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Shooting rampage victim's father blames NRA
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Posted on 05/25/2014 10:29:02 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck

A father of one of the victims of the California shooting rampage blamed the NRA Saturday in a news conference.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
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While I sympathize with this man's loss, it doesn't change the fact that he is an idiot.

If somebody loses a child to a drunk driver, does the family of the victim blame the auto industry or the alcohol industry (or their lobbies) for the death? No, they put the blame squarely where it belongs: on the drunk driver. Yet the same people are conditioned to throw the same logic out the window when firearms are involved. It's almost a Pavlovian response.

1 posted on 05/25/2014 10:29:02 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

Please Stop!You’re Making Too Much Sense!!!


2 posted on 05/25/2014 10:31:00 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: ek_hornbeck

Had he not used a gun, he would have used a knife on them all. He used a knife on three of them, after all.


3 posted on 05/25/2014 10:31:28 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: ek_hornbeck

What about the shooter?! Doesn’t he care about him? The shooter died “a virgin!” Is that the NRA’s fault too? Morons.


4 posted on 05/25/2014 10:31:51 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: Admin Moderator
I forgot to check "this is an excerpt" so the link to the article didn't show up. Could you please go back and check that option so that the link appears? Otherwise:

Link to video/story is here

5 posted on 05/25/2014 10:32:48 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

Perhaps some engaging reporter could point to the number of time an NRA member has gone on a shooting spree


6 posted on 05/25/2014 10:33:45 AM PDT by digger48
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To: ek_hornbeck

If our gun rights were respected, this kid would have been shot before he could kill so many people. And if they made it into some European panty-waist country, loons like this would find another way to kill people. Like with his German BMW, or a bomb. He stabbed 3 of his 9 victims, let’s blame the knife.


7 posted on 05/25/2014 10:34:11 AM PDT by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Then the Dad is as crazy as the son.


8 posted on 05/25/2014 10:34:27 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ek_hornbeck
"California"

Keyword there...

I couldn't imagine what it must be like to be such a moron. To put myself in that place. Imagine.... Someone kills your kid, and rather than blame the killer, you focus your anger towards an organization that has absolutely nothing to do with the murder. WTF!! ....

The leftists have got to see things like this, and feel emboldened/accomplished as a result. Their plans/agenda is working.

9 posted on 05/25/2014 10:34:31 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: bandleader
As they say, whenever some lunatic or psychopath murders somebody with a firearm, the first thing the authorities and media set out to do is to try and punish the people who didn't do it.
10 posted on 05/25/2014 10:35:28 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

I can see where the son got the “blame everyone else” mentality!


11 posted on 05/25/2014 10:37:02 AM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Meanwhile the stabbing victims families are blaming the Ginsu company.


12 posted on 05/25/2014 10:37:57 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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Blames the NRA?

He conveniently forgot to mention violent movies and violent video games:

The father was an assistant director on a film series - “Hunger Games” - in which the main plot line is teenagers murdering other teenagers.

Also, the self-videos left behind by his murderous son clearly imitates language and plot lines from “American Psycho,” a movie about a man who murders female prostitutes.

Finally, in his son's manifesto, the young man mentions his enjoyment of violent video games.

13 posted on 05/25/2014 10:40:49 AM PDT by zeestephen
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“And if they made it into some European panty-waist country-——”—

Where there’s a will,there’s a way.

Norway-——77 shot dead in spite of strict gun laws.

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14 posted on 05/25/2014 10:41:07 AM PDT by Mears
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Shooting rampage victim's father blames NRA

And we properly blame you, ya barking moonbat.

Had an armed concealed carry individual been on the scene, the only mortality would have been the murderer.

15 posted on 05/25/2014 10:43:13 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Typical liberal response. Blame outside forces and not the culprit himself for the crime. How long will it be before some city council member in Santa Barbara will propose banning the use of silverware in that city’s restaurants because of the fear they could be used to injure or kill? Just being facetious but you never know with the convoluted minds of our leftist countrymen.


16 posted on 05/25/2014 10:45:13 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: zeestephen
He conveniently forgot to mention violent movies and violent video games:

I'm more interested in whether the kid was on Ritalin or worse psychotropics for the better part of his life. Being the prescription-based equivalent of a cocaine addict from early childhood has probably short-circuited many a young mind:

Mass Shootings and Prescription Psychotropics

17 posted on 05/25/2014 10:46:10 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

The distraught dad’s comments sound a lot like the wanker shooter’s - blaming the wrong people for his unhappiness.


