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Father of Slain Victim Blames Sonís Death on NRA and Craven Politicians(eh, knife victims too?)
breitbart ^ | 5/24/14 | r wilde

Posted on 05/25/2014 10:20:42 AM PDT by bestintxas

In an emotional statement, the father of a victim of the mass murder in Isla Vista on Friday night addressed reporters Saturday and warned families that it can happen to them too. "Our family has a message for every parent out there: You don’t think it’ll happen to your child until it does.”

According to the Los Angeles Times, Richard Martinez, the father of Chris Martinez, who was killed in the premeditated attack near the campus of UC Santa Barbara, spoke for 45 minutes, extolled the virtues of his son, and expressed his disdain for the National Rifle Association for refusing to back greater gun control legislation. “Chris was a really great kid,” Martinez lamented. “Ask anyone who knew him. His death has left our family lost and broken.”

Martinez, in an emotional plea, asked, “Why did Chris die? Chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA… When will enough people say, 'Stop this madness.' We do not have to live like this. Too many people have died. We should say to ourselves, 'not one more.'"

One student, 19-year-old Lyssa Hopper, was shopping at the IV Deli Market in the 6500 block of Pardell Road on Friday night when she heard a series of gunshots and a crashing

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elliotrodger; nra
I know this guy is hurting badly but why not blame the guy who caused the death?
1 posted on 05/25/2014 10:20:42 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

Don’t forget BMW. They made the car that hit people, too.


2 posted on 05/25/2014 10:21:29 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

BMW = Big Murderous Wheels!


3 posted on 05/25/2014 10:22:53 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: MeshugeMikey; null and void

As others noted in another thread....

Author of ‘Hunger Games’ from ... Sandy Hook.

Sand Hook contractors have to sign confidentiality agreements when bulldozing school where crimes occurred.

Asst. Director of ‘Hunger Games’ had son who did these horrendous crimes.

Totally irrational reasoning suggests first blame: NRA.

Very, very bizarre.


4 posted on 05/25/2014 10:26:31 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

3 guys stabbed to death prior to the shootings. Guess they don’t count. Sorry dad for your loss but don’t blame the millions of law abiding citizens who didn’t do anything harmful with their weapons this weekend. Guns? Legally obtained. Forty 10 round magazines. Legally obtained. So, now Cali. Are the new cries going to be for the number of magazines you “may” own/posses? Reduce the rounds/mag? Okay so the kid would maybe have had 80 5 round mags? Absurdity rears it’s ugly head yet again. No mark kelley-giffords the ugly head comment was not directed at you. This time.


5 posted on 05/25/2014 10:26:39 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: F15Eagle

It sounds to me as though the auto workers union is just as much to blame as the NRA. As long as people continue to think the way Obama supporter, Richard Martinez thinks, there will continue to be “massacres”. The NRA has nothing to do with the DemocRATS’ failed “people behaving badly” style of alternative society problem.


6 posted on 05/25/2014 10:26:57 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: bestintxas

How tragic. A man loses his son and he, having heard nothing but anti-NRA propaganda all his life by people who want to fool him, blames the NRA. The socialists must be giving each other high-fives over the brainwashing of the masses. This was their dream—having tragedies blamed on their political opponents. The NRA has saved thousands and thousands of lives but this father has never been told of that. What a tragedy.


7 posted on 05/25/2014 10:27:08 AM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: bestintxas
...and the politicians who ensured that everyone around there would be disarmed and that there were no armed citizens nearby to defend this guy's son. Or that his son could have been armed and defended himself.

I know he's hurting and suffered a terrible loss..but... Your son was a sheep, like you, led to slaughter on the alter of "gee, it sounds like such a good idea." Well, so-called "gun control" isn't a good idea. Common sense as well as a long bloody history tells us it leads to these kinds of incidents. Stop the insanity. "Gun free zones" are really just "defenseless victim congregation areas."

8 posted on 05/25/2014 10:27:57 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: F15Eagle

My guess is that the kid used dope of various types.


9 posted on 05/25/2014 10:28:44 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: bestintxas

Yeah, yeah, guns kill people just like spoons and forks make people fat and pencils mis-spell words. I feel sorry for the poor man, but he is one of the brain-washed sheeple.


