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Why you can't fix stupid:Republicans Say They'd Restore Filibuster If in Power
breitbart ^ | 5/26/14 | k ppickett

Posted on 05/26/2014 6:00:09 AM PDT by bestintxas

The Democrats’ majority in the Senate is on the line this election season, and if Republicans take back control, the GOP will need to decide on new rules for the new Congress in the upper chamber. Some Republican members are willing to go back to way things were before Harry Reid took the gavel.

In the wake of the recent controversial nomination of Judge David Barron, author of the memo which gave a legal basis to kill Americans abroad with drones, to the first U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, Republicans became apoplectic after getting word that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid threatened to change the filibuster rules on federal nominees again to make the process favor the majority further. Don Stewart, spokesman for Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, told Breitbart News on Wednesday that McConnell has already made it clear that, should the Republicans take back the Senate, decisions on rules will be made among conference members.

Senator Rand Paul (R-KY), known for his 13-hour filibuster last March against CIA Director John Brennan, filibustered Barron on Wednesday, but as a result of Reid’s recent

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The GOP establishment strikes again.

No wonder why libs laugh at the idiots who run the GOP

1 posted on 05/26/2014 6:00:09 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

Fools. Will they do this as they are “reaching across the aisle” to the degenerate LIBs or before? Haven’t these GOPe losers learned anything? Apparently not.


2 posted on 05/26/2014 6:04:25 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: bestintxas

The Democrats decided to change the rules. If they lose the Senate, then they need to live with the consequences of the other party using the same simple majority to ram things through.


3 posted on 05/26/2014 6:04:27 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et)
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To: bestintxas

“F” troop strikes again. It would be proper to win the Senate first, of course. It would also be proper to show the Dems what a Senate, without ANY filibuster, looks like and feels like.


4 posted on 05/26/2014 6:04:36 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Global Warming is caused by illegal immigrants!)
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To: bestintxas

Republicans don’t want to make changes. Republican Party MO is to do nothing, complain and blame the other guys.


5 posted on 05/26/2014 6:05:45 AM PDT by caltaxed
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To: bestintxas
These damn fools. You don't show your best cards to the biggest cheats at the table, and after they've already stacked the deck.
6 posted on 05/26/2014 6:07:09 AM PDT by Viking2002 (Liberals - destroyers of both men and civilizations. The Fourth Turning Cometh.)
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To: bestintxas

GOP waxing nostalgic and stupid once again as always —


7 posted on 05/26/2014 6:09:01 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: bestintxas

Is it really so surprising? We have people right here on FR every single day that demand that we march to the polls come November and elect the very people that would do this.

“Those” people in DC only can do the things they do to destroy America because of the people here and sites everywhere giving them the power to do it. So in fact, we DO have the government we very much deserve. No, not conservatives, but everyone else. Simple math folks. If you willfully vote for closeted Democrats, expect them to come out of that closet when it hurts you most.


8 posted on 05/26/2014 6:10:42 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: bestintxas

Actually, it’s probably because the eGOP’s know that if the RATs lose control in the November elections they will reinstate the Filibuster before they have to give up control of the Senate in January.


9 posted on 05/26/2014 6:11:07 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: bestintxas

I made this point before, I’ll make it again. If Obama is in power, and the Republicans run the Senate (or if they don’t), I LIKE THE FILIBUSTER, as it forces at least some conservative Republicans to support anything or anyone going through the Senate.

In other words, with a filibuster, 41 votes can block one of Obama nut-jobs from getting a cabinet post, or getting on a court - without the filibuster 51 votes are needed to block. 41 votes means that all of the RINOs can side with the Democrats, and yet still NOTHING gets through if the conservatives hold together, and that includes gun control, global warming, nothing.

When, and if, a Republican becomes president, then we should end the filibuster, for sure.


10 posted on 05/26/2014 6:12:10 AM PDT by BobL
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To: bestintxas

I challenge ANYONE to coherently explain to us all why both the parties (establishment) are not just one in the same. The ONLY solution is now to go third.

As Admiral Farragut proclaimed upon entering Mobile Bay; “Damn the torpedoes!” said Farragut, “Four bells. Captain Drayton, go ahead! Jouett, full speed!”

In jolly ole England, the PKIP just proved that principles win over party.


11 posted on 05/26/2014 6:12:17 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: bestintxas
Oh, swell, just like the way Trent Lott fell all over himself in his eagerness to ‘share’ power with Tom Daschle.

The GOP-E has never learned that there is no education in the second kick of the rat donkey.

12 posted on 05/26/2014 6:15:47 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: bestintxas
Reid’s power grab “has turned the Senate into the House.”

Nonsense. That was accomplished 101 years ago. Popularly elected, six year reps mean 5.5 years of unaccountability.

But hey, just keep voting like always. That'll change everything. The return of republican freedom is just around the corner.

13 posted on 05/26/2014 6:16:46 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: mazda77
We're told to vote pubbie because a victory by the rats in 2014 and The Hildebeast in 2016 means the end of America.

Well, to put those amoral leftists back in power would indeed be the end.

If our very freedom and property depends on the outcome of an election or two, do we live in a constitutional republic?

