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Chart of the Week: Is food too cheap for our own good?
Pew Research Center ^ | 5/23/2014 | Drew DeSilver

Posted on 05/26/2014 6:09:15 AM PDT by EBH

As you scarf down burgers and potato salad this long Memorial Day weekend, consider this: Americans have the cheapest food in history, and that unprecedented abundance is largely responsible for why we’re so fat.

According to a new article in CA: A Cancer Journal for Clinicians, Americans in the 1930s spent a quarter of their disposable income on food. That share has fallen steadily through the decades, to the point where today less than 10% of Americans’ disposable dollars go for food. (That varies across income groups, of course: The poorest 20% of Americans still spend about a third of their disposable income on food.)

And even as the real cost of food goes down, each dollar we spend buys us more calories than it used to. The average American’s total caloric intake (adjusted for spoilage and other waste) rose from 2,109 calories in 1970 to 2,568 calories in 2010, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data — the equivalent of an extra steak sandwich every day.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: brainwash; food; foodprices; inflation; propaganda
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Tick-tock goes the inflation clock and the propaganda spin. Gee Pew Research, why are you comparing today's income expenditure for food to those of the depression era 1930's?

Trying to soften the blow of runaway food inflation couched in claims of obesity?

1 posted on 05/26/2014 6:09:15 AM PDT by EBH
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To: EBH

Wait a minute. I thought gazillions of ‘mericans go to bed hungry every night.


2 posted on 05/26/2014 6:11:56 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: EBH

What you said is true…I would also add the organic, free range and grass fed type proteins are much LESS FATTENING than the cheaper stuff…..so the whole notion of too cheap = obesity is absurd. If food prices were lower, people could more easily afford the better proteins.


3 posted on 05/26/2014 6:11:58 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: EBH

Yup... They are planning to write “How fortunate that Obama is President. Food used to be too cheap!” as soon as soon as the misery index goes up another notch.


4 posted on 05/26/2014 6:12:53 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: EBH
The poorest 20% of Americans still spend about a third of their disposable income on food.

And they're the fattest Americans in America.

5 posted on 05/26/2014 6:13:46 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: EBH

Gonna have to tax it for our own good like tobacco.


6 posted on 05/26/2014 6:14:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: EBH

so making food unaffordable is good because we will all lose weight?


7 posted on 05/26/2014 6:14:14 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I’m not so sure they would choose it though...?


8 posted on 05/26/2014 6:16:43 AM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: EBH
And even as the real cost of food goes down,

WTF??? What is this guy smoking?

9 posted on 05/26/2014 6:16:50 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: EBH

If I knew how to post a chart, I would do it. But we know food prices are rising and The Left is giving away millions of food stamps. NOW they are complaining?

The Left want total control, better known as Fascism. It is a personality flaw and it attracts people like Cass Sunsteen and Hillary Clinton.


10 posted on 05/26/2014 6:16:50 AM PDT by MRourke85
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To: EBH

True with some and false with some - but not relevant to the point I was making…..I’m attacking the faulty thesis, not predicting mass behavior. Their thesis if wrong period.


11 posted on 05/26/2014 6:17:58 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: EBH
Progressives long for their Glory Days.



12 posted on 05/26/2014 6:22:26 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Texas Eagle

Well, remember the whole food desert thing, in which Michelle Obama decries the lack of full service supermarkets in ghetto areas. So the poor have to eat chips and dips and snack/junk foods according to her theory.


13 posted on 05/26/2014 6:22:39 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et)
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To: MRourke85

No, look at the premise of the comparison they made...

Depression era food cost expenditures to today. It is an unrealistic comparison meant to cause confusion for those who don’t know history or recognize the era being used.

So they instill the thought that food is too cheap compared to what Grandma/Grandpa spent to obtain food.

Huge food inflation is coming and this is an early harbinger warning prepping the uneducated fools to accept their forced weight loss so 0bamacare becomes affordable. They are getting ready to starve Americans on a mass scale.


14 posted on 05/26/2014 6:23:42 AM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: EBH

Obviously a candidate for the most absurd headline ever written - as if such a thing were even possible.


