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Father's plea should stir community to action against violence
Milwaukee J-S ^ | 26 may 2014

Posted on 05/26/2014 6:41:02 AM PDT by rellimpank

"Enough is enough. She's innocent. She didn't bother nobody."

That was Onjuan Guyton's plea as his 10-year-old daughter Sierra Guyton struggled for life after being caught in a crossfire Wednesday evening on the playground of Clarke Street Elementary School. Think about that: A 10-year-old shot on her school playground. What kind of world allows that to happen?

We hope Onjuan Guyton's plea of "enough" resonates in the neighborhoods around Sierra's school, and stirs parents, community leaders and young black men to stand up against the violence around them, as columnist James E. Causey urged in his column Friday morning. Without that community effort, Milwaukee police don't have much of a chance against the violence. This has to start in the city's neighborhoods with a refusal to condone violence and a recognition that a gun doesn't make you a man.

We hope it stirs police and city officials to continue their efforts to add more officers to the streets and target them effectively to the places they're needed. A larger police presence sends the message that the city is serious about crime. And more officers should help with a burnout issue described by police union head Michael Crivello and Ald. Bob Donovan. But, as important as it is, just adding more officers is not enough, as Police Chief Edward Flynn and Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett have repeatedly argued

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; rkba
--Milwaukee has the same situation in its leading "minority" population as Chicago and the J-S spreads the same old cliches'--
1 posted on 05/26/2014 6:41:02 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank
A 10-year-old shot on her school playground. What kind of world allows that to happen?

A world governed by Liberals.

2 posted on 05/26/2014 6:48:50 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: rellimpank

The single biggest group of violent crimes in America are blacks. It is racist this is allowed to continue.


3 posted on 05/26/2014 6:54:38 AM PDT by umgud
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To: umgud

ooooops......victims


4 posted on 05/26/2014 6:55:08 AM PDT by umgud
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To: rellimpank

>>and young black men to stand up against the violence around them

They don’t need to “stand up” to violence. They need to SIT DOWN and stop shooting each other.


5 posted on 05/26/2014 6:56:47 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: rellimpank

What we really need is not “action against violence” — we need kids that are raised by engaged fathers and stay-at-home mothers. (Sorry feminists, you can’t have it all.)


6 posted on 05/26/2014 6:59:12 AM PDT by Socon-Econ
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To: rellimpank
Read this article and you will see why no change will come in the Black communities. this is not racist, it is truth, but there will be some who will call the writer a racist.

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One might object that there are important group differences among blacks that a white man simply cannot detect. I have done my best to find them, but so far as I can tell, they dress the same, talk the same, think the same. Certainly, they form rival groups, but the groups are not different in any discernible way. There simply are no groups of blacks that are as distinctly different from each other as white “nerds,” “hunters,” or “Goths,” for example.

How the world looks to blacks: One point on which all blacks agree is that everything is “racis’.” This is one message of liberalism they have absorbed completely. Did you do your homework? “Na, homework racis’.” Why did you get an F on the test? “Test racis’.”

I was trying to teach a unit on British philosophers and the first thing the students noticed about Bentham, Hobbes, and Locke was “Dey all white! Where da black philosopher a’?” I tried to explain there were no blacks in eighteenth century Britain. You can probably guess what they said to that: “Dat racis’!” One student accused me of deliberately failing him on a test because I didn’t like black people.

“Do you think I really hate black people?”
“Yeah.”
“Have I done anything to make you feel this way? How do you know?”
“You just do.”
“Why do you say that?”

He just smirked, looked out the window, and sucked air through his teeth. Perhaps this was a regional thing, but the blacks often sucked air through their teeth as a wordless expression of disdain or hostility.

My students were sometimes unable to see the world except through the lens of their own blackness. I had a class that was host to a German exchange student. One day he put on a Power Point presentation with famous German landmarks as well as his school and family.

From time to time during the presentation, blacks would scream, “Where da black folk?!” The exasperated German tried several times to explain that there were no black people where he lived in Germany. The students did not believe him. I told them Germany is in Europe, where white people are from, and Africa is where black people are from. They insisted that the German student was racist, and deliberately refused to associate with blacks.....

7 posted on 05/26/2014 7:04:45 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: rellimpank

“Father’s plea should stir community to action against violence”

LOL! Reeeeealy?

What the hell were you people doing before this?

Oh that’s right, they were actively encouraging the thug culture in youth, not “snitching” on crooks, and sitting around blaming white people for everything.

Just because some little girl got caught in the mess they all help make, that somehow humanity is going to bloom in the hood?

Just have another “peace rally” complete with chumps that pass off as “men of the community” calling for calm, local Al Sharpton clone giving a crappy sermon, Kids reading bad poetry they wrote, and one of the local American Idol rejects doing a cover song calling to love each other. Then go back to your regularly scheduled programming of being hood rats because no one in their right mind takes this seriously.

