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Obama pledges to end Afghanistan war at year’s end
Associated Press ^ | May 25, 2014 2:04 PM EDT

Posted on 05/25/2014 7:29:04 PM PDT by Olog-hai

President Barack Obama is promising U.S. forces in Afghanistan that America’s longest war will come to a close at the end of the year.

The president made a surprise visit Sunday to Bagram Air Field to celebrate the Memorial Day holiday weekend with troops.

He says the war is at a pivotal moment, with Afghan forces taking over primary responsibility for the security of their country. …

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; cicobana; exitstrategy; obama; oef; rop; timetable; warofnecessity
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To: Olog-hai

And we are winning now? We went into Afghanistan because it was the stronghold of Al-Qaeda, the Al-Qaeda that brought down the Twin Towers. Our original goal was to punish the taliban/ Al-Qaeda (not to win a war) for killing 3000 Americans.

By the way, carpet bombing of German cities help win WWII.


21 posted on 05/25/2014 7:58:05 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019
Well if your goal is not to win a war, you won’t win it; simple as that. Sun Tzu had something to say about that too:
In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns.
The Art Of War 2:19
We already have had these foes declare war on us. If they are not beaten, they will not stop. There was no need to make the war protracted, since we already knew who the enemy was and is.
22 posted on 05/25/2014 8:04:04 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: doc1019

FTR, we did have boots on the ground in Germany in addition to the carpet bombing, which did not prevent the need for the aforementioned boots.


23 posted on 05/25/2014 8:05:03 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

“when faced with a choice between war and dishonor, when one chooses dishonor then the result will still be war. “

War is more likely today than during the Cold War for the very reason you quoted.


24 posted on 05/25/2014 8:05:46 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

Indeed. Meanwhile the princes and princesses in DC refuse to see it.


25 posted on 05/25/2014 8:08:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The aforementioned boots came after the carpet bombing made life for the aforementioned boots on the ground a little easier.

Our original goal in Afghanistan was punishment not conquest.


26 posted on 05/25/2014 8:11:30 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019

Then we had no goal in Afghanistan.


27 posted on 05/25/2014 8:20:37 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Except punishment for an atrocity committed on innocent American citizens.


28 posted on 05/25/2014 8:22:55 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019
That’s not a suitable rebuttal of an act of war.
If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it. If we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war.
— George Washington
Fighting wars piecemeal has not worked since it was first tried after the end of WWII.
29 posted on 05/25/2014 8:29:06 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Enough, enough ... your circle logic is like calling Microsoft for help, round and round we go until you find yourself in a loop, and inescapable loop.

It is obvious we will never agree, nor will we change each others thoughts on the subject.

Nonetheless ... great discussion.

Have a great day. LOL!


30 posted on 05/25/2014 8:36:33 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Olog-hai
In that case, why not just leave now?

The result will be the same.

31 posted on 05/25/2014 8:41:30 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Olog-hai
Excellent quotes - another of my favorites on the same vein...

"Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster."
~William T. Sherman

32 posted on 05/25/2014 8:46:41 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

What, war on our soil?

Ultimately, we’ll have saved no money and lost more honor.

See how Obama’s manipulating us into agreeing to his agenda?


33 posted on 05/25/2014 8:47:00 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: doc1019

I wouldn’t compare the Founding Fathers to Microsoft. Now the recent crop of US leaders, absolutely.


34 posted on 05/25/2014 8:47:55 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
I wouldn’t compare the Founding Fathers to Microsoft.

Didn't realize I had made that comparison?

35 posted on 05/25/2014 8:51:02 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Joe 6-pack

That’s another one to remember. Certainly none of the jihadis are expecting to fight their war easily or safely, on their part never mind ours.


36 posted on 05/25/2014 8:51:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: doc1019

You didn’t; I just held that up as an example of how not all of the US leaders are equal.

BTW, Washington didn’t fight the War of Independence with the abominable rules of engagement our boys are currently saddled with.


37 posted on 05/25/2014 8:53:05 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

AMEN!

The restrictive ROE did a lot to kill us in VN.


38 posted on 05/25/2014 8:57:11 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Olog-hai

So much for waiting for the new guy, Karzai’s replacement, whoever that is. I guess minds were already made up before the election.


39 posted on 05/25/2014 9:04:42 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Seaplaner
Timing? November elections...those are in November Years' End...typically Late December. They will campaign on this as though it were somehow a victory. (Think..."al queda is on the run" for talking pointal equivalence, here) After we bug out? One suspects, and fears, that Afghanistan might experience the very reciprocal of victory.

If I were a bank robber and the police said that effective January 1 2015 we would disband the police force, I think I would rob the bank January 2, 2015.

PS
We won the war in Vietnam on the battlefield. We lost the Vietnam War in Washington DC courtesy of the Democrat Party. Nothing has changed. .

40 posted on 05/25/2014 10:18:29 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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