15 posted on 05/26/2014 6:24:04 AM PDT by major-pelham
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To: silverleaf

If they were so ‘concerned’ about our health and waistlines, Cheetos would cost ten bucks a bag and lettuce would be a nickel a head. And tell the Department of AgriNazis to keep their filthy paws off my cheese steak, the damn dirty apes!


16 posted on 05/26/2014 6:25:22 AM PDT by Viking2002 (Liberals - destroyers of both men and civilizations. The Fourth Turning Cometh.)
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To: MRourke85
If I knew how to post a chart, I would do it.
<img src="http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/05/food_expenditure.png" width="50%">

Fight the Free Sh☭t Nation
I, for one, welcome our new Cybernetic Overlords /.

17 posted on 05/26/2014 6:31:47 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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To: EBH

It seems to me there are “facts” in this article that maybe aren’t. I wish I only spent 10% of income on food. That figure could be right,but will depend on the income figure it’s based on. “Disposable income” needs to be a little better defined,too.


18 posted on 05/26/2014 6:36:10 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: EBH

No…food is very cheap for the obese Poor. They all have SNAP cards and can load up on groceries on the taxpayers’ dime. Meanwhile, decent hamburger is $5/lv. now for the tax drone who is financing the obese Poor. That is not cheap.


19 posted on 05/26/2014 6:38:03 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: EBH

Pew Trying to get us all to feel guilty about living a decent lifestyle. Kiss my grits and pass the ribs.


20 posted on 05/26/2014 6:42:53 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: EBH

More from the Population Control, Dirt First, crowd.

These elitist bastards don’t want you growing independent of gov’t control and they certainly don’t want unregulated energy independence in the third world or in America.

Cheap food and energy in America SHOULD be the gateway for cheap food and energy in the third world.

But then, those third world populations might want to control access to their own rich natural resources, which these elitist bastards would rather retain for their own exploitation.


21 posted on 05/26/2014 6:48:09 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Viking2002
If they were so ‘concerned’ about our health and waistlines, Cheetos would cost ten bucks a bag and lettuce would be a nickel a head.

No. There is a reason for this difference in price.

Cheetos are very cheap to make, the ingredients in bulk don’t cost that much and they are made with a whole lot of automation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7uZMxVq8A

Lettuce, on the other hand is not manufactured but grown, even on the big so called “factory farms”; 1) takes a lot of land, 2) takes time to grow, 3) is subject to failure due to bad weather, i.e. cold, 4) is still rather labor intensive to harvest, 5) it doesn’t grow just anywhere especially in the winter, and 6) has a very short shelf life, farm to market.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTcKy_6TKk0

And tell the Department of AgriNazis to keep their filthy paws off my cheese steak, the damn dirty apes!

Yes, I’m with ya there.

22 posted on 05/26/2014 6:48:10 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: EBH
They are getting ready to starve working Americans on a mass scale.

Fixed it.

23 posted on 05/26/2014 6:51:24 AM PDT by bill1952 (taxes don't hurt the rich, they keep YOU from becoming rich.)
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To: EBH

The reason people are fat has nothing to do with the amount of fat they eat (except the hydrogenated kind), and everything to do with the processed “food” they’re eating. It’s very difficult to be overweight when your shopping cart is filled with fresh foods to be eaten as is or used as ingredients. That stated, this author is a loon.


24 posted on 05/26/2014 6:52:38 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: EBH

amazing, its nothing but spin, with some truth thrown in to make it go down more easily, and I’ve joked in the last year they should tell us all its good for us because Americans are too fat, . .well here we go,

along these lines, I’ve remarked that everyone knows that soda/pop soft-drinks are 12 oz, so it wont be easy to manipulate the sizing like for almost everything else, they cant just change the shape etc.,

went to the movies last weekend and one of the pre show ‘commercials’ was promoting the new ‘mini’ soda cans for whatever they were pushing, Pepsi i think,

its coming, and Americans will believe the lie,


25 posted on 05/26/2014 6:52:53 AM PDT by captmar-vell
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To: EBH

BTTT!


