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Poroshenko wins in landslide, vows to 'bring peace' to Ukraine (UPDATES)
Kiev Post ^ | 05/25/2014 | Katya Gorchinskaya

Posted on 05/25/2014 11:17:20 AM PDT by WildSnail

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To: Bobalu

“I may be totally wrong but I get the feeling that Obama and the dems are looking to start a major war”

I don’t think they are looking to start a “Major War”. But this is TWICE now that their incompetence has almost stumbled us into one. Russia is determined to not let what happened in Libya happen again.

I have always said the whole situation in Ukraine is part of a much larger Geopolitical game. that took advantage of the already existing unrest lying just below the surface. Lots of factors are at work here.

Also, remember how after Putin made a fool of Obama after the Syria episode, Dem pundits were all over the TV saying “there are other ways to get at Putin.

Now, WHEN did the radicals show up at the Maidan, and when did it turn violent??


101 posted on 05/25/2014 6:14:16 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Agog

“Yes, the Ukrainian people were able to have their dictator resign”

uhhh....
Yanko never resigned. His Cabinet did.


102 posted on 05/25/2014 6:15:29 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Bobalu

Yes, I thought that was pretty funny...Spokes woman’s eyes always look like she’s zoned out...but putting Yulia’s braids on her really was too funny!


103 posted on 05/25/2014 6:17:44 PM PDT by caww
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“because their is no such evidence. Just lies”

I’m not a lawyer, and I don’t play one on TV or the Internet.

But, I can follow breadcrumbs. Google can be your friend, do you not know how to use it?


104 posted on 05/25/2014 6:18:03 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Yanukovich most certainly did resign, until someone (Putin) made him “change” his mind. Speaking of Yanukovich, there hasn’t been much news of him lately.


105 posted on 05/25/2014 6:23:16 PM PDT by Agog
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To: Bobalu

“Crimea is united with Russia for good, I think that is best given that it is full of Russian soldiers and their most important port facility is there.”

It may not be “for the best”, but the Russians certainly aren’t stupid. They knew what was going on next door in Ukraine, and made plans to act if the government fell.

I don’t think the Obamunists thought Putin would react to it, or, if he did, that he would react so fast. You can tell by the Administrations reaction, they didn’t have a plan B. Twitter hashtags don’t constitute an effective policy.


106 posted on 05/25/2014 6:23:30 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Nor can we ignore how the violence started when RS arrived. Up until then, it had been a fairly peaceful episode.

You're ignoring all the facts and I've pointed this out to you before. It wasn't peaceful up until then.

The violence started Nov. 30th when Ukrainian police violently ejected pro-EU protesters from Kiev square.

Or have you forgotten the burned and beaten "cops"? Is that too convenient a truth to accept?

Now you're lying again. I've never defended the beating of cops and I've posted the full time line of the Maiden details that documented ALL the violence.

Do you understand that?

On the other hand you have a long history of defending against the removal of Yanukovich who's Berkut was responsible for the killing of many unarmed protestors.

And you have a history of lying when somebody challenges you with facts.

107 posted on 05/25/2014 6:24:26 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Agog

“Yanukovich most certainly did resign”

How about a link to that, then??


108 posted on 05/25/2014 6:26:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Bobalu
Yes, Obama meddling is probably what lit this bonfire.

Sure. And Obama was around in ~2007 and lit the bonfire in Georgia. And Obama was around in 2004 and lit the bonfire in Ukraine.

Right??

109 posted on 05/25/2014 6:28:53 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

“On the other hand you have a long history of defending against the removal of Yanukovich”

By ALL means, please link to whenever I have said that. Who is lying now?


110 posted on 05/25/2014 6:30:12 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: FreeReign

Tunisia, Libya, Egypt....
All that needs to be said in response to that.

That you choose not to accept premise, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.


111 posted on 05/25/2014 6:33:01 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
So in other words, you have no evidence to prove your nutty alex jones conspiracy theory. Thanks for playing.
112 posted on 05/25/2014 6:33:01 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

lol...
I don’t have evidence of the Immaculate birth, either.
Or Aliens from Mars in bikini’s.

And who is Alex Jones?


113 posted on 05/25/2014 6:35:11 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: 2harddrive

Putin vowed to honor the election.

I imagine troops are on the way now.


114 posted on 05/25/2014 6:37:11 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: tcrlaf; Agog
“Yanukovich most certainly did resign” How about a link to that, then??

Yanukovich did sign off on early elections. We've now had those elections.

115 posted on 05/25/2014 6:37:21 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: tcrlaf

He’s another nutcase like you who spreads totally false enemy propaganda.


116 posted on 05/25/2014 6:39:01 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: FreeReign

“Yanukovich did sign off on early elections. We’ve now had those elections.”

Now, what will be the end result?
Granted, it is early, the election jusr happened, and the actual votes are still being counted, but how the Oligarchs react to it will tell the tale, I think.

Especially Kolomoisky...


117 posted on 05/25/2014 6:43:01 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Tunisia, Libya, Egypt.... All that needs to be said in response to that. That you choose not to accept premise, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

No, I choose to look at the evidence. You choose to ignore it.

