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Rand Paul: It's a 'misnomer' to say McConnell isn't conservative
Channel3000.com ^ | May 23 2014 03:52:06 PM CDT | Ashley Killough

Posted on 05/25/2014 10:07:19 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

Rand Paul is defending his relationship with Mitch McConnell after helping his fellow Kentuckian defeat a tea party-backed challenger in a GOP Senate primary.

"I came out of the tea party movement. I'm very concerned about the debt. I'm very concerned about big government," Paul said on Friday. "But I think the misnomer is to think somehow Senator McConnell isn't. That's what his whole entire career has been predicated upon - fighting against big government."

The comments by Paul, the state's junior senator, came at a news conference with McConnell in Louisville that was focused on building party unity following a bruising campaign in which the minority leader's opponent, Matt Bevin, got 35 percent of the primary vote.

Some in the conservative grassroots movement immediately called for Republican voters to unite and support McConnell.

But Bevin has been noticeably quiet and hasn't said whether he'll back his rival--though he flatly stated on election night that he won't back the Democratic nominee.

That's not stopping Alison Lundergan Grimes, however. She's actively going after Bevin supporters. In an open letter Friday to the 40 percent of Republican voters who didn't vote for McConnell, she argued that a vote for Grimes is a vote for change.

"Yes, we are in different parties, and we have divergent views on some issues. But if you believe that we need a fresh face to shake up Washington, I invite you to join our campaign," the letter stated.

Bevin hit back later Friday with his own letter, saying she doesn't understand "the principles that united my campaign's supporters" and disparaged her stance on a number of items on her agenda.

He agreed with her that Kentucky needs change, but not her kind of change. He made no direct mention of McConnell in the letter.

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1 posted on 05/25/2014 10:07:20 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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2 posted on 05/25/2014 10:15:37 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: SoConPubbie

In the words of the beloved Ronald Reagan,

There you go again Rand.


3 posted on 05/25/2014 10:16:18 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand Paul, once again taking liberties with the truth!


4 posted on 05/25/2014 10:16:50 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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March, 2013--"Rand Paul endorses Mitch McConnell in 2014 Senate race, won’t back tea party challenge"

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5 posted on 05/25/2014 10:18:08 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: SoConPubbie

A severe conservative no less, I would imagine.


6 posted on 05/25/2014 10:22:46 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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Wishful thinking; though, I’m sure McConnell has at one point demonstrated conservatism — not that I’m going to hunt down that moment and cite it.


7 posted on 05/25/2014 10:23:08 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: SoConPubbie

McConnell obviously very popular with KY republicans. His Tea Party opponent lost big in KY.

Looks to me like McConnell will defeat the hard lefty Grimes in general.

Rand Paul defeated the GOPe backed candidate in his primary.
We can use all the GOP senators we can get.

The real enemy is Harry Reid as SML. He has blocked every conservative bill passed by the House. Hw won’t even allow debate!


8 posted on 05/25/2014 10:28:59 PM PDT by entropy12 (Harry Reid will not allow debate on any good bills passed by House. GOP needs 51 senators in 2014!)
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To: entropy12
Rand Paul defeated the GOPe backed candidate in his primary.

Rand Paul is no longer Tea-Party.

He backed the GOP-E candidate McConnell over the Tea-Party Bevin.

He came out with his own Amnesty Plan.

He has decided that the Social Issues are not all that important to him.

He is no longer Tea-Party, he is GOP-E, in fact, he is a traitor to the Tea-Party and to conservatives every where.

Now, Libertarians probably still love him, but tried-and-true conservatives do not.
9 posted on 05/25/2014 10:38:27 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: entropy12
The real enemy is Harry Reid as SML. He has blocked every conservative bill passed by the House. Hw won’t even allow debate!

No, you are incorrect.

From the conservative perspective, the Democrats and the GOP-E are the enemy.
10 posted on 05/25/2014 10:39:34 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: entropy12

McConnell is a machine politician incumbent with total control of the GOP at the state level.

He is roundly hated in this commonwealth except by party hacks and those beholden to the Chamber of Commerce.

McConnell will be defeated by Grimes in November.

We Conservatives are not going to vote for someone who declared war on us and vowed to crush us wherever he found us. We will write in a candidate or vote 3rd party or sit home.

