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Far-Right National Front Wins EU Vote in France: exit polls
New York Times ^ | 25 May 2014 | Reuters

Posted on 05/25/2014 11:36:22 AM PDT by docbnj

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Based on exit polls. National Front is called far-right in the media, at the same time they note that it is essentially socialist in policy.
1 posted on 05/25/2014 11:36:22 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: docbnj

...it doesn’t take much to be “far right wing” in 2014.

Hell Marx would probably be a moderate by today’s standards.


2 posted on 05/25/2014 11:41:45 AM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Tzimisce

“Far Right” is simply smear labeling by the Communist media.

You know that.

Its code for “Nazi” which they cant say outright because it would be laughed at.


3 posted on 05/25/2014 11:45:39 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: docbnj

“Based on exit polls. National Front is called far-right in the media, at the same time they note that it is essentially socialist in policy.”

Saw a great chart that compared ideology not to a straight, linear Left-to-Right line, but as a circle. If you go faaaaaarrrrr enough to the right then you wind up back into Socialism. Nazi style.

Same thing if you travel faaaar to the left.

Of course, this is France, so “Socialist” is kind of a given.


4 posted on 05/25/2014 11:46:54 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: Noamie

A circle is exactly what it is like.


5 posted on 05/25/2014 11:49:32 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Noamie

Its neither a line nor a circle.

The fact is, the Nazis were National Socialists (which is what their name means). There was nothing conservative about them. For example, their party anthem, “Die Fahne hoch!“ mentions martyrs killed by the Red front and the Reaction (conservatives). The most enthusiastic segment of the population supporting the Nazis were teachers, roughly those at the equivalent of our high-school level. Think of our own unionized teachers for comparison.

Hitler is dead, but I often think that national socialism is probably the commonest form of government in the world today. Naturally, its practitioners would rather not admit the connection.


6 posted on 05/25/2014 11:57:25 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: docbnj

The Best Enemies Money Can Buy.


7 posted on 05/25/2014 12:11:05 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: docbnj
The fact is, the Nazis were National Socialists (which is what their name means). There was nothing conservative about them.

Thank you. The whole meme of the Nazis as a right wing organization is simply socialist propaganda. It's amazing that you still run into it even here on good old FR.

8 posted on 05/25/2014 12:20:15 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: docbnj

“Far right” means what? Lower taxes and defend your border?

When did the French EVER want that?


9 posted on 05/25/2014 12:25:07 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: InterceptPoint
"The whole meme of the Nazis as a right wing organization is simply socialist propaganda. It's amazing that you still run into it even here on good old FR."

You'd be surprised how many Democrats and other associated Leftists take pride in their socialism when they make a comment about my bumper sticker ...


10 posted on 05/25/2014 12:25:13 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Pachebel --- The original one-hit wonder.)
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To: BlueLancer; InterceptPoint

... they don’t understand what a “National Socialist” is ...


11 posted on 05/25/2014 12:26:17 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Pachebel --- The original one-hit wonder.)
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To: Noamie

Politicalcompass.org has a good paradigm.

Every couple years I take their questionnaire to see if I have drifted.


12 posted on 05/25/2014 12:26:28 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: docbnj

The socialist-right?


13 posted on 05/25/2014 12:28:00 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Noamie

NAZI is not on the right at all, they were competitors for the same supporters as the commies


14 posted on 05/25/2014 12:29:07 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: BlueLancer

Leftists have no idea how stupid they really are


15 posted on 05/25/2014 12:30:30 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: docbnj

I don’t see them holding power over a period of time and i don’t think electing Nazi’s is a good idea but every now and again the establishment needs to be called into account for their actions. Overall its a good thing and it will pass but the conversation in France will shift away from unfettered immigration towards a more sane policy. Let the Germans invite in the entire middle east if they wish. The rest of Europe is shifting away from that.


16 posted on 05/25/2014 12:36:39 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: GeronL

17 posted on 05/25/2014 12:38:59 PM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks docbnj.


18 posted on 05/25/2014 12:44:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: docbnj

“Far right” is anything that gets in the way of Soros’s grand strategies. :)


19 posted on 05/25/2014 12:48:56 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL-GALT-DELETE])
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To: Noamie
Saw a great chart that compared ideology not to a straight, linear Left-to-Right line, but as a circle. If you go faaaaaarrrrr enough to the right then you wind up back into Socialism. Nazi style.

