitutional conservative is up for nomination, vote for that person in the primary.

Keep dreaming. Reagan was an anomaly and the Ruling Class Uniparty has taken careful steps to keep that from ever happening again.

19 posted on 05/25/2014 10:39:05 AM PDT by EricT. (Everything not forbidden is compulsory.)
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To: grania

Is there an option to ‘spoil’ your ballot paper in a US election like there is in a British one? The trouble with not voting is that the pollies assume it is because you were too lazy. At least if you turn up and write ‘fu’ or ‘none of the above’ you are conveying a clear message that you don’t believe that any of the candidates deserved your vote.


20 posted on 05/25/2014 10:44:33 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

If you don’t vote, you ARE lazy — but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Edison once commented that laziness was a major motive for invention. Edison was himself a hard worker; but the point is, you don’t want to waste your time.

Actually, voting almost never makes sense. Whether you supported the winner or the loser, the margin almost always is more than your one vote. Your effort in getting to the poles was wasted. This is simple cost-benefit analysis.

The trouble is, if you are a logical person and follow this analysis, all the elections will be totally controlled by illogical people who cannot understand anything, and most of them will be looking for handouts, or else will be socialists wanting to control things by giving out stuff. And where will they get this stuff to give away? Well, probably from you and people like you.

The answer is that you should vote in any case, if only for the psychological kick it gives you to stick it to the dummies. If you don’t get a bit of evil fun from annoying socialists, get some therapy, and start enjoying life.


21 posted on 05/25/2014 11:08:29 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: docbnj

That is probably why the aussies made voting mandatory.


22 posted on 05/25/2014 11:11:47 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

In the US, we can vote and choose not to vote for someone in any given race. If I do that, I prefer to choose to write in a candidate, even though I know the write in won’t be read. It’s better than a blank ballot which people might get pro-active with.


23 posted on 05/25/2014 11:20:10 AM PDT by grania
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To: Nextrush
Perot pulled out of the campaign deliberately for a time in 1992 to tamp his vote totals down so he wouldn’t win. He was in to help Clinton.

I was wrong not to be more clear in my post.I was referring to next year's election.And although I've never seen firm proof that Perot's *intention* was to help BillyBob that's exactly what he did...intentionally or unintentionally.

Farage and UKIP are playing no such game. They are in it to win and might do that today beating all the other parties, not allowing Labour to win.

Again,thinking of *next year's* election Farage,IMO,will take far more votes from Cameron than from Milliband...giving Red Ed the win.BillyBob knew the same in '92....had Perot not run Bush The Elder very probably would have won.

24 posted on 05/25/2014 11:26:22 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Hopefully Britain will borrow from Alberta’s playbook and let the new guys roar in from out of nowhere.


25 posted on 05/25/2014 11:34:05 AM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Gay State Conservative
Again,thinking of *next year's* election Farage,IMO,will take far more votes from Cameron than from Milliband...giving Red Ed the win.BillyBob knew the same in '92....had Perot not run Bush The Elder very probably would have won.<

Good. Having Labour back in power will just make them a bigger target for UKIP. Labour is already saying that they have to listen more to the people when it comes to immigration. The Liberal Democrats have been hurt the worst by UKIP, which doesn't have a seat in Parliament, but it might well gain a few in 2015. The LD could become the 4th party exchanging places with UKIP.

The Cameron coalition government will end and Labour will be back in the saddle. It has very little effect on the US.

26 posted on 05/25/2014 12:06:09 PM PDT by kabar
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
And you can do some good too. Counting votes is a laborious and tedious task. A certain amount of humour always helps with the poor saps stuck with doing the count. My mother used to find all kinds of things - limericks, treatises on how "they all suck" and even marriage proposals.

Although elections are serious things, I think a certain cynicism about the whole business is not too amiss. :)

27 posted on 05/25/2014 12:08:20 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Gay State Conservative

I’m not so sure that UKIP will take more votes from the conservatives than from labour. That is the established wisdom, but established wisdom has not had a good track record recently, partly because it tends to be very London centric. 90% of Britons do not live in London. In the midlands and (especially) north of England UKIP is the firm contender against labour, and I believe they will win several seats there.


28 posted on 05/25/2014 12:15:11 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: riri

“Strange. Has Europe not co-opted the American vote stealing apparatus? Or were the numbers so badly not in the commies favor they couldn’t even rig it?”

No, most of those places have the absolutely unreasonable requirement that you identify yourself when voting, and this is actually checked against an eligibility roster. Pretty oppressive, I’d say. </s>


29 posted on 05/25/2014 12:16:27 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Vanders9

Its well known that UKIP has significant support across the country, but that is the problem, it is spread out across the country, and not concentrated enough in any one particular area. They will still be lucky if they get a single seat the the GE next year.


30 posted on 05/25/2014 12:24:55 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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It kind of depends how well they do tonight, and how much they can build on that momentum. UKIP does have broad support across the country, but there is no doubt it has its strongholds too, just like the other parties. It tends to do well in the leafy rural villages of the home counties, but also the old industrial northern towns. If they can win, and more importantly be seen to win, I think they might very well pick up some seats in the General election in 2015.