So sad for that kid to have to be another blood sacrifice for people that cant seem to get a clue.


8 posted on 05/26/2014 7:05:22 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: rellimpank
What kind of world allows that to happen?

Look up Joseph Conrad. He pretty much had the answer.

Back when real schools existed, everybody kinda knew this.

9 posted on 05/26/2014 7:08:15 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: VanDeKoik

Not only “can’t seem to get a clue” - actively refuse to acknowledge any number of clues. Clues are apparently racist.


10 posted on 05/26/2014 7:12:45 AM PDT by Bob
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To: rellimpank
The democrips foist upon America their version of a champion --little barry bastard boy who hates the America he is working desperately to abort-- and they worship him in a surreal fashion, with media whoredom spewing propaganda daily to prop the lying scumbag up and promote the further division of races and further enslave black people to the government, and now they are mystified as to why the rabble rages against itself?

Of course the dumbed down rabble will blame an inanimate object for the violence, because to admit the real reason for the collapse of the rule of law is too hard to fathom given the dumbed down state the rabble is kept in for democrip empowerment. The taboo structure of society has been systematically destroyed, aborting the life that was America. It has been done for political expediency. The rabble has been herded and suddenly don't like the corral they have eagerly embraced when it meant free from the government.

When the children are raised without a taboo structure, they become rabble roused to rage against itself. And politicians in the democrips and republicant parties want that state of agitation because it empowers them as if they can solve the problems they have wrought.

11 posted on 05/26/2014 7:16:40 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: rellimpank
Think about that: A 10-year-old shot on her school playground. What kind of world allows that to happen?

Obviously, urban culture.

12 posted on 05/26/2014 7:19:25 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Jim Noble

If a simple law were passed mandating vasectomies to all blacks (at the same time as circumcision) born in selected counties in and around selected big cities we would, in 15-20 years see a vast decrease in fatherless young black males along with fewer little girls being shot on the playground.

Once again liberals will call this idea racist even though it is painless and FEW ghetto black males care about having kids anyway and despite the fact that vasectomies could be undone later in life by black “men” wanting to have kids. So, liberalism will keep on causing little girls to be shot on playgrounds, simple as that.

On a bumper sticker, “it’s FATHERLESS black males that is the problem, not guns”. More and more people must start screaming that before politicians will find the backbone to act.


13 posted on 05/26/2014 7:24:23 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: rellimpank

Remember dad, Snitches get stitches.


14 posted on 05/26/2014 7:25:57 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

” but the blacks often sucked air through their teeth as a wordless expression of disdain or hostility.”

Or resignation that their argument didn’t make sense but it is all they have.
It is similar to the behavior of cult members when confronted by any criticism of the cult that is irrefutable.


15 posted on 05/26/2014 7:28:53 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Cen-Tejas

I was thinking more of free abortions for black women. That would make liberal heads explode.


16 posted on 05/26/2014 7:29:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Socon-Econ

You said it... blacks dads needs to go out and work while the moms needs to be home raising the kids. (Or visit the gym...to exercise)


17 posted on 05/26/2014 7:35:23 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Cen-Tejas
Well, politicians ARE acting. They are the one who have systematically aborted the taboo structure in America. They tell you it is because 'we the people' need to be more tolerant, so they can excise the marriage and family institution which strengthened America. They control your speech and schools, completely, because it is more politically correct. They legislate more and more handouts for fedzilla in the specious name of 'caring, for the children'. Enslaving masses of people under government handouts rather than education, work, and independence is done in the name of compassion.

In the progressive meme enslaving and controlling and herding is tolerant, compassionate, and equality. The German's invented a really equal WAY OF DEALING WITH DIFFICULT PEOPLE ... GAS CHAMBERS. They tried using trucks in which the exhaust was piped into the ... but that was not efficient enough. The politicians have tried welfare checks to females with dependent children and no father in the household, but that only emptied the households of a father figure. EBT cards are designed to prevent division, allowing ANYONE to use the card for purchasing nearly anything. Must not discriminate don'tchaknow. The money behind the EBT cards is not real anyway ...

The current crop of politicians IS the problem. Do you really want them to act, seeing what diabolical enslavement they have orchestrated to get us to this point in national collapse?

18 posted on 05/26/2014 7:36:33 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Jim Noble

Well...thanks...now I have ANOTHER book to add to my list!


19 posted on 05/26/2014 7:52:06 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods)
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To: rellimpank

This is obviously the work of the NRA.


20 posted on 05/26/2014 7:55:04 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine
That was a great and true article, I have had my own experience with the Blacks. They simply don't know that they are still on that plantation.

They can't tell you where AfricaAmerica is, neither can I, but they use this term as if it was once/or still is a place somewhere in America.

All one has to do is watch all the Judge shows on TV each day, especially Judge Mathis and now the awful "Paternity Court" & "Divorce Court", where they proudly display their ignorant & disgusting lifestyles for all the world to see, where they sterotype themselves and prove our point about them, but it is racis if we "think" it.