This does not come from reason, but from the simple fact that the Communists labeled anybody who opposed them as "far right". Thus Nazis and Jeffersonians are both "far right".

A more rational spectrum would put those in favor of authoritarian state control on one end (putting Communists, Nazis, and fans of dictatorship in general on the same end), and those wanting minimal government on the other end.

20 posted on 05/25/2014 12:52:58 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Noamie

The Libertarian Party has the worlds smallest political quiz...which is a good way of knowing who you are voting for.


21 posted on 05/25/2014 1:03:22 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: docbnj

Something needed to be done about all the Islamo fascists being let in to take over their country. As it is there are too many muslim nutjobs living there now. They have their work cut out for them. They need to ban muslim teaching to youth to stop it.


22 posted on 05/25/2014 1:20:41 PM PDT by soycd
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To: docbnj

GOODDDDDDDDD! Take that you French socialists!


23 posted on 05/25/2014 1:23:55 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: docbnj

Nigel Farage of UKIP has kept his distance from the FN but the people of France vote for them because of the misery brought upon them by business as usual politicians like people in England vote for UKIP.


24 posted on 05/25/2014 1:54:44 PM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTHCARE= INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: InterceptPoint
The whole meme of the Nazis as a right wing organization is simply socialist propaganda

Conservatives want a small centralized government. Conservatives greatly value individual freedoms, and believe that each person has the right and responsibility to make decisions for himself.

Liberals want a large centralized government, and one that limits individual freedoms ("for the common good"). Liberals do not even see people as individuals, but only as members of some group.

Nazis and Communists believe in none of the conservative ideas, and in all of the liberal ones. Case closed.

25 posted on 05/25/2014 1:59:19 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: docbnj
>> It's neither a line nor a circle.

Agreed.

The Nazis can be found below in the godless area labeled "despots".
            Statism
            
  (despots)    /\    (no comment)
              /  \    
             /    \
 Leftism    /      \ Conservatism
            \      /
             \    /  
 (Liberals)   \  /   (Founding Fathers)
               \/
            
          Libertarianism

26 posted on 05/25/2014 2:18:42 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

Libertarians must have created that one


27 posted on 05/25/2014 2:19:47 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: docbnj

Looks like the French got tired of Francois Hollande’s schemes pretty quickly. Wish American has as much sense with nobama.


28 posted on 05/25/2014 2:32:47 PM PDT by upchuck (Support ABLE, the Anybody But Lindsey Effort. Yes, we are the ABLE!!)
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To: GeronL

True, I did ;)


29 posted on 05/25/2014 2:32:47 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: docbnj

France is fightimg between national socialists and international socialists.

Libertarian nationalism is dead in continental europe.


30 posted on 05/25/2014 2:33:16 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: InterceptPoint

Far right has a different meaning in Europe than it does here. Unfortunately most young people don’t know that.


31 posted on 05/25/2014 2:36:22 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Bogey78O
Libertarian nationalism is dead in continental europe.
Not if you are looking at Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway and Sweden.
32 posted on 05/25/2014 2:40:42 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Leaning Right
It is unfortunate to use the term 'liberal' in a discussion like this. In other countries around the world the term Liberal means something much closer to conservatism and, for many years, that was also true in the US -- until the socialists stole it to hide their socialism (much like homosexuals stole the term 'gay' to hide the sadness in their lives).

I suggest staying with the term 'socialist' as in the other posts.

33 posted on 05/25/2014 3:18:25 PM PDT by expat2
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To: docbnj

Sure. National socialism. Familiar?


34 posted on 05/25/2014 3:27:55 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred
B T T T ! ! ! ©

35 posted on 05/25/2014 3:31:33 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Noamie
This is the true scale below. All totalitarian ideologies go to the left, where lack of government is on the far right.

At the same time, people often confuse socialist terrorism with anarchist activity, which is incorrect. Anarchy is the absence of government where most activity described as being anarchist is actually intent on bringing about a more severe form of totalitarianism.

It's taken the left decades to spread about the false premise of previous spectrums, but a simple chart shreads all their efforts. The simplest explanation of conservatism is a minimalist governing body, which falls on the center of the scale. The beliefs of libertarianism take us towards the far right. Not that I have a problem with that.