26 posted on 05/26/2014 6:55:31 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: MD Expat in PA
And I'm talking about a good cheese steak - Provolone, a little mayo, seasoned lettuce, and some sweet peppers, like we do in Western MD. Not those wafer steaks in a bun glopped over with Cheez Whiz like they make over in Philly.
27 posted on 05/26/2014 6:55:56 AM PDT by Viking2002 (Liberals - destroyers of both men and civilizations. The Fourth Turning Cometh.)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Probably another trust fund liberal that worships at the altar of Obama and has never experienced any adversity. They know what’s best for us you know.


28 posted on 05/26/2014 6:56:17 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Texas Eagle
Wait a minute. I thought gazillions of ‘mericans go to bed hungry every night.

That was when Bush was in office. Do try to keep up!

29 posted on 05/26/2014 6:57:36 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: silverleaf
so making food unaffordable is good because we will all lose weight?

Yes! It's been proven to be effective in North Korea! Have you ever seen a fat North Korean??

30 posted on 05/26/2014 6:59:33 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: EBH
EBH:" Huge food inflation is coming and this is an early harbinger warning prepping the uneducated fools to accept their forced weight loss
so 0bamacare becomes affordable. They are getting ready to starve Americans on a mass scale."

The FED just last Friday issued a warning that the price of food was going to increase dramaticly.
Meat products were immediately and most likely to increase in cost.
USFDA cracking down on milk producers , and backyard farm streetstands ,.. you figure it out by filling in the blanks !!

31 posted on 05/26/2014 7:28:31 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Political Correctness is Tyranny .. with manners ! Charlton Heston)
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To: EBH

“Huge food inflation is coming”
And I just figured out one of the mechanisms they will use.

EPA is increasing the mandate for ethanol in gasoline.


32 posted on 05/26/2014 7:40:56 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: MNDude

Before Obama became president, food was cheaper, health care was cheaper, gasoline was cheaper. Now, Obama claims he is for the people. Well, the people all need food, gas and health care, don’t they?


33 posted on 05/26/2014 7:47:05 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: EBH

Socialists crave shortages that give them power through rationing. If something exists in abundance so great they cannot imagine it away, they try to either limit production or inhibit its use.

This is because *anything* desirable, in abundance, is an alternative currency that takes power away from those who want to ration.

In old East Germany, they tried so hard to create shortages in everything that even color and music were reserved to “honor the state”. The only paint people could buy was black, white and gray. And weirdly enough, a lot of American leftists still pine for “the good old days” of East Germany.

To Hell with them. Enjoy abundance and trade it with others.


34 posted on 05/26/2014 7:56:05 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: jsanders2001
Here's the answer: "The Pew Charitable Trusts (PCT) are comprised of seven individual funds established between 1948 and 1979 by the four children of Joseph N. Pew, founder of the Sun Oil Company, and his wife Mary A. Pew. Mr. Pew and his immediate heirs were politically conservative, as were most of the causes that PCT supported in its early years. In recent decades, however, leftwing staffers have taken control of the organization, radically transforming its ideology and funding philosophy.Particularly responsible for this change was the late neurosurgeon Thomas W. Langfitt, who served as PCT's President and Chief Executive Officer from 1987 through 1994. "
35 posted on 05/26/2014 8:03:07 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: EBH; C. Edmund Wright
What you said is true…I would also add the organic, free range and grass fed type proteins are much LESS FATTENING than the cheaper stuff…..so the whole notion of too cheap = obesity is absurd. If food prices were lower, people could more easily afford the better proteins.

You might be interested to learn that there is no real discernible difference in the nutritional values of organic, free range, grass fed type proteins vs. the non-organic, non-free range, non-grass fed type proteins or in organic vegetables and fruits for that matter. Grass fed beef is slightly less in saturated fats and slightly higher in omega 3 fats but not to an extent that it makes any real difference to one’s diet and anyone who knows anything about good meat, knows that good marbling, i.e. the fat, is what differentiates prime meat from choice or lower grades of meat.