14 posted on 05/26/2014 6:22:15 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: BobL

I’d let the Dems suffer for at least the first term of a Republican presidency. THEN go back to the way it was.


15 posted on 05/26/2014 6:24:10 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: bestintxas
IF [big IF] the GOP does win the Senate, they should leave the Dem changes in place -- and force the Dems to live under the changes.

IF [bigger IF] McConnell thinks changing the rules back to the pre-Dem era will endear him to the Dems, he is delusional.


16 posted on 05/26/2014 6:26:23 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: bestintxas

Bring it back as long as Obama is in the White house. They can stop nutty judges easier. Get rid of it again if a Republican wins in 2016.


17 posted on 05/26/2014 6:27:02 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: bestintxas
No wonder why libs laugh at the idiots who run the GOP

Fixed it!

18 posted on 05/26/2014 6:28:18 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: bestintxas
No wonder why libs laugh at the idiots who run the GOP

They are not idiots! They are traitors!

It's not that they are fools. It's that they understand that their job is to maintain just the pretense that there is any opposition to socialism. They are playing a role, pretending to "fight for the conservative cause", while selling it out whenever their true masters tell them to "take a dive".

For the most part, the apparent "conflicts" in Congress have as much reality as a scripted pro-wrestling battle.

19 posted on 05/26/2014 6:28:22 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: bestintxas
Illustration of the central thesis:
1) $100 falls into your hands.
2) If you haven't eaten in 3 days, you would trade the $100 for an egg sandwich.
3) You eat OK, but you need gas in the car to get to work, So you spend some right away and hold on tight to the rest for expenses tomorrow.
4) If you already had $100, you might think about buying a frying pan and some eggs and a loaf of bread and selling egg sandwiches to scoop up some of those loose $100 bills.
If you can meet your basic needs, you can INVEST to make more. The big problem today is that lots of people mistakenly think internet access is a "human right", a basic need.
INVESTORS make the world a better place by making frying pans and eggs widely available, at affordable prices for any person to go into business for themselves.
INVESTORS ("The Evil Rich") make the modern world possible. Get the government out of the way and you'll see more of 'em.
20 posted on 05/26/2014 6:29:19 AM PDT by Macoozie (1) Win the Senate 2) Repeal Obamacare 3) Impeach Roberts)
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To: TomGuy
McConnell IS delusional!
21 posted on 05/26/2014 6:29:59 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Norm Lenhart

Ye ole Vote for the same; expect a different result ideology.

It never works, but they keep doing it.
22 posted on 05/26/2014 6:30:20 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: bestintxas; All

Note to all:

I suggest you attend a few of your local county GOP meetings, as I have. (And be prepared!)


23 posted on 05/26/2014 6:34:34 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (The democRATic party preys on the ignorant..!)
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To: bestintxas

Absolute fools to do so . . . unless and until they reverse every damned thing done to our country by these anti-American fools in the Dummycrat Party.

But, being the “Real Stupid Party”, they’d bring back the filibuster and get it jammed up their sorry butts.


24 posted on 05/26/2014 6:37:49 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Blue Highway

“I’d let the Dems suffer for at least the first term of a Republican presidency. THEN go back to the way it was.”

Not I, the filibuster would be toast once the stars aligned and we had a conservative president with a Republican Senate.

(I’m not sure where I’d stand with the filibuster if Christie was president...we might need it to stop him on guns and amnesty)


25 posted on 05/26/2014 6:38:37 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Viking2002
These damn fools. You don't show your best cards to the biggest cheats at the table, and after they've already stacked the deck.

Well said.

If the Republicans do take back the senate, they should immediately announce that they are keeping the "Harry Reid Rule" in place. They should refer to it exactly that way - the "Harry Reid Rule." By doing so, when the whining starts among Democrats, everyone will know that the Republicans are simply continuing what Harry Reid started.

26 posted on 05/26/2014 6:47:24 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: bestintxas

I actually think the Republicans can stand on principle (restoring the traditional filibuster rule) *and* use their power to their advantage - all they need say is that they will restore the traditional rule only when every office holder who has been given their position in violation of that rule has been removed - whether it’s by resignation, retirement, death or whatever.

If the Democrats want the old rule back, let them figure out how to clear out the hacks they put in judgeships and the like. And it they can’t, the Republicans can use the simple majority approach when it really counts - like a really controversial circuit court appointment, or maybe even the Supreme Court.


27 posted on 05/26/2014 6:48:42 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: BobL
Well I am assuming if we win back the presidency, it wouldn't be someone like a RINO like Christie who we'd have to be worried about, but a true conservative. If Palin was in there she'd make the Rats bleed a little for the damage they have done.

I can't believe I agree with Orrin Hatch on this, but I am guessing he is shifting more conservative for his own political preservation now.

28 posted on 05/26/2014 6:51:04 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: bestintxas

It should be restored after a few years, at least let the Dims suffer for that long.


29 posted on 05/26/2014 6:52:53 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: logic101.net

I agree with your logic on this one!


