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NJ “gun control” law would ban small bore hunting rifles
Hot Air ^ | May 25, 2014 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 05/25/2014 1:23:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Now that it has passed the New Jersey Assembly, a new law intended to restrict the rights of gun owners heads to the desk of Governor Chris Christie. It’s being billed as legislation to “restrict magazine size” in the Garden State.

The New Jersey state Assembly on Thursday sent Governor Chris Christie a gun control bill that would limit the capacity of gun ammunition magazines, but it was unclear whether the Republican governor would sign the measure into law…

The bill, approved in the Assembly by a 44-34 vote, would cut the maximum capacity of gun magazines to 10 from 15.

Gun control groups say it could save lives.

“No law abiding citizen needs 15-round magazines,” said Bryan Miller, executive director of the anti-violence group Heeding God’s Call.

As usual, you have to read the details of the bill to find out precisely how bad it is. (Unless you’re Nancy Pelosi, of course.) Even if you agree with the premise that limiting the magazine capacity of weapons will somehow improve matters – and I don’t – the effect of this bill would be far more reaching. Proponents would have you picturing things like massive, extended, banana shaped magazines protruding from the butt of Dirty Harry size hand cannons or drum shaped, street sweeper shotgun feeds. But the truth of the matter is that such a law would reach far, far deeper into the homes of many law abiding citizens.

The gun ban that has gone to New Jersey Governor Christie for signature has been described as a “gun magazine restriction“, but it bans numerous common sport and hunting rifles. The ban has no exemption for rifles with fixed magazines, including most common .22 rimfire rifles that are used for sport and small game hunting…and almost never used in crimes. Assembly Bill 2006 bans rifles that meet this definition: (4) A semi-automatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding [15] 10 rounds . . .

The bracket and underline show the existing and proposed laws. There are no exemptions for grandfathering. Anyone who possesses such rifles after the ban goes into effect will be guilty of a felony. This has already happened at least once, when the owner of a .22 Marlin that he won at a police raffle was convicted for owning the firearm. The model owned was either the one pictured below a very similar Marlin. It is an “assault weapon” under current New Jersey law, as it has a magazine capacity of 17.

I still fondly remember my very first one. Unlike the Marlin model described above, it was a Remington bolt action .22 long rifle with a bottom feed six round magazine. (You could load it with seven if you filled the magazine and put one in the chamber, but it had an annoying tendency to occasionally jam after the first shot when you did that.) But the Marlin isn’t all that different and my older brother had one. It’s a great first gun for young hunters seeking small game and a reliable target shooting piece.

But for all the fine qualities described above, this is not a rifle which jumps to mind as the weapon of choice for a madman seeking to go on a mass shooting spree or other act of widespread criminal mayhem. To be clear, here.. this is not to say that the Marlin rimfire .22 long rifle isn’t a dangerous weapon. All guns are, and it needs to be treated with the same level of respect and safe handling practices. But with a small bullet, 30 to 40 grain charge and a muzzle velocity of well under 1,400 feet per second, it’s just not a powerful weapon and is really best for small game and target shooting. (And yes, before any of you experts chime in, people can and do take down deer with a .22, but you’ve got to be a really skilled marksman to do it, whereas a .30-30 or a .30-06 is a lot more forgiving and allows for a body shot.)

But back to the subject at hand, allowing this bill to go through is going to outlaw an entire class of weapons which nobody is blaming for widespread, criminal gun violence in the country. Governor Christie should squash this ill considered piece of legislation at once and send a clear message to his opponents. If passed, this will turn into a gun grab of epic proportions, far outside the ostensible stated purpose of the law.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; chrischristie; gopestablishment; guncontrol; gungrabbers; newjersey; rino

1 posted on 05/25/2014 1:23:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wouldn’t it be easier to just ban LIBERALS?

Crissy will be in a bind if he sighs such a law as it will end his presidential hopes.


2 posted on 05/25/2014 1:26:32 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But we're not after your guns. We just want common sense gun control.
3 posted on 05/25/2014 1:26:43 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The closer America gets to being a police state, the more desperate the Nazi gun grabbers are going to get.


4 posted on 05/25/2014 1:28:23 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Veto this monstrosity.

Repeal more gun laws.

Stop giving in to the left.


5 posted on 05/25/2014 1:28:34 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

`gun control’=firearm confiscation


6 posted on 05/25/2014 1:29:20 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: mountainlion

This should've already done it.

7 posted on 05/25/2014 1:30:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“No law abiding citizen needs 15-round magazines,” said Bryan Miller, executive director of the anti-violence group Heeding God’s Call.

Hmmm... tell that to the Founding Fathers who's intent was to have an armed citizenry with the weapon of the time. The statement is like telling someone in 1716 that they were limited to 10 balls and patches and half a flask of powder...

8 posted on 05/25/2014 1:35:11 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rifles are NOT legal for Hunting in the People’s Republic of N.J., N.J.is shotgun only for deer.Unless they changed the Law since I left.

The Marlin .22 Cal.Rifle has a tubular magazine,which lies under the bore tube.The magazine does NOT protrude downward from the rifle.

Just more legisislation to eliminate guns altogether.

N.J.,N.Y.,Chicago,New Orleans,L.A. one cannot carry a firearm for protection...where you REALLY need it...


9 posted on 05/25/2014 1:35:46 PM PDT by skinny old man (Still lurking and posting after all these years(20 yrs ?)(more ?)(seems like more...))
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Liberals have no common sense because it requires a calm and reasoned approach to use common sense. Liberals think with emotion and no reason.