18 posted on 05/25/2014 10:46:14 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: ek_hornbeck

In this case I blame Hollyweird.


19 posted on 05/25/2014 10:46:23 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Sooth2222

Your deep insight is needed here.


20 posted on 05/25/2014 10:47:01 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: ek_hornbeck
And is the NRA to blame for the three who were stabbed to death? How about the cyclist run down with the BMW?

I understand this man is grieving but his anger is misplaced and it is due to the misinformation disseminated daily by liberals and the complicit leftist media.

21 posted on 05/25/2014 10:47:10 AM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: KoRn
I couldn't imagine what it must be like to be such a moron. To put myself in that place. Imagine.... Someone kills your kid, and rather than blame the killer, you focus your anger towards an organization that has absolutely nothing to do with the murder. WTF!

As I said, it's Pavlovian, like a dog trained to salivate when a bell rings. The bell has nothing intrinsically to do with food, it's a conditioned response. Similarly, hysteria about the NRA every time somebody is shot is also a conditioned response.

22 posted on 05/25/2014 10:48:04 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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Lets see here dad, who had the most time with your son to influence him, you and your wife or the NRA. Don’t see anywhere that your son is an NRA member so where “H” do you get off blaming the NRA. Pretty pitiful to use your son’s death to further your obvious liberal bias.


23 posted on 05/25/2014 10:53:29 AM PDT by falcon99
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To: ek_hornbeck

Freedom of speech... allows a grieving parent to make an idiot of himself.


24 posted on 05/25/2014 10:54:54 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Is he going to put on his son’s shoes and go camp out in front of NRA HQ like Tom Mauser?


25 posted on 05/25/2014 10:55:39 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Disharmonious & Unmutual)
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To: South40
And is the NRA to blame for the three who were stabbed to death? How about the cyclist run down with the BMW?

Well, the car would be AAA's fault, and I'm not sure if there's a National Knife Association or not.

26 posted on 05/25/2014 10:55:46 AM PDT by seowulf (Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum. Cogito.---Ambrose Bierce)
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To: falcon99

Need to correct my post, had info wrong as far as influence, but the use of son’s death to further fathers liberal bias stands.


27 posted on 05/25/2014 10:55:47 AM PDT by falcon99
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To: ek_hornbeck

I blame the gasoline he used to get from crime scene to crime scene. When will we put an end to the ready availability of gasoline. After all, the possession of gasoline is NOT protected by the constitution. If not banning possession of gasoline at a national level, at least ban its sell and possession in California! How much longer must the evil results of gasoline possession and use be allowed to continue enabling criminals to get to and from crime scenes.


28 posted on 05/25/2014 10:56:21 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: ek_hornbeck

Was the shooter an NRA member?

Uh, NO.


29 posted on 05/25/2014 10:57:24 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: ek_hornbeck

I’m sorry for you loss, mister. If you send government goons to take my guns there will be more. Many more.


30 posted on 05/25/2014 10:59:46 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Who made the knife, and who built the car? More to the point, who bought him the car? His parents? Why not blame all blondes for not living up to his expectations! Who filmed movies that made him think that blondes are promiscuous and filled him with an expectation of easy sex? Or that there was something wrong with being a 20 year old virgin?

And the father of the deceased? Did he warn his son about the dangers in this world? Knowing that “this insanity” existed in the world, why did he not buy his son a bullet proof vest?

With whom does the chain of causation for these murders start? Everyone is to blame except the person who did this. And while the person who did this was not “insane,” he did have a mental defect. Yep, Asbergers; he was born that way. Can’t hold him accountable!

In spite of all this, I hope the father finds some kind of peace, and that Asberger’s sufferers not be blamed for all this.


31 posted on 05/25/2014 11:01:32 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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If the perpetrator’s father wants to blame the NRA, the AAA needs to be brought in also, as well as perhaps Buck or Kershaw, or Gerber, or Schrade, who manufacture tose deadly knives. Certainly, he had nothing to do with his son’s attitude? It must be the plethora of dangerous tools, eh? //sarc


32 posted on 05/25/2014 11:02:37 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: ek_hornbeck
Next time someone is hit by a car, blame AAA.
It makes as much sense.
NRA champions gun rights, gun safety and responsible gun use.
Nowhere does NRA promote senseless killings.

33 posted on 05/25/2014 11:02:40 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Since half of those murdered were with knives, I blame the knife industry for this outrageous attack! BAN KNIVES NOW!

(Oh, wait, that’s the UK thing isn’t it?)


34 posted on 05/25/2014 11:03:47 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

shhheeeshhhh! what an idiot!