This seat is Grimes’ to lose.


11 posted on 05/25/2014 10:48:47 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: SoConPubbie

That is not a logical viewpoint. And not practical. And not good for my pocketbook or anyone with income.


12 posted on 05/25/2014 10:49:10 PM PDT by entropy12 (Harry Reid will not allow debate on any good bills passed by House. GOP needs 51 senators in 2014!)
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To: INVAR

I am willing to bet McConnell defeats the hard lefty Grimes in general. He did not win so many times before by being a loser or a sissy. He is tough opponent as the results of primary just demonstrated.

He is good 80% of times in senate votes. That is enough for me. I can live with that over Grimes who will be 90% against my agenda.


13 posted on 05/25/2014 10:54:59 PM PDT by entropy12 (Harry Reid will not allow debate on any good bills passed by House. GOP needs 51 senators in 2014!)
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To: entropy12

Sure the GOPe is an enemy to conservatives and Reagan republicans.


14 posted on 05/25/2014 10:56:28 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: entropy12

The almost 30 year incumbent, McConnell was not facing a difficult challenge in the primary, don’t pretend that he was.


15 posted on 05/25/2014 10:58:52 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: SoConPubbie

They don’t live on the same planet as the rest of us


16 posted on 05/25/2014 11:00:21 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: ansel12

I have you on ignore.


17 posted on 05/25/2014 11:01:10 PM PDT by entropy12 (Harry Reid will not allow debate on any good bills passed by House. GOP needs 51 senators in 2014!)
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To: SoConPubbie

This acorn didn’t fall far from the tree.

The most he yaps, the worse he gets.


18 posted on 05/25/2014 11:01:39 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: entropy12

I think a lot of Bevin supporters have zero inclination to vote for Mitch


19 posted on 05/25/2014 11:01:55 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: entropy12

McConnell won his last General election by LESS THAN 6% .

Look at the total of those who voted Democrat in the Primary vs the GOP.

McConnell loses this seat - unless the General election is like many others run by machine operations.

McConnell works behind the scenes to undermine Conservatives and hand the Democrats what they want and votes against them for appearances sake.

McConnell will not attack Grimes or trash Democrats like he does Conservatives. Hell, he declared WAR on us - or weren’t you paying attention?

Oh that’s right - your pocketbook is more important to you than principles.


20 posted on 05/25/2014 11:01:56 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Besides, he promised me all kinds of campaign money from the fat cats and a committee chairmanship if I play along. What do you peasants know, anyhow?”


21 posted on 05/25/2014 11:03:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: entropy12

His real enemy is Harry Reid??

He declared war on the TEA Party and says if he becomes majority leader he will basically share power with the democrats.


22 posted on 05/25/2014 11:04:13 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: entropy12

Too bad that doesn’t work here, readers can see how shallow your position is when you can’t answer the challenges we post to your nonsense.

For instance, being a site of conservatives and Reagan Republicans that despises the GOPe, they notice things like this.

“”Sure the GOPe is an enemy to conservatives and Reagan republicans.””.


23 posted on 05/25/2014 11:05:09 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: SoConPubbie

People forget that Rand Paul was an enthusiastic and fully committed supporter and campaigner for Mitt Romney.


24 posted on 05/25/2014 11:07:53 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: INVAR

Like I said, I fear Grimes more than McConnell.
She will be lot harder on my pocketbook, not to mention
open business for abortions on demand.

My heart weeps for the babies being butchered by abortionists well after those babies are grown enough to feel the same amount of as any living human being.

No way I am going to do anything to help Grimes.


25 posted on 05/25/2014 11:12:24 PM PDT by entropy12 (Harry Reid will not allow debate on any good bills passed by House. GOP needs 51 senators in 2014!)
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To: GeronL

Come on GERONL, that is a bit of a stretch, really.

Please read:——

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/harry-reid-mitch-mcconnell-filibuster-change-105593.html

Facts are inconvenient sometimes.


26 posted on 05/25/2014 11:17:22 PM PDT by entropy12 (Harry Reid will not allow debate on any good bills passed by House. GOP needs 51 senators in 2014!)
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To: entropy12

Better the enemy we know and see than the traitor in our midst that works to undermine us and shoot us from behind.