30 posted on 05/26/2014 6:55:13 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Which is great...IF you walk in there to immediately/at first opportunity dethrone their leadership and establish your own rule. Otherwise you are wasting your effort. Because you will be quickly subjected to Saul 101.

It is the classic “If you intend to kill the King” scenario.


31 posted on 05/26/2014 6:56:09 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: bestintxas

While I have always been a believer in the complete elimination of the filibuster for everything, this is just about as stupid as one can be.


32 posted on 05/26/2014 6:56:09 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: bestintxas

Proof the Paul is a stealth establishment guy...


33 posted on 05/26/2014 7:08:35 AM PDT by Breto (Stranger in a strange land... where did America go?)
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To: BobL

All this proves is the republicans want the chairs but not the responsibility. With the possibility of a conservative president the establishment wants, I repeat, wants, to stop any originalist from getting on the courts so they will use the democrats to do it for them...


34 posted on 05/26/2014 7:13:06 AM PDT by Breto (Stranger in a strange land... where did America go?)
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To: bestintxas

Really gives me a more complete picture of Rand Paul. Our new Newt Gingrich.


35 posted on 05/26/2014 7:16:10 AM PDT by matthew fuller (No, I don't miss GWB- I miss Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld.)
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To: bestintxas

We should restore constitutional government, and undo the dreadful damage of the past six years, as the liberals put it “by any means necessary”. After that, we can talk about the rules.


36 posted on 05/26/2014 7:35:49 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: bestintxas
Other Feepers have used this analogy in the past, but it bears repeating:

Think of the Republicans as Charlie Brown, waiting to run up and kick the football, and the Democrats as Lucy, holding the football and saying "don't worry Charlie Brown, I won't pull the football away this time!"

37 posted on 05/26/2014 7:42:47 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: bestintxas

The democrats will restore it in December before they lose their majority in January.


38 posted on 05/26/2014 7:55:12 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: TomGuy

Leave the Rats’ Senate rules changes in place until all the damage they’ve caused is undone/reversed, then restore the ‘old rules’.


39 posted on 05/26/2014 8:03:42 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: bestintxas

Every damned time the Democrats are in charge they cheat; and every damned time the Republicans are in charge, they change the rules back so it is more “fair”.

Apparently they really are that stupid.

Or, we should consider, maybe they know *exactly* what they are doing. That is, the RINOs that support this are liberal Republicans. As such, they support the Democrat agenda more than anything the conservatives propose.

They put these rules in place to *stop* conservatives. By having these rules, they make it easy for the RINOs and Democrats to “murder conservative ideas in the crib.”

Which is *exactly* what McConnell, McCain, and Graham want to do. BECAUSE THEY ARE LIBERALS.

And this is *exactly* why one of the most important things for the conservative senators to do is *NOT* make McConnell the majority leader again. Back bench his sorry ass, and tell him, McCain and Graham (if Graham is still there), to put a sock in it.


40 posted on 05/26/2014 8:04:08 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: caltaxed

They do nothing while promising to fix it all if they just gain some more seats in the future. That really worked well under GWB...


41 posted on 05/26/2014 8:04:37 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: bestintxas

If the idea is to block Obama’s radical appointees the the Republicans should return to the 60 vote cloture standard. If the R’s have a 51-49 majority all it takes is one cowardly Republican RINO to vote for a nominee and then Biden breaks the tie. I would rather take my chances the D’s cannot but off 10 votes than one.


42 posted on 05/26/2014 8:15:03 AM PDT by georgiarat (Obama, providing incompetence since Day One!!)
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To: bestintxas

I think they should restore it... after using the first 2 or 3 years of power to undo a lot of the damage the Dems did and ram through an appropriate number of appointments. Then, after due consideration...


43 posted on 05/26/2014 8:15:52 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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44 posted on 05/26/2014 8:16:57 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: JPG
The GOP-E has never learned that there is no education in the second kick of the rat donkey

You still believe they don't share the same goals?

45 posted on 05/26/2014 8:19:00 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: bestintxas
That almost always happens.
46 posted on 05/26/2014 8:26:05 AM PDT by mykroar (We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again. - Nathanael Greene)
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- You still believe they don't share the same goals?-

Point taken; the line between the two does grow thinner.

47 posted on 05/26/2014 8:43:27 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: bestintxas

When people do things that are inexplicable, I always assume someone has a file on them complete with photos and audits. They are allowed to continue on with their careers as a conservative, say whatever they want to say on Fox, but watch them twist and turn and do triple-axels to explain how selling you out is really true conservatism.

They preserve their “conservative” rating by always voting conservative when the vote isn’t close. But when their vote matters, you’ll see them start the tap-dancing. Guys like this are never with you when it matters but they have mastered the machine, and are owned by it. They have other allegiances.


48 posted on 05/26/2014 8:43:54 AM PDT by marron
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To: bestintxas

Harry Reid made this mess, now when the GOP takes the Senate let them live with it


49 posted on 05/26/2014 8:46:20 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: bestintxas
Same thing with term limits: Republicans pass term limits, which then kicks out Republicans in two terms, who are then replaced by Democrats that remove term limits.

Republicans just don't think. It's all guess work with them.

50 posted on 05/26/2014 8:46:41 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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