10 posted on 05/25/2014 10:29:43 AM PDT by PROCON (Those who are capable of Tyranny are capable of Deceit to sustain it.)
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To: bestintxas
Spree/mass-shootings are about 0.1% of all murders. According to DOJ crime statistics, guns are used by ordinary citizens 2.5 million times per year to stop violent crimes like robbery, rape, carjacking and home-invasion (99% of the time without a shot being fired), but let's outlaw guns because that way we can feel good about ourselves.

Screw those 2.5 million people who defended themselves with guns. They deserve to be robbed, raped, carjacked and home-invaded.

11 posted on 05/25/2014 10:30:26 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: bestintxas

In The Words Of The Late, Great Ronaldus Magnus:”There You Go Again”!


12 posted on 05/25/2014 10:33:03 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: bandleader

Spoons make people fat too, but they also make them stupid when they use them to process drugs.


13 posted on 05/25/2014 10:37:27 AM PDT by billhilly (Its OK, the left hated Bush.)
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To: bestintxas

“Look over there! Look over there! Don’t look at me! The NRA is responsible for raising my children, not me!”


14 posted on 05/25/2014 10:38:09 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: bestintxas
Three shot, three stabbed, was the NKA {National Knife Association} held to blame for the evil knife?

Some self centered, crazed, pampered Hollywood spawn, rejected life, and committed multiple random murders and his own suicide.

His weapons were knives and guns, both tools but when used for evil human actions, get blamed.

The real villain, Rogers, is now being pitied, analyzed, examined, revered, reviled and given his 15 minutes of infamy.

But guns, they will be the villain for time immemorial.

{sigh} time for another donation to the NRA...

15 posted on 05/25/2014 10:41:19 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorist savages, everywhere.)
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To: bestintxas

That this greiving parent decides to say anything in front of the cameras confirms how accustomed many have become to volunterilly discarding their privacy. If something like this happened to someone in my family less that 48 hours ago, I would be in no condition to stand in front of a microphone talking about it. Everyone is different, but what does this do for him? This public grief? I’m not in his head. I hope I never have to be.


16 posted on 05/25/2014 10:42:34 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: bestintxas
So, the NRA is to blame for the failure of the CA criminal justice system?

I'm sorry, Mr. Martinez, but laws to deal with people like Elliot Rodger are already on the books. They simply have to be enforced.

PENAL CODE SECTION 422-422.4,

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422. (a) Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out, which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made, is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison.

  (b) For purposes of this section, "immediate family" means any spouse, whether by marriage or not, parent, child, any person related by consanguinity or affinity within the second degree, or any other person who regularly resides in the household, or who, within the prior six months, regularly resided in the household.

  (c) "Electronic communication device" includes, but is not limited to, telephones, cellular telephones, computers, video recorders, fax machines, or pagers. "Electronic communication" has the same meaning as the term defined in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of the United States Code.

<End quote.>

As soon as Elliot Rodger began making public death threats and/or threats of violence, particularly those posted to Youtube, he was violating the California "Criminal Threats" law (above).

The law was simply not enforced. The question is, why?

17 posted on 05/25/2014 10:48:22 AM PDT by holymoly
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To: bestintxas

Blame the gun ...

Geez, ask the parents of the murdered roommates who were slashed to death and maybe also shot.

Admittedly, I haven’t closely followed this horrid case, but the monster was intent on a murder rampage regardless of his wepaons.


18 posted on 05/25/2014 10:52:11 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: bestintxas

The killer blamed his years of playing video games for his hatred but the father insists it’s the NRA’s fault.


19 posted on 05/25/2014 10:59:20 AM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: lee martell

If anything, I would be angry and seething at the Rodger family and his various doctors knowing that they were aware of their son’s mental instability. While I grieve for Mr. Martinez, I hear too much of a big time liberal in his words, and you know damn well the left is going to use this guy for their own ends, probably as another gun rights advocate.


20 posted on 05/25/2014 10:59:31 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: bestintxas

When is someone going to bring up the racial hatred that drove this?