10 posted on 05/25/2014 1:38:04 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: skinny old man

Christy seeking the Nomination for President? Maybe not...


11 posted on 05/25/2014 1:38:12 PM PDT by skinny old man (Still lurking and posting after all these years(20 yrs ?)(more ?)(seems like more...))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So you carry 3 ten round mags instead of 2 that hold fifteen each, still having 30 rounds available. Evidently the fascists that write this type of legislation aren’t smart enough to figure that out.


12 posted on 05/25/2014 1:42:22 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Don't tell me, I'll tell you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

1990 “No law abiding citizen needs 30-round magazines,”
2000 “No law abiding citizen needs 20-round magazines,”
2010 “No law abiding citizen needs 15-round magazines,”
2013 “No law abiding citizen needs 10-round magazines,”

I’m beginning to see a pattern here!

Soon it will be that ““No law abiding citizen needs a 2-round magazine,”


13 posted on 05/25/2014 1:42:55 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What about high capacity BB guns?


14 posted on 05/25/2014 1:45:17 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You have to get a license to own a BB gun or a paint ball gun in NJ. It’s lost. Wall it off!


15 posted on 05/25/2014 1:51:04 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: skinny old man

“N.J.,N.Y.,Chicago,New Orleans,L.A. one cannot carry a firearm for protection...where you REALLY need it...

Which is precisely WHY you need it.

Just sayin’


16 posted on 05/25/2014 1:52:21 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t get how reducing the capacity from 15 to 10 makes a difference in reducing the impact of crimes committed while using a gun (their supposed rationale). One can do quite a bit of damage with 10 rounds. Thus there is no rational reason for it. It is clearly incrementalism. Another trajectory point along their path to zero.


17 posted on 05/25/2014 1:52:55 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: TigersEye

No need. It’ll be on the other side after the national divorce.


18 posted on 05/25/2014 1:53:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

19 posted on 05/25/2014 1:55:21 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: mountainlion

IIRC, all Governor Crisco has to do is let the bill sit on his desk for ninety days then it becomes law w/o his signature so he can claim he never signed it.

New Jersey - where the state bird is the upraised middle finger.


20 posted on 05/25/2014 1:56:58 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have a friend there and I keep telling her to get out while she can. I don’t know if she thinks I’ll come and get her like Snake Pliskin after the SHTF but I’m thinking “probably not!” lol


21 posted on 05/25/2014 1:58:48 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: TigersEye

Good Lord!


22 posted on 05/25/2014 1:59:29 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: plain talk

Do liberals ever consider that knives and baseball bats never have to be reloaded?


23 posted on 05/25/2014 2:00:32 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: elcid1970

What a weasel Crisco is.


24 posted on 05/25/2014 2:01:54 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: TheBattman
“No law abiding citizen needs 15-round magazines,” said Bryan Miller,
executive director of the anti-violence group Heeding God’s Call.

Unless you are being viciously attacked by a Sons Of Barack gang numbering 16 or more,
all of whom are intent on smearing your brains all over the sidewalk.


25 posted on 05/25/2014 2:04:19 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The “fourth estate”has morphed into a 5th column)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Eventually, it will be down to ‘One bullet, and keep it in your shirt pocket’


26 posted on 05/25/2014 2:06:46 PM PDT by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: elcid1970

New Jersey - where the state bird is the upraised middle finger.

I am going to vote for Sarah anyway.


27 posted on 05/25/2014 2:10:07 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

I hope he does sign it. No question about his views then and he will be out of the picture.


28 posted on 05/25/2014 2:11:40 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“No law abiding citizen needs 15-round magazines,” said Bryan Miller, executive director of the anti-violence group Heeding God’s Call.”

They’ll never stop belching that gas, no matter how small magazines go. Here’s hoping people start spitting in their faces.


29 posted on 05/25/2014 2:15:53 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be earned and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: PubliusMM
“N.J.,N.Y.,Chicago,New Orleans,L.A. one cannot carry a firearm for protection...where you REALLY need it...

I agree with your point but you are wrong about New Orleans. CCW is legal in Louisiana.

30 posted on 05/25/2014 2:36:26 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they want to get rid of small bores, they could start with Robert Reich.


31 posted on 05/25/2014 2:47:44 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Jay Carney: The (Benghazi) emails weren't about Benghazi.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

LOL.


32 posted on 05/25/2014 2:53:35 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He should send it back to the legislature with a proposed amendment which provides that security guards, public or private, may not carry firearms of any nature while on duty. Take away armed security for celebs and liberal government elitists and they won’t think its funny anymore.


33 posted on 05/25/2014 3:47:46 PM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: FRiends
As far as the left is concerned, Americans cannot
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34 posted on 05/25/2014 4:30:24 PM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
If they want to get rid of small bores, they could start with Robert Reich.

LOL!!!

35 posted on 05/25/2014 4:39:17 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I agree, no law abiding person should have a magazine with 15+ rounds.

NJ, your police should lead by example. Single shot should do.

36 posted on 05/25/2014 5:25:44 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Why are cops ROE more lenient against us, here in the US, than U.S. military's ROE's in a war zone?)
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To: skinny old man
"Rifles are NOT legal for Hunting in the People's Republic of N.J."

Wrong, 22 rifles are legal for small game.

Deer are NOT the only animals hunted in NJ.

37 posted on 05/25/2014 6:33:01 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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