21 posted on 05/26/2014 7:57:27 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: MHGinTN

Good points in a thoughtful post!


22 posted on 05/26/2014 8:00:04 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: AppyPappy

Then it would be the “right to life” groups raising hell!

So, bottom line, have we as a society just got to the point we are ungovernable ?

Is it time to say “ok, these states and towns are liberal and these states and towns are conservative?”

Liberalism builds its own Capitol somewhere and conservatives do the same.

Austin could be the liberal enclave in Texas. Indeed, it already is. So, Austin (Travis County) could impose on themselves every little liberal whim that comes down the pike, as long as they have the tax base to pay for it!


23 posted on 05/26/2014 8:09:05 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Jim Noble

It is perhaps relevant that Joe recognized the greatest inhumanity and evil being committed in Africa at the time was by Europeans, specifically those working for King Leopold in the Congo Free State.


24 posted on 05/26/2014 8:35:02 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: AppyPappy

see Margaret Sanger and the Negro Project.


25 posted on 05/26/2014 8:39:17 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: Cen-Tejas
it’s FATHERLESS black males that is the problem, not guns

Sorry, but that's just not the problem.

Let us assume all the baby-daddies stayed around. Men who abandon their children to the ghetto are more or less by definition irresponsible, and a very high percentage of them are thugs.

Does having Daddy, who's a thug, around magically produce a generation of responsible young black men? I rather doubt it.

IOW, this idea confuses cause and effect. Black boys grow up without responsible fathers because their baby-daddies are irresponsible thugs.

26 posted on 05/26/2014 8:39:25 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: AppyPappy
I was thinking more of free abortions for black women. That would make liberal heads explode.

Or a private group offering a $1,000 stipend to any woman between 18 and 20, currently getting welfare, who elects to get sterilized. That would have lib heads having a thermonuclear detonation.

27 posted on 05/26/2014 8:40:47 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: rellimpank
Without that community effort, Milwaukee police don't have much of a chance against the violence. This has to start in the city's neighborhoods with a refusal to condone violence and a recognition that a gun doesn't make you a man.

Rather conflicts with the whole "stop snitching" meme.

28 posted on 05/26/2014 8:41:25 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
IOW, this idea confuses cause and effect. Black boys grow up without responsible fathers because their baby-daddies are irresponsible thugs.

And the women get pregnant by thugs, because thugs are more sexy than guys who work as WalMart managers.

This is not anything new -- lots of women have always been attracted to "bad boy" types. In the past, though, a women had no choice but to marry a guy with a good enough job to support a family, instead of the bad boy. What's new is that the government enables them to screw the bad boys and still survive on a government stipend.

We will have this dysfunction for as long as government enables it.

29 posted on 05/26/2014 8:48:25 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

And the thug life has always had its attractions for boys, but they knew that if they lived it they’d be unable to attract a wife and therefore would have to live a largely celibate life.

Today the bad boys largely sponge off the baby mamas and get stuff from them as well as sex.


30 posted on 05/26/2014 9:10:48 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: rellimpank

Of course the article states more gun laws will fix the problem. I live 35 miles north of Milwaukee, work in Milwaukee, and grew up in a suburb. They need to enforce the existing laws, which are plenty. The thugs so often get a slap on the hand, if that. Mayor Barrett and Chief Flynn are a bunch of liberals that talk out of their butts. I don’t claim to know the answer, but it certainly isn’t a bunch of empty words from those 2 yahoos. Sheriff David Clarke has a few ideas, but since he’s not a liberal, and he’s black, no one in Milwaukee listens to him.


31 posted on 05/26/2014 9:34:54 AM PDT by jodster36
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To: Texas Eagle

What’s stopping liberals from solving all these problems? In Chicago they’ve been in power for a century. Isn’t that enough time?


32 posted on 05/26/2014 6:34:25 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Sherman Logan

I appreciate your valid comments but I think they fall a little short.

My suggestion about vasectomies, if implemented, would nullify your point would it not because there would, over time and thanks to modern birth control, be fewer and fewer unwanted black babies around because all the black males in town were shooting blanks............. ergo the concept of a “thuggish” black male hanging around his kid (and I totally agree with you on that) is now invalid because the “thuggish” kid is not a dad because he had a vasectomy 15-25 years earlier.

I may have been unclear on one major ingredient here and that is TIME. If vasectomies started being implemented tomorrow on newborn black babies it would take around 15 years or so to start seeing results. But, it is a START towards a solution to crime in the inner cities that WILL reduce unwed mothers, fatherless kids, and uncared for kids.

Now, my suggestion is, admittedly, no panacea because it takes TIME. But, it is undeniable that IN TIME it would work and thousands of unwanted, uncared for babies committing crime would simply vanish from the inner city. Vasectomies aren’t free either but I bet the taxpayer could be talked into paying for them in lieu of the reward.


33 posted on 05/27/2014 7:24:48 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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