This mixed race killer’s hatred was focused on not just white women, but “blond” white women.

His obsession and hatred was of the most fair of white women, of Northern Europe ancestry, it was them that he wanted to kill during his spree.


21 posted on 05/25/2014 11:09:50 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: MeshugeMikey

From the message the kid left, sounds like he was a closet homo that hated women.


22 posted on 05/25/2014 11:12:18 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: bestintxas

We don’t have a gun problem in this country. We have a brain problem. And it is going to get worse.

After reading just some of this killer’s autobiography, only up to age 12, I am starting to believe that we need to STOP MAINSTREAMING kids with asperger’s or highly functioning autism.

And I have a son with it, same age as this guy. His childhood parallels my son’s except: I DIDNT FORCE HIM INTO SCHOOL. By 4th grade he was homeschooled all the way through. You will not see my son in the news for killing people.

First, the similarities: the frustrations that caused tantrums in this guy were like the same ones that did it for mine: things not going the way he thought they would, even small things. Very hard for step parents to understand, but moms make it a little easier, maximizing what they do like and eliminating or minimizing what they don’t. The same joys in athletic pursuits when they CAN keep up, and in Pokemon and video games, where there are not subtle cues to try to understand, just straight forward logic. Kids on the spectrum excel at these and engender admiration from the other kids.

The difference: when he started to come to the age of logic, he saw himself as FAILING. He looked around him with that Aspie logic, saw that he was unable to be popular like the other boys (probably far less of those than he realized even were), and tried his hardest to copy them. But nothing he tried worked. He was missing all social skills, and sadly, he was the only one who couldn’t see or sense this. My son was not in a world where he had to see himself measured against “peers” who are really not peers at all. Inside, the world is very different for neurotypicals.

Yet his parents, out of both ignorance of and disinterest in autism, kept shoving their little square peg boy into the round holes of school, public and private.

About a tenth of the male population at his age and younger is on the autism spectrum. Most are shoved into public schools and may well feel similar to him. The bullying and even just social ignoring they are receiving could lead these guys to logically click off as this one and the Sandy hook guy did. People with autism can click off their emotions easier than the rest of us, especially when young.

These kids need to be schooled with others with social deficits. Not the criminal guys on their way to Juvie, just other kids with spectrum or learning disorders who have trouble socially. This way, they can have friends and more understanding between them. Maybe even gender separation after fifth grade as well as intense coaching on social cues, and learning what the non-spectrum people can “sense” and how to make up for that lack.

I see hope if we as a nation can actually do concrete things to help our young boys with autism understand reality. This boy did not. My heart aches for the misunderstood, mocked boy he once was, just like my son. But when I saw that my son’s description of his third grade “friends” didn’t match up with the sheer avoidance of him I saw in the school, I took him OUT OF SCHOOL. And it was a religious private school, too. Children are children. No one helped this boy early on. No one realized this was going to be a powderkeg situation.

NOW WE KNOW. Kids with autism need to be in separate schools or classes, where they can honestly be taught about their differences, encouraged to have play dates with like mindeds, and believed in. THOSE WHO WERE MURDERED IN SANTA BARBARA WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY if this killer had been treated appropriately. He didn’t understand why he couldn’t have friends or girlfriends. He could have learned this at 12 instead of turning against the whole world.


23 posted on 05/25/2014 11:14:23 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: bestintxas

One of these days, politicians will have the guts to actually ban murder!

Oh, right, already done. Well, restrictive gun laws! Oh, right, California already has some of the most restrictive in the nation. Bans against knives! Err, right, Santa Barbara already has some of the most restrictive knife laws in the nation, in a state with pretty restrictive knife laws.

The insane murderer demonstrated he didn’t need guns to kill; he could just as easily used his car to mow down even more pedestrians rather than just those on bicycle. It is an insane murderer. It appears the only laws that really need to be examined is how we handle the insane. But that’s really tricky, so let’s simply blame the NRA!


24 posted on 05/25/2014 11:19:48 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: dragonblustar

Did the father of this murderer ever share script info on the ‘Hunger Games’ with his son, or run things past him regularly for the “youth perspective”? By his own words, the kid was also influenced by violent video games and that genre.