31 posted on 05/25/2014 1:14:57 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Gay State Conservative

I admit to you that winning 326 seats needed for a majority in the House of Commons is a tall order, but if popularity of UKIP is now at around 30 percent, they are 3/4 of the way there and the Conservative Party is less likely to achieve that goal.

UKIP will have another year ahead to May 7, 2015 to do that and the momentum will be their way.

UKIP is contesting a by-election for a House of Commons .
(Parliament) seat on June 5th in less than two weeks. Its strength tonight will give it momentum towards that race.


32 posted on 05/25/2014 1:49:51 PM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTHCARE= INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: Nextrush

THE UKIP VOTE EARLY ON IS 31.72 PERCENT, WITH CONSERVATIVES AT 24.60 PERCENT AND LABOR AT 23.10 PERCENT, LIB DEMS AND GREENS WAY BACK IN SINGLE DIGITS.

Link to BBC election programme:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27407926

Click arrow in picture at top of page to see it.


33 posted on 05/25/2014 2:34:34 PM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTHCARE= INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: Nextrush

I agree. We have the same problem. The magicians trick we always fall for is....
When the elephant party is in power they pass illegal bills like the Patriot Act but they don’t really fully implement it. Then when the Donkey party comes into power, they push the petal to the metal and say...well it was started by the Elephant party so what’s YOUR problem? Now sit DOWN and shut UP!


34 posted on 05/25/2014 3:04:41 PM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: The Antiyuppie
Do you need to show ID in Europe to vote? We are so much farther gone, in many ways, than the Euros.

Even so, demography is destiny. Europe is toast. Very many Mohammeds are getting to be voting age and they have EU ids.

35 posted on 05/25/2014 3:24:36 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: riri

That can happen. Remember Florida 2000. PO’d Cubans just barely tipped the scale against the dead people and hung chad vote.


36 posted on 05/25/2014 4:13:42 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: riri
I can only speak for Britain, but I happen to know it well, having been on both sides of the voting table, as it were.

With regard to voter ID, the system is curiously reversed. Each council maintains an electoral register, basically a list of all the citizens in their area who are eligible to vote. What happens is that several months before an election is called a card drops through your letterbox. This contains a list of all the voters at that address. If the list is right, you can ignore it. If not, you amend it and send it back. They check to make sure the changes are valid and update the register.

The card also details your polling station. Come election day you go along and vote at that station. The staff there have a print out of all the voters registered to their station, and they check your name off against that. You do not need to take the card in.

The culture is that every effort is made to ensure you can vote. In other words, the default position is that they will let you vote. There has to be a good reason for them not to let you do so. If your name is not on the list they have, or your name has already been checked off, then you can still vote, but your voting slip is sealed in a special envelope rather than going straight into the ballot box. The circumstances of the anomoly are written on the envelope and after the polls close it is delivered to the returning officer (the guy who supervises the election) for investigation. If the anomaly is due to some error on their part your vote will be added into the general pool. If it is due to some mistake on your part it gets rejected. If there is evidence of fraud or vote rigging, they call the police in.

In my experience the system works pretty well and returning officers are very thorough in implementing it. As a result, occurences of vote-rigging in the UK are extremely rare. There were suspicions over tampering with postal voting a few years back, but nothing was proven and the system was tightened up in response.

37 posted on 05/25/2014 5:48:22 PM PDT by Vanders9
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” The circumstances of the anomoly are written on the envelope and after the polls close it is delivered to the returning officer (the guy who supervises the election) for investigation. If the anomaly is due to some error on their part your vote will be added into the general pool. If it is due to some mistake on your part it gets rejected. If there is evidence of fraud or vote rigging, they call the police in.”

Who is this “returning officer”(who appoints them?) and what assurances do you have that she or he himself is inclined to make such an honest judgement?

Also if they judge the vote is a mistake on their part and simply throw in your vote with the already existing fraudulent vote then you have but half a vote.


38 posted on 05/25/2014 7:19:25 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Nextrush

Now it’s time for the USIP.


39 posted on 05/25/2014 7:22:38 PM PDT by dfwgator
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Latest from BBC
Party Votes % MEPs change +/-
UK Independence Party 4,351,204 27.50 (+10.99) 23 +10
Labour 4,018,804 25.40 (+9.67) 18 +7
Conservative 3,787,644 23.94 (-3.80) 18 -7
Green 1,244,475 7.87 (-0.75) 3 +1
Liberal Democrat 1,087,390 6.87 (-6.88) 1 -9


40 posted on 05/25/2014 8:29:51 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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Look at the results when London is separated from the rest of England, and the narrow margin in Wales...