Organic foods are way overpriced and are IMO a lot of hype but people with too much disposable income and no or little knowledge of nutrition or science, especially in basic biology and chemistry fall for it. The last time I was at Wegman’s I was looking to by some fresh broccoli and cauliflower heads and the organic ones that were side by side with the “conventional” were nearly twice the price and half the size so guess what I ended up purchasing.

The very idea that we are fat because food is too cheap flies in the face of reason. The reason we are fat is we eat too much in general and we don’t move enough. One can get just as fat by eating too much all organic and so called healthy whole foods as they can living on junk foods. At the end of the day, eating too many calories no matter what the source and not exercising enough is what makes us fat.

Granted, those not eating an overall well balanced diet that includes a wide range of foods, including fresh vegetables and fruits and healthy grains and nothing but processed high fat or high sugar convenience foods with very little nutritional value, will for most people eventually cause health issues but at the end of the day, too many calories taken in and not enough burned off is what makes us fat.

Making food more expensive for everyone will not solve this problem and if concerns about good nutrition is their concern, that will only make it worse. People who make poor food choice will continue to do so especially if you and I are paying for it. Does anyone think that making food more expense will suddenly force people to eat more broccoli and brussel sprouts?

FWIW, I was over in the UK last October on a business trip. I was watching a news report on a story that was making big headlines over there at the time which was “how much food that is purchased is wasted” and what a severe problem some thought this was. And the biggest “offenders” was, get this, those pre-packaged fresh salad greens. The complaint seemed to be that they were too cheap and that too many stores were running BOGO deals, ergo too many people were buy too many healthy greens and then throwing some of them away in the trash bin as they went bad before they could all be eaten and what a waste of “resources” this was. They weren’t even trying to make the claim that this took food out of the mouths of poor people, but just the fact the some of the fresh foods being purchased were being thrown away was this was horrible and the only reasonable thing to do, the only solution to this horrible problem was to make it more expensive and force the grocers from not putting them on sale or doing the BOGO deals anymore and forcing them to stock less perishable items so that they run out before closing every night. (UGGG!)

One of the so called experts even recommended not buying any more food from the grocers than one could eat in any single day, i.e. shopping every day and not having any leftovers in the refrigerator.

I don’t recall her name but a conservative Tory former MP was interviewed and very correctly pointed out how ridiculous this was. She pointed out that with many working families, many with long commutes, shopping every day for groceries would not be practical for many, it would cut into their precious family time, and said something to the effect of “You are all so concerned about our so called carbon foot print (with a great big eye roll) but you have no concerns about burning more petrol in order to run to the store every day because a few leaves of lettuce get tossed into the bin? Are these tossed away leaves of lettuce taking anything out of hungry mouths? No. Are these grocers losing money because they sell these products on sale? No. If these grocers were actually losing money on overstocked items, do you think they would continue to do so? No. Do you think that forcing higher prices and artificially limiting supply and therefore the demand will make our famers suffer? Well? Try telling our produce famers that cutting their crops by a third will help prevent our poor overworked refuse haulers from suffering from the horrors of picking up bins with a few leaves of uneaten lettuce in them. Tell your kids that mum was two minutes late getting to the Tesco and all the produce was gone so we’ll have to eat some chips for dinner tonight instead. Such a “first” world problem this is. Really. Travel around the world, to many third world countries as I have done, look at the severely malnourished children and ask their mums if they would like to have such a problem as occasionally having to throw out some uneaten food.”

36 posted on 05/26/2014 8:03:20 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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***the depression era 1930’s****
Food was still cheap back then. My Mother-in-law said they got tired of steak for breakfast, steak for dinner, steak for supper as it was the cheapest thing around.

It was so bad the Government bought up whole herds of cattle and hogs, dug holes shot them and buried them. It was an attempt to get the price up.
The government did the same with milk, dumping lots of it in the sewers.

Ten years later the government was back begging the ranchers and farmers to increase cow production for the war effort.
How do you tell a sow or cow to produce more piglets or calves?