As a parent, I couldn’t fathom the loss of a child, much less in this manner… But what does it say of someone’s values when the first instinct is to lash out at political opponents & spout talking points ingrained into them? I hope to G-d that I never have to find out my own reaction in such circumstances.


25 posted on 05/25/2014 11:31:30 AM PDT by mikrofon (Memorial Day BUMP)
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To: ansel12

Loathing attitude towards women (Islam) , stepmother Moroccan (Islam), and birth mother Malaysian (Islam) ...could there be a connection?

Just sayin?


26 posted on 05/25/2014 11:34:49 AM PDT by neverbluffer
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To: bestintxas

The dad needs to shut his mouth in deference to the parents of kids his kid murdered. Because this isn’t on Asberger’s or guns or Hollywood. It’s on him.

This dad utterly abandoned his son.

I read what they’re calling the kid’s “manifesto.” It’s actually an autobiography.

He had a happy childhood with birthday parties, travel, and an intact family.

When his parents divorced, his world collapsed. There are no happy memories recounted after that (except going to the premiere of the fourth “Star Wars” movie.)

His father remarried. The kid didn’t get along with his stepmother, and he was banished from his father’s house. Not just abandoned — rejected.

So he was raised by his mom and World of Warcraft, which he played to the exclusion of everything else.

He agonized about always being the shortest, slightest boy in his class. So where was his dad to teach him other ways to be a man besides being six foot two, which wasn’t possible for this kid? How about, take him to church? Or teach him to tear down a transmission?

My guess is the kid couldn’t even change a tire on the Beemer his identity was so wrapped up in. Thanks, Dad!

Again, this terrible crime has nothing to do with Asberger’s, or Hollywood, or guns. It’s about a father abandoning his boy.

Fathers abandoning their boys to be raised by women and videogames are destroying America.


27 posted on 05/25/2014 12:14:14 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: Blue Ink

Sorry, posted the above on the wrong thread. It was intended for the thread about the kid’s father.


28 posted on 05/25/2014 12:16:16 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: bestintxas
I know this guy is hurting badly but why not blame the guy who caused the death?

Because he does not want to admit to any responsibility for not doing something about his crazy son, because this is California and the lawyers for the victims families will see him as the only guy around with any sort of deep pockets.

29 posted on 05/25/2014 12:18:26 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Blue Ink
He agonized about always being the shortest, slightest boy in his class. So where was his dad to teach him other ways to be a man besides being six foot two, which wasn’t possible for this kid? How about, take him to church? Or teach him to tear down a transmission?

His father taking an interest could have made a big difference. As I noted on another thread on this, the kid was living in LA and was the son of a Hollywood director. He should have had aspiring starlets lining up to go out with him. Yeah, the girls would have been using him to get introduced to the dad, but the kid would have gotten some attention. The dad could have worked with him on social skills. The dad could have asked one of the "cool" actors to do him the favor of showing the kid around and show him how to be cool.

30 posted on 05/25/2014 12:27:21 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: bestintxas

Sure, the lunatic who did the deed isn’t being blamed.


31 posted on 05/25/2014 1:36:04 PM PDT by bgill
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To: F15Eagle

From Sandy Hook?!?!? Hadn’t kept up with this story enough to know this. Lots of actors involved in the Sandy Hook incident (more than one coincidentally getting face time there and at the Boston Marathon, hmmm). Add the Aspergers, video games, raised by single mom and rejected by father. Could be a copy cat killing spree.


32 posted on 05/25/2014 1:51:07 PM PDT by bgill
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To: bestintxas
As a dad, I feel for his loss. However, the nut job would have killed with another weapon such as a baseball bat, should we ban baseball bats? (I think the Red Sox did so far this season). Or how about autos?

Guns do not kill people, nut jobs who are criminals kill people.

33 posted on 05/25/2014 2:08:00 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: bgill

I see I did a typo

s/b

~~~Sandy Hook contractors~~~

Sure a lot of ‘coincidences’.


34 posted on 05/25/2014 5:12:05 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: doorgunner69

His misogyny certainly was the most evident of his issues...


35 posted on 05/25/2014 6:23:55 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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