Direct evidence points to Obama and his MB friends in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Syria.

And a history of direct evidence points to the people in Ukraine and Georgia rising up against Putin's puppets with out the help of Odumbo.

118 posted on 05/25/2014 6:43:32 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

s-t-r-e-t-c-h!


119 posted on 05/25/2014 6:45:23 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
“On the other hand you have a long history of defending against the removal of Yanukovich”

By ALL means, please link to whenever I have said that. Who is lying now?

What wait.

You were for the removal of Yanukovich???

120 posted on 05/25/2014 6:45:51 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: tcrlaf

I don’t think any of these guys nashing their teeth have a clue what’s happening in Ukraine....their level of denial is beyond stunning and borders on “disturbed” IMO. They just like to make “noise”.


121 posted on 05/25/2014 6:59:28 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf
Was just listening to a lively discussion about Ukraine's election....it was raised yet again, only now out of Europe, that Porsh just might not object to Donestk and Eastern Ukrainians being an Independent State, only there reasoning is it would likely satisfy the Oligarchs.

That's like letting Mafia bosses run their territories...LOL...Nobody does it like Ukraine...they've even been listed as worse than Russia for corruption in their Government.


122 posted on 05/25/2014 7:09:02 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf
Was just listening to a lively discussion about Ukraine's election....it was raised yet again, only now out of Europe, that Porsh just might not object to Donestk and Eastern Ukrainians being an Independent State, only there reasoning is it would likely satisfy the Oligarchs.

That's like letting Mafia bosses run their territories...LOL...Nobody does it like Ukraine...they've even been listed as worse than Russia for corruption in their Government.


123 posted on 05/25/2014 7:09:02 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Not exactly an online vote by any means....."Representatives from eight south-eastern regions voting at the people's congress in Donetsk to form Novorossiya.

These are the "representatives" picked by the separatists, who themselves had a sham vote with imaginary 90 percent turnout. Presumably the only people who voted against were the ones trapped in the basements being tortured.

124 posted on 05/25/2014 7:18:20 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: tcrlaf
Maidan was hijacked by people with a far different agenda than was the original intent.

At this point, your lies are already pointless. With the election, you won't be able to claim that Nazis are running anything anymore (which was itself a big lie you've repeated constantly).

125 posted on 05/25/2014 7:22:42 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“These are the “representatives” picked by the separatists, who themselves had a sham vote with imaginary 90 percent turnout.”

Kinda like the Continental Congress, eh?


126 posted on 05/25/2014 7:36:16 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

lol...
I see you have the DailyKos/EuroMaidanPR approved meme down pat.

Right now, RightSector/Svoboda are still running the show. Get back to me when they, and the Oligarchs supporting them, ACTUALLY give up power, K?


127 posted on 05/25/2014 7:39:03 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Don’t be sad...

Golden Dawn took 9+% of the vote in Greece, so you will still have actual Nazi’s MEP’s you can spin and deny for.


128 posted on 05/25/2014 7:44:06 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Right now, RightSector/Svoboda are still running the show. Get back to me when they, and the Oligarchs supporting them, ACTUALLY give up power, K?

That's easy, Right Sector/Svoboda were never in power. This was a lie the 1st time you said this and the first time I called you on it. Even you admit that, since both of them are anti-EU, and part of your big lie is that they're being controlled by Pro-EU Soros. Your conspiracy theory has never been consistent. Kinda like the Continental Congress, eh?

Another product of our public education system, eh?

129 posted on 05/25/2014 7:58:16 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Explain to me WHY the coup-appointed Governor of Dnepropetrovsk actually lives in Switerland??

If you dare, of course. That will answer a LOT about you.


132 posted on 05/25/2014 8:34:52 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Dude, get it straight: the winner is a Jew Nazi controlled by anti-EU Nazis supported by pro-EU Jew George Soros. RT just tweeted it.


133 posted on 05/25/2014 8:43:55 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf
Explain to me WHY the coup-appointed Governor of Dnepropetrovsk actually lives in Switerland??

I don't really believe you that he lives in Switzerland, but I also don't care. Doesn't really matter, since Poroshenko and the government at large, in line with the Maidan, is in favor of devolving power to the regions. Presumably, the appointment system will be replaced, and hopefully soon. (Though in Russia, they recently went from votes to the appointment by Putin!)

By the way, Kolomoisky is a Jewish anti-Putin billionaire, supposedly appointed by the "Nazis" Ukrainian "coup" government, AKA, the same Ukrainian Rada that's been in power since 2012.

134 posted on 05/25/2014 9:01:45 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

lol...
I KNEW you weren’t going to answer. That is why I asked it.
To do so would put to the obvious lie everything you have been claiming.


135 posted on 05/25/2014 9:04:43 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
I KNEW you weren’t going to answer.

I think you should probably read my post before you copy and paste your knee-jerk reply.

136 posted on 05/25/2014 9:06:04 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: tcrlaf

who’s side are we on?....I’m losing track of this mess...