35 posted on 05/25/2014 11:04:03 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: blueunicorn6

Dude, this is a victim’s father. Not the killer’s father. You know nothing of the son other than he was killed and was innocent.


36 posted on 05/25/2014 11:13:12 AM PDT by DB
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To: digger48

Or maybe the President of the NRA should have these figures at his disposal to answer the critics’ attacks. - When guns are OUTLAWED only OUTLAWS will have guns; and does any sane person doubt that OUTLAWS will continue as they always have? - I come from a culture that has always bore arms, to hunt, for an equalizer when protection is needed; and the current Pantywaist President can just stuff it. In WWII, my Daddy shot Germans in combat; he didn’t have to practice his aim much in basic training as he was already a crack shot. - If the people of this country let the current PP and Nancy Pelosi disarm them; they are skating on very thin ice. PP and minions, as usual, have it bass ackwards.


37 posted on 05/25/2014 11:21:02 AM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: zeestephen
The father was an assistant director on a film series - “Hunger Games” - in which the main plot line is teenagers murdering other teenagers.

The killer was only trying to please, or at least impress, his father. "Look over here, Dad, I'm as good as you.

"Why didn't you give me a starring role in your life/movie?"

38 posted on 05/25/2014 11:24:05 AM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Thank God ‘IT’didn’t reproduce.


39 posted on 05/25/2014 11:28:20 AM PDT by jim999
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To: Twinkie

I’m sure LaPierre has a statement ready-to-go on this shooting, knifing, homicide by auto

Problem is, the media won’t go running to the NRA for a comment.


40 posted on 05/25/2014 11:31:20 AM PDT by digger48
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To: Twinkie

Our military succeeded as well as it did in the past because:
1. Our young people were rural and familiar with the outdoors
2. they could shoot, as a matter of course, usually
3. they were in good physical condition

Except for a very small minority, the younger generation are:
1. afraid of reality and escape into fantasy
2. so out of shape as to break a sweat reaching for the remote
3. so indoctrinated to be victims as to be totally worthless in an emergency/survival situation.

But our criminal element; they’re alive and well.
Especially the white collar/political class scum.


41 posted on 05/25/2014 11:32:56 AM PDT by jim999
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To: blueunicorn6

This guy needs to look in the mirror when he is blaming anyone and everyone but himself. I hope he doesn’t have it on his conscience that he didn’t take the kid to Sunday School and Church, pray with him about his problems. He needs to seek Christian counseling before others (if there are any) in the family go the same way. Not judging but it is evident Jesus is the answer for ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS. The answers may not be what we want but in due time we see His Ways.


42 posted on 05/25/2014 11:44:59 AM PDT by Maudeen ("End Times Warrior - Just a Sinner Saved by Grace")
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To: DB

Yep. I screwed that one up.


43 posted on 05/25/2014 11:58:01 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ek_hornbeck

The poor father is mentally ill at this point. Discount everything he says.


44 posted on 05/25/2014 12:09:31 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: ek_hornbeck

He’s blaming politicians and the NRA. He was much closer to the situation than politicians or the NRA. He FAILED.

Politicians and the NRA aren’t responsible for teaching his child morals and values. We know what the son valued from the videos. This father FAILED.


45 posted on 05/25/2014 12:18:32 PM PDT by boycott
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I BLAME THE NRA FOR MY SUICIDE!!!

46 posted on 05/25/2014 12:21:32 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: ek_hornbeck
Well, it's the gun's fault, of course. And since this unfortunate father lost his son, everyone in
the entire country except the JBTs has to give up their weapons. </s>

May God help this idiot when some armed home-invasion robber kills him and ransacks his
house. He will have to answer the Deity as to why he disarmed himself and thus lost the life
God gave him.

Our first right is that of life, and it is our duty to protect it, since the JBTs have abdicated that
responsibility in favor of murdering innocents who do not obey them.
47 posted on 05/25/2014 12:31:27 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: ek_hornbeck

The father knows full well that his son has an ongoing mental disorder supposedly being treated by mental health professionals. The firearm license would never have been issued has the gun store known.

The failure is in the inadequacy of the mental health care professionals.


48 posted on 05/25/2014 12:44:37 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Where was Sandra Fluke when she was needed?


49 posted on 05/25/2014 12:52:01 PM PDT by Renkluaf
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To: zeestephen
The father was an assistant director on a film series - “Hunger Games” - in which the main plot line is teenagers murdering other teenagers.

That about says it all.

50 posted on 05/25/2014 1:20:15 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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