Grimes has not declare war on Conservatives and vow to ‘crush us everywhere they find us’. McConnell HAS, and very publicly.

Principles are more valued to me than my stupid pocketbook. But apparently that is the limit for most in the GOP which helps go to explain why McConnell wins over a challenger.


27 posted on 05/25/2014 11:18:34 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

Grimes will reveal the inscriptions on her chest day after she has gained power. Why would she do that before election? She may be a hard lefty but she is not stupid.

I do not trust ANY rat as far as I can throw them. Not a single one! I hate their abortion agenda, their love for higher taxes, and their love to make more and more dependents on gov’t dole.


28 posted on 05/25/2014 11:26:25 PM PDT by entropy12 (Harry Reid will not allow debate on any good bills passed by House. GOP needs 51 senators in 2014!)
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To: SoConPubbie

I think this is just a manifestation that Rand Paul is going to make a run for the GOP nomination for 2016.

He’s walking that line on the tops of the fence posts in trying to maintain some semblance of Tea Party yet nuzzle the GOPe Powerati at the same time.

He’ll never get my vote.


29 posted on 05/25/2014 11:46:32 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: entropy12

I HATE McConnell, but I sincerely hope the good folks of Kentucky HATE
any DEM more!!!!! I fear our loss of the senate again due to our own side
trying to prove some point!!!! I hope our side has more sense than what happened to Mitt due to our own side, regardless of MUSHY MITT, he
would have been far better than the Marxist we have now!!!! At least he
has leadership skills he definitely was NOT conservative enough but
he also WAS NOT A MARXIST!!!!


30 posted on 05/25/2014 11:50:06 PM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: entropy12

I guess Rand Paul’s leaving the pro-life column as he shifts to “exceptions” and no new laws bothers you, since you keep bringing up your passion on abortion?


31 posted on 05/25/2014 11:53:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Kit cat

You are talking like a sensible and mature adult!

What does a naughty kid do when he doe not get everything he wants? Enuff said.


32 posted on 05/26/2014 12:08:25 AM PDT by entropy12 (Harry Reid will not allow debate on any good bills passed by House. GOP needs 51 senators in 2014!)
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To: entropy12

I don’t trust the GOP leadership as far as you can throw them either. Not a single one!

I hate their status quo agenda, pretending to be Conservative while actually helping the ‘rats further and entrench their MarxoFascist agenda by warring on Conservatives. I hate their drunken sailor spending which is almost on pace with the ‘rats and their complete surrender to the Leftists.

Better an enemy in the seat that we know than a traitor from within who openly declared war on Conservatives and vowed to “crush us everywhere they find us”.


33 posted on 05/26/2014 12:13:59 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ansel12

ansell2, I think you are a civil person, but you are still on ignore because you make no logical sense.


34 posted on 05/26/2014 12:14:05 AM PDT by entropy12 (Harry Reid will not allow debate on any good bills passed by House. GOP needs 51 senators in 2014!)
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To: entropy12

What doesn’t make logical sense to you, do we get a clue?


35 posted on 05/26/2014 12:15:34 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Kit cat

The loss of the KY seat to Grimes will have been totally McConnell’s own doing.

HE is the one who publicly declared war on Conservatives and vowed to ‘crush them wherever they find them”.

Any Conservative who votes for McConnell is an idiot and apparently has battered wife syndrome.


36 posted on 05/26/2014 12:18:24 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

I can understand your feelings. But if you dig down far enough you will discover that Harry Reid as SML is far more harmful to the conservative agenda than McConnell in senate.

Personally I think McConnell is a politician first and conservative second. But he is no where as harmful as Reid.


37 posted on 05/26/2014 12:18:29 AM PDT by entropy12 (Harry Reid will not allow debate on any good bills passed by House. GOP needs 51 senators in 2014!)
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To: entropy12

You think that when seeing your repeated mentions of being passionately pro-life on a Paul thread and your support for him, that it isn’t logical to ask you if you are bothered by his dropping the pro-life position and disagreeing with the GOP pro-life platform?

I realize that I’m talking to an immature person who keeps telling us that he puts his fingers in his ears and pretends he can’t see someone posting to him on a public forum, but can you explain what is illogical about my post?