137 posted on 05/25/2014 9:08:16 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
I agree these are the representatives selected since the referendum ...and they're certainly moving forward with their agenda for full Statehood....it also appears there is talk that it's possible Porsh may very well support them doing so.

However the only people hurting and in basements are these ill "Hospital Patients" who were taken to the hospital basement 'Semenovka' as they were being shelled by the Kiev Gov/Right Sector

Or these children huddled in a cellar in 'Slavyansk' hiding from the Ukrainian army's shelling


139 posted on 05/25/2014 10:20:35 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf
Some photos coming out that are quite moving...."This is Zinaida, 73 years old woman from Voronezh. She came to Mariupol as volunteer to take medical care of Donetsk and Lugansk defenders......Despite her age she's doing her duty pretty well as her patients say.


140 posted on 05/25/2014 10:32:25 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww; tcrlaf

This whole thread must be a lie...

According to TV broadcasts in russia.....

........yarosh won with 37%.......

“Security Service and State Service in cooperation with the Ukrainian IT- specialists found localized and finally neutralized virus software, viral tab that was supposed to work in the post-election period counting in the CEC. Specifically, the winner of the election with the rate 37% and the equivalent of 19 million voters had become D. Yarosh ,”- said the source.

According to him, the virus was disposed for 40 minutes before going ORT story aired. “Obviously , this is no time to learn in Moscow, because there is nothing to prevent the file ORT broadcast “feykovu” news “ - the newspaper notes.

Recall now the Russian “First Channel” showed the results of elections in Ukraine, where the top ranked candidate Dmitry Jarosz with a score of 37.13%.

Instead, according to final data from the National Exit Poll Jarosz not even entered the top ten candidates for the presidency and won 1% of the vote.”

All russia and their trolls, there and here, are
so simpleminded and their stupidity makes
bag of rocks look smart....Ed


141 posted on 05/25/2014 11:15:03 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: tcrlaf

Your Russian lies are falling apart comrade, the whole world is catching on now. The Kremlin puppet prez is gone and now the Ukrainian people are going to move further into the freedom they should have had the last 20 years.

Next is take back Eastern Ukrainian from the drunken Russian thugs and restore order there. They can be run all across the border into Russia and your comrades can have the terrorism on their doorsteps they have sown.

And now the world can unite against the bear and sanction the crap out of it.

Putin screwed the pooch on this one, Russia is going to be a whole weaker and got exposed for what it is, our enemy!


142 posted on 05/25/2014 11:33:25 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: tcrlaf

Light is on you Russian liar.


143 posted on 05/25/2014 11:37:45 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: All

Here is what the Kremlin had installed in Ukraine and the Ukrainian people ended.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7e6B64Iqqg


144 posted on 05/25/2014 11:42:33 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: hubel458

I haven’t referred to Yarosh as he was immaterial from the get go...everyone pretty much knew at the beginning of this race the election was between the top two contenders, Yulia and Porsh, and right from the start all news agencies presented them as such.

Moreso...it was obvious when “Porsh became the man of the hour” when he became involved in assisting the Maidan in the protests along with McCain and Nuland and Kerry, his ‘timed appearance’ was obvious...and further consolidating the voters when the “Boxer” dropped out to run for Mayor of Kiev and threw his support behind Porsh. Everything after that was show.

Yarosh was too much a criminal to begin with to stand much of a chance. Even the International Human Rights stood against him for that very reason.


145 posted on 05/25/2014 11:44:31 PM PDT by caww
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To: hubel458

One other interesting thing which occured in the run.....Yulia attempted to wiggle into the good graces of the US by arranging a trip to the US to “thank America” for helping in her release from prison. It backfired on her...they refused to meet with her. She thought she could manipulate the US further after it didn’t work when they first met with her in Ukraine early on. At any rate she cancelled her trip of course.

Her final move was getting photo ops with Ol’ retired Madeline from the us state dept....and then passing these out to to the voters in mass to appear as if the US was supporting her. It of course didn’t garner her what she hoped for.


146 posted on 05/25/2014 11:54:18 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

quote-appear as if the US was supporting her..

That is what I been trying to tell you trolls, the obongi
people are not supporting her or gives a rats ass about
UKRAINE, no support whatever, and hardly any in congress,
as there half the support seems for russia....
Only some American people care about Ukraine...

Their tepid response moneywise, was a small fraction of
what they are wasting on green crap,vote fraud, here in US.
Ukraines support is Soros, and western/EU globalists,
who are in competition with putler.

It don’t make her look that bad, but makes us look
like assholes, and drives home the point I been making,
obongi don’t care, he is with putler,, ‘’flexibility’’


147 posted on 05/26/2014 12:28:57 AM PDT by hubel458
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To: Grzegorz 246

You want to inform all the Putin ass kissers here on FR. I could list some names.....


148 posted on 05/26/2014 12:35:00 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Thank you for your comment. You restore turth to this thread!


149 posted on 05/26/2014 6:43:26 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: 1rudeboy

I have to say your comments are sooooo good & FUNNY!


150 posted on 05/26/2014 6:44:13 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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