36 posted on 05/25/2014 3:33:51 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob

Most anarchists and some Libertopians are actually socialists who want to crash the system and rebuild utopia. To find Libertopian utopia read: Brave New World

You can find the whole thing online


37 posted on 05/25/2014 3:36:10 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: docbnj

Don’t know what to think. UKIP, who I like, won’t have anything to do with them.


38 posted on 05/25/2014 3:57:05 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: expat2
I suggest staying with the term 'socialist' as in the other posts.

I actually thought about that. For as you know, at one time "liberal" had a very non-political meaning; it meant open to new ideas.

But to me, "socialist" doesn't seem to fit quite right here either. Perhaps the US left should be best described as just that, leftists.

39 posted on 05/25/2014 4:08:19 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: docbnj

40 posted on 05/25/2014 4:13:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: docbnj
Far right?

Here in the US they are considered a terrorist. Does that mean France will be deemed a terrorist country? /s

41 posted on 05/25/2014 4:41:54 PM PDT by QT3.14
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Hmmmm, essentially socialist and nationalistic. What could possibly go wrong????


42 posted on 05/25/2014 4:54:09 PM PDT by fatez ("If you're going through Hell, keep going." Winston Churchill)
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To: rmlew

Fair point. While minority they do have a presence.


43 posted on 05/25/2014 5:12:38 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: docbnj
Le Pen is in first place in the posted election results, getting 25 percent of the vote. The center-right UMP of former President Nicolas Sarkozy, had 21 percent. The Socialists (the current French ruling party) are at 13%.

Across Europe, the anti-EU conservatives appear to have won big.

44 posted on 05/25/2014 5:47:22 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: fatez
Hmmmm, essentially socialist and nationalistic. What could possibly go wrong????

The party platform has changed under the new leadership. They are anti-EU, anti-Muslim immigration, socially conservative. However, they are "Right-wing populist".

45 posted on 05/25/2014 5:55:21 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Regulator

But we educated conservatives know that the NAZI was a liberal/left part, not a conservative/right party.

National socialists
Hated free enterprise
Hated religion
Socialist medicine
Cradle-to-grave entitlements from the state
Pro gun control
Pro abortion
Pro euthanasia
Pro genetic engineering
Spying on the citizenry

Read Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascists for a detailed study of why the current left wing of the DNC is very closely aligned with the ideology of the NAZIs.

Maligning conservatives with the “NAZI” ad hominem attack was successful even though it was little more than “projection” from the left.


46 posted on 05/25/2014 6:21:43 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: GeronL

Exactly so. See the two-paragraph quote by Hayek on my FR profile page, it’s the third one time. It is a great summary of the relationship between socialists, communists, fascists, and a liberal of the old school, aka a conservative.


47 posted on 05/25/2014 6:43:16 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

>>Maligning conservatives with the “NAZI” ad hominem attack was successful even though it was little more than “projection” from the left.

It went far beyond that. A good chunk of the American Left were supporters of Hitler in the run up to our entry into WWII. After all, they were taking their lead from Stalin and the Communists in the Soviet Union, who were allied with Hitler from pre-war, thru the dismemberment of Poland, until the Germans invaded the USSR in 1941. Then that subset of out Left quickly changed their tune.

Post-WWII, to hide this reality, they started the big lie that the Nazis were somhow “right wing.”


48 posted on 05/25/2014 6:54:56 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

Bump


49 posted on 05/25/2014 7:39:49 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: docbnj; afraidfortherepublic; mojo114; seenenuf; LucyT; Think free or die; DollyCali; ...
Yes, the results are in.

FAR RIGHT NATIONAL FRONT WINS BIG IN FRANCE IN EU ELECTIONS ~ SOCIALISTS WIPED OUT.

FN 25%

UMP 20.3

PS 14%

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Please keep in mind that the FN, the far right of the Le Pen family in France has nothing in common with the right and conservatism in America.

This is, IMO, a protest vote against the failure of the ruling Socialist Party concerning insecurity, immigration and incompetence, a failure to re-institute secure borders, high taxation, and lowered standard of living. France has huge problems, but the Statist, totalitarian, program of the FN does not offer a real solution. It doesn’t deal with the underlying structural weakness of the Vème République, and adds to the mix, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalist, xenophobia and anti semitism that brought France to the brink of extinction in WWII.

A major message of this election is that the Left in France is on life support, and dying. How can François Hollande, whose Socialist Party only got 14% of the vote, continue in office until the next election in 2017?

50 posted on 05/25/2014 9:38:13 PM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA NO CLINTON ***)
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