37 posted on 05/26/2014 8:09:11 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The socialists I’ll not be happy until they control every aspect of YOUR life (but not their own). This info explains much about Pew’s leftist bias. They’re just another part of the Left propaganda machine:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funderprofile.asp?fndid=5213


38 posted on 05/26/2014 8:14:16 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

The socialists will not be happy until they control every aspect of YOUR life (but not their own). This info explains much about Pew’s leftist bias. They’re just another part of the Left propaganda machine:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funderprofile.asp?fndid=5213


39 posted on 05/26/2014 8:15:30 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: SamAdams76
That was when Bush was in office. Do try to keep up!

Ha !

40 posted on 05/26/2014 8:16:43 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: EBH

I’ve posted this many times, and have the cold hard facts to back it up;

Never before in the history of the world have so many people eaten such a wide range of foods for so little money as they do today in the United States.

The article in question simply confirms the above.


41 posted on 05/26/2014 8:21:12 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: MRourke85

They want to bring back ration books.


42 posted on 05/26/2014 8:23:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: EBH

Bingo. This is a planted article for propaganda purposes.


43 posted on 05/26/2014 8:30:52 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: EBH

As one of the posted comments the article noted, the provided propaganda chart showing lower food cost over time conveniently stops in 2009, when Obama entered office. Nothing ruins propaganda more than inconvenient facts.


44 posted on 05/26/2014 8:34:44 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: EBH
Whoever wrote this is obviously on crack. Ham hocks are now $3/lb. HAM HOCKS! I went to make a pot of soup and decided to flavor it with ham hocks since I can no longer afford meat. I discovered that I can no longer afford ham hocks either.


45 posted on 05/26/2014 8:44:54 AM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: EBH

The Obowmunists want you to pay more for everything, just remember it is not your money it is their money and they let you keep a little of it.


46 posted on 05/26/2014 8:51:39 AM PDT by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: EBH
Yes... food is too cheap. Here is a perfect way to make it more expensive (it's for the chindren)... make this chart go to $0.00/month:


47 posted on 05/26/2014 8:54:40 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: EBH
Liberal elites and their puppet - Obama - will make damn sure our food prices go up.

Why?

Because liberal elites hate middle class Americans.

Elites won't suffer if food prices skyrocket because they have plenty of money.

The 'dependent ones' won't suffer because Obama will up their food stamps.

Who's left? The working people of this country...

48 posted on 05/26/2014 8:54:50 AM PDT by GOPJ (Someone explain why {the MSM} uses the term liberal to describe totalitarian sociopaths? BruceinOz)
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To: EBH
Tick-tock goes the inflation clock and the propaganda spin. Gee Pew Research, why are you comparing today's income expenditure for food to those of the depression era 1930's?

 A few years ago, the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank published a long propaganda piece about the "myth of inflation" in it's annual report. They did comparisons between prices today and in the 30s and, through some manipulations were able to show that it took approximately the same amount of time for your average worker to make enough money to by, say, a loaf of bread or whatever that it did in the 30s.

Other than the general handwaving (and outright lies) they used to come to that conclusion, the really huge elephant in the room that was not mentioned at all was the huge difference in taxation levels between then and now, that robs thier mythical 'average man' of his ability to get ahead.

49 posted on 05/26/2014 8:55:16 AM PDT by zeugma (I have never seen anyone cross the street to avoid a black man in a suit.)
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To: MD Expat in PA

I agree with most of what you said, but I absolutely disagree with the idea that free range chicken and beef is not better for you. Yes, I agree, marbled beef is prime - but cows are designed to eat grass and chickens designed to eat bugs - neither is designed to eat grain and fatten up 3-4X as quick. Eggs especially are much different in free range chix - and the yolks look at taste far differently.

Now, is it over priced? Maybe. Is there a boutique chic quality to why a lot of folks eat it? Absolutely. But I’m sorry, my eyes and my body tell me there is a difference - at least with respect to eggs, beef and chicken.

I know much less about organically grown veggies and fruits versus production farming….


50 posted on 05/26/2014 9:28:27 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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