Skip to comments.Far-Right National Front Wins EU Vote in France: exit polls
Posted on 05/25/2014 11:36:22 AM PDT by docbnj
France's far-right National Front was projected to win European Parliament elections in France on Sunday with 25 percent of the vote, with exit polls putting Francois Hollande's Socialists in a lowly third place behind the center-right UMP.
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...it doesn’t take much to be “far right wing” in 2014.
Hell Marx would probably be a moderate by today’s standards.
“Far Right” is simply smear labeling by the Communist media.
You know that.
Its code for “Nazi” which they cant say outright because it would be laughed at.
“Based on exit polls. National Front is called far-right in the media, at the same time they note that it is essentially socialist in policy.”
Saw a great chart that compared ideology not to a straight, linear Left-to-Right line, but as a circle. If you go faaaaaarrrrr enough to the right then you wind up back into Socialism. Nazi style.
Same thing if you travel faaaar to the left.
Of course, this is France, so “Socialist” is kind of a given.
A circle is exactly what it is like.
Its neither a line nor a circle.
The fact is, the Nazis were National Socialists (which is what their name means). There was nothing conservative about them. For example, their party anthem, Die Fahne hoch! mentions martyrs killed by the Red front and the Reaction (conservatives). The most enthusiastic segment of the population supporting the Nazis were teachers, roughly those at the equivalent of our high-school level. Think of our own unionized teachers for comparison.
Hitler is dead, but I often think that national socialism is probably the commonest form of government in the world today. Naturally, its practitioners would rather not admit the connection.
The Best Enemies Money Can Buy.
Thank you. The whole meme of the Nazis as a right wing organization is simply socialist propaganda. It's amazing that you still run into it even here on good old FR.
“Far right” means what? Lower taxes and defend your border?
When did the French EVER want that?
You'd be surprised how many Democrats and other associated Leftists take pride in their socialism when they make a comment about my bumper sticker ...
... they don’t understand what a “National Socialist” is ...
Politicalcompass.org has a good paradigm.
Every couple years I take their questionnaire to see if I have drifted.
NAZI is not on the right at all, they were competitors for the same supporters as the commies
Leftists have no idea how stupid they really are
I don’t see them holding power over a period of time and i don’t think electing Nazi’s is a good idea but every now and again the establishment needs to be called into account for their actions. Overall its a good thing and it will pass but the conversation in France will shift away from unfettered immigration towards a more sane policy. Let the Germans invite in the entire middle east if they wish. The rest of Europe is shifting away from that.
“Far right” is anything that gets in the way of Soros’s grand strategies. :)
This does not come from reason, but from the simple fact that the Communists labeled anybody who opposed them as "far right". Thus Nazis and Jeffersonians are both "far right".
A more rational spectrum would put those in favor of authoritarian state control on one end (putting Communists, Nazis, and fans of dictatorship in general on the same end), and those wanting minimal government on the other end.
The Libertarian Party has the worlds smallest political quiz...which is a good way of knowing who you are voting for.
Something needed to be done about all the Islamo fascists being let in to take over their country. As it is there are too many muslim nutjobs living there now. They have their work cut out for them. They need to ban muslim teaching to youth to stop it.
GOODDDDDDDDD! Take that you French socialists!
Nigel Farage of UKIP has kept his distance from the FN but the people of France vote for them because of the misery brought upon them by business as usual politicians like people in England vote for UKIP.
Conservatives want a small centralized government. Conservatives greatly value individual freedoms, and believe that each person has the right and responsibility to make decisions for himself.
Liberals want a large centralized government, and one that limits individual freedoms ("for the common good"). Liberals do not even see people as individuals, but only as members of some group.
Nazis and Communists believe in none of the conservative ideas, and in all of the liberal ones. Case closed.
Statism (despots) /\ (no comment) / \ / \ Leftism / \ Conservatism \ / \ / (Liberals) \ / (Founding Fathers) \/ Libertarianism
Libertarians must have created that one
Looks like the French got tired of Francois Hollande’s schemes pretty quickly. Wish American has as much sense with nobama.
True, I did ;)
France is fightimg between national socialists and international socialists.
Libertarian nationalism is dead in continental europe.
Far right has a different meaning in Europe than it does here. Unfortunately most young people don’t know that.
I suggest staying with the term 'socialist' as in the other posts.
Sure. National socialism. Familiar?
At the same time, people often confuse socialist terrorism with anarchist activity, which is incorrect. Anarchy is the absence of government where most activity described as being anarchist is actually intent on bringing about a more severe form of totalitarianism.
It's taken the left decades to spread about the false premise of previous spectrums, but a simple chart shreads all their efforts. The simplest explanation of conservatism is a minimalist governing body, which falls on the center of the scale. The beliefs of libertarianism take us towards the far right. Not that I have a problem with that.
Most anarchists and some Libertopians are actually socialists who want to crash the system and rebuild utopia. To find Libertopian utopia read: Brave New World
You can find the whole thing online
Don’t know what to think. UKIP, who I like, won’t have anything to do with them.
I actually thought about that. For as you know, at one time "liberal" had a very non-political meaning; it meant open to new ideas.
But to me, "socialist" doesn't seem to fit quite right here either. Perhaps the US left should be best described as just that, leftists.
Here in the US they are considered a terrorist. Does that mean France will be deemed a terrorist country? /s
Hmmmm, essentially socialist and nationalistic. What could possibly go wrong????
Fair point. While minority they do have a presence.
Across Europe, the anti-EU conservatives appear to have won big.
The party platform has changed under the new leadership. They are anti-EU, anti-Muslim immigration, socially conservative. However, they are "Right-wing populist".
But we educated conservatives know that the NAZI was a liberal/left part, not a conservative/right party.
Hated free enterprise
Cradle-to-grave entitlements from the state
Pro gun control
Pro genetic engineering
Spying on the citizenry
Read Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascists for a detailed study of why the current left wing of the DNC is very closely aligned with the ideology of the NAZIs.
Maligning conservatives with the “NAZI” ad hominem attack was successful even though it was little more than “projection” from the left.
Exactly so. See the two-paragraph quote by Hayek on my FR profile page, it’s the third one time. It is a great summary of the relationship between socialists, communists, fascists, and a liberal of the old school, aka a conservative.
>>Maligning conservatives with the NAZI ad hominem attack was successful even though it was little more than projection from the left.
It went far beyond that. A good chunk of the American Left were supporters of Hitler in the run up to our entry into WWII. After all, they were taking their lead from Stalin and the Communists in the Soviet Union, who were allied with Hitler from pre-war, thru the dismemberment of Poland, until the Germans invaded the USSR in 1941. Then that subset of out Left quickly changed their tune.
Post-WWII, to hide this reality, they started the big lie that the Nazis were somhow “right wing.”
FAR RIGHT NATIONAL FRONT WINS BIG IN FRANCE IN EU ELECTIONS ~ SOCIALISTS WIPED OUT.
Please keep in mind that the FN, the far right of the Le Pen family in France has nothing in common with the right and conservatism in America.
This is, IMO, a protest vote against the failure of the ruling Socialist Party concerning insecurity, immigration and incompetence, a failure to re-institute secure borders, high taxation, and lowered standard of living. France has huge problems, but the Statist, totalitarian, program of the FN does not offer a real solution. It doesnt deal with the underlying structural weakness of the Vème République, and adds to the mix, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalist, xenophobia and anti semitism that brought France to the brink of extinction in WWII.
A major message of this election is that the Left in France is on life support, and dying. How can François Hollande, whose Socialist Party only got 14% of the vote, continue in office until the next election in 2017?