38 posted on 05/26/2014 12:20:33 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

The other option was enthusiastic and fully committed supporter and campaigner for Barack Obama... Who else would he have supported?


39 posted on 05/26/2014 12:20:50 AM PDT by Hambone02
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To: Kit cat

I agree and I hope we don’t lose the senate because of someone trying to prove a point. Such as the gopE trying to prove a point that they can slander conservatives, call us wacko birds and say they’re going to destroy us but still get our votes. A point they’ve already made is they can run as tea partiers then fall in line with the establishment as soon as they’re sworn in.


40 posted on 05/26/2014 12:23:25 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Hambone02

No, the other option was to do what a conservative would do, and not endorse him, and surely not campaign for him.

Politicians do not have to endorse and campaign for candidates, they can just remain quiet.


41 posted on 05/26/2014 12:23:36 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: entropy12

The Ruling Class of the GOP is FAR more harmful to the Conservative agenda and cause than Harry Reid could ever dream of being.

PRETENDING to be Conservative and then sabotaging the agenda itself as Minority leader and then PUBLICLY DECLARING WAR on Conservatives was far more destructive to our cause than by anything the Democrats themselves have ever done.

If you cannot understand that, then you are lost to hackdom and party loyalty over principles, which consigns Conservatism to irrelevance in the GOP.

Which is why many of us now vote 3rd Party or write in Conservatives instead of voting for a Republican.

McConnell wanted a war with Conservatives, well, he got one. It’s pure STUPIDITY to reward that abuse with a vote, REGARDLESS of the stooge in the wings for the seat.


42 posted on 05/26/2014 12:25:55 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: SoConPubbie

Agree.


43 posted on 05/26/2014 12:28:49 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: onyx

How quickly the stench of DC infects anyone who works there.


44 posted on 05/26/2014 12:29:10 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: ansel12

Hitting the “like” button on this.


45 posted on 05/26/2014 12:30:13 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: entropy12

So you whore our your vote for what you view is good for your pocket change?


46 posted on 05/26/2014 12:31:07 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: INVAR

You post truth... thank you.


47 posted on 05/26/2014 12:34:01 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: ansel12

good night.


48 posted on 05/26/2014 12:49:11 AM PDT by entropy12 (Harry Reid will not allow debate on any good bills passed by House. GOP needs 51 senators in 2014!)
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To: entropy12

Good night troll.

Getting on FR just to post anti-conservatism and refusing to engage with the conservatives here, is just trolling.


49 posted on 05/26/2014 12:55:25 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: entropy12

It also reveals you are lying when you try to use fake pro-life passion as a cover for your aggressive anti conservative posting, and then grow silent when it is pointed out that your candidate is promoting a pro-abortion position.

CNN:
BLITZER: So, just to be precise, if you believe life begins at conception, which I suspect you do believe that, you would have no exceptions for rape, incest, the life of the mother, is that right?

PAUL: Well, I think that once again puts things in too small of a box. What I would say is that there are thousands of exceptions. You know, I’m a physician and every individual case is going to be different, and everything is going to be particular to that individual case and what’s going on with that mother and the medical circumstances of that mother.

I would say that after birth, you know, we’ve decided that when life begins, we have decided that we don’t have exceptions for one- day-old or six-month-olds. We don’t ask where they came from or how they came into being, but it is more complicated because the rest of it depends on the definition of when life comes in. So, I don’t think it’s a simple as checking box and saying exceptions or no exceptions.

And there are a lot of decisions that are made privately by families and their doctors that really won’t — the law won’t apply to, but I think it’s important that we not be flippant one way or the other and pigeon hole and say, oh, this person doesn’t believe in any sort of discussion between family. And so, I don’t know if there’s a simple way to put me in a category on any of that.

BLITZER: Well, it sounds like you believe in some exceptions.

PAUL: Well, there’s going to be, like I say, thousands of extraneous situations where the life of the mother is involved and other things that are involved.

So, I would say that each individual case would have to be addressed and even if there were eventually a change in the law, let’s say, the people came more to my way of thinking, it’s still be a lot of complicated things that the law may not ultimately be able to address in the early stages of pregnancy that would have to be part of what occurs between the physician and the woman and the family.

This goes for the same with the end of life.


50 posted on 05/26/2014 1:00:11 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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