England Excluding London
Party Vote % Seats
UK Independence Party 3638401 31.50 21
Conservative 2933694 25.40 15
Labour 2659136 23.02 13
Green 906976 7.85 2
Liberal Democrat 815371 7.06 1

London
Party Vote % Seats
Labour 806959 36.67 4
Conservative 495639 22.52 2
UK Independence Party 371133 16.87 1
Green 196419 8.93 1
Liberal Democrat 148013 6.73 0

Wales
Party Vote % Seats
Labour 206332 28.15 1
UK Independence Party 201983 27.55 1
Conservative 127742 17.43 1
Plaid Cymru 111864 15.26 1
Green 33275 4.54 0
Liberal Democrat 28930 3.95 0

Scotland
Party Vote % Seats
Scottish National Party 386193 28.91 2
Labour 346377 25.93 2
Conservative 230569 17.26 1
UK Independence Party 139687 10.46 1
Green 107805 8.07 0
Liberal Democrat 95076 7.12 0

41 posted on 05/25/2014 9:21:32 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: dfwgator

I think we’re getting closer to that at this point.

Since 95 percent of elected Republicans-Republican candidates fake conservatism in my estimation, I would welcome such a party to give me an alternative in a general election.


42 posted on 05/25/2014 9:30:46 PM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTHCARE= INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: Monorprise
Who is this returning officer

The post of returning officer is an honorary one, and is the Sheriff (ancient honorary title) of a County, or the Chairman of a local Council. The actual duties are carried out by an 'acting returning officer', the Electoral Registration Officer, who is usually the Chief Executive of the local council. The duties are supervised and monitored by the Electoral Commission, which sets performance standards.

43 posted on 05/26/2014 1:05:53 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: Monorprise
Ah, Juvenal's question eh? quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who guards the guards?

Returning officers are appointed by the local council, but their duties as returning officer are distinct from their duties as a council employee. They are highly trained and their duties are very strictly defined - you shall do this, you shall not do this, you must do it at this point and not at this and so on. If you've ever seen the results of British elections being announced you'll have seen them. Usually nondescript sober men who stand up and say "As the duly appointed returning officer for the district of wherever, I hereby give notice that..." Even what and how they say that is circumscribed by law.

Representatives of political parties have the right to be present at each stage of the verification and counting process and they are legally empowered to challenge any part of it. Such challenges MUST be accepted and suspect votes investigated. Such representatives can also challenge the decisions of the returning officer. His or her decisions are final, but if Representatives feel they are being grossly negligent and/or corrupt they can make formal complaints.

Because returning officers have to sign the official secrets act, if they are found to have been dishonest in the execution of their duties, they go to Gaol. No ifs, buts or whyfors.

By mistake on their part I meant if there was a mistake in the register, or if someone had checked the wrong name off. Duplicate votes would require more checking.

No system is perfect of course, but we dont have the gross abuses that Americans on these boards frequently assert the US electoral system suffers from.

44 posted on 05/26/2014 2:06:15 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: BigEdLB

Very telling that UKIP hasn’t done as well in London.


45 posted on 05/26/2014 2:56:22 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9

Too many Moslems


46 posted on 05/26/2014 5:41:00 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: Winniesboy

“The post of returning officer is an honorary one, and is the Sheriff (ancient honorary title) of a County, or the Chairman of a local Council. The actual duties are carried out by an ‘acting returning officer’, the Electoral Registration Officer, who is usually the Chief Executive of the local council. The duties are supervised and monitored by the Electoral Commission, which sets performance standards.”

Very interesting, and your comfortable that this ‘sheriff’, ‘Chairman’ or ‘Chief Executive’ of a local Council has no political inclinations whatsoever? I don’t know a lot about British political institutions but I’m not so such i would be as comfortable with the non-corruptibility of such positions as you.

That was a post for an age when men believed in honor and acted accordingly, but that age is sadly coming to a pass where today men(Namely leftist) are increasingly inclined to find their political ends justifying their very much dishonorable means. Are you quite sure this could not take place in Europe among theses ‘officers’ because the system you described to me seems quite filled with potential should theses men not be so honorable today as their ancestors.


47 posted on 05/26/2014 7:56:21 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Vanders9

Not that I care about British Elections but thank-you for enlightening me regarding the detailed enforcement of your electoral integrity.

As a matter of note American elections are carried out by States here, and thus you may say we have 50 different elections going on at the same time. Of which there is only gross abuses in a few states.
That is of course not counting the unavoidable abuses that is a direct result of Federal usurpation such as the 1993 Motor voter[fraud] act.


48 posted on 05/26/2014 8:02:21 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Nextrush

We can’t have but two major parties in Federal elections due to the fact that most states are winner take all, and the electoral collage requires an absolute majority less the election goes to the house.


49 posted on 05/26/2014 8:05:19 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise

Little more to add in response to this than Vanders9’s comments at post 44. Of course no human institutions are perfect, and there’s no absolute guarantee - but in practice the scrutiny of the count is such that it would be very difficult for a returning officer to play hanky-panky and get away with it, even if he wanted to. Also worth noting that the Electoral Commission, the independent supervisory body to which returning officers are accountable, is itself accountable to Parliament, not Government - an important distinction.


50 posted on 05/26/2014 8:23:40 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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