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Pope, Netanyahu spar over Jesus' native language
Reuters ^ | 26 May 2014 | Reuters

Posted on 05/26/2014 10:50:43 AM PDT by VitacoreVision

Pope Francis and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu traded words on Monday over the language spoken by Jesus two millennia ago. "Jesus was here, in this land. He spoke Hebrew," Netanyahu told Francis, at a public meeting in Jerusalem in which the Israeli leader cited a strong connection between Judaism and Christianity. "Aramaic," the pope interjected. "He spoke Aramaic, but he knew Hebrew," Netanyahu shot back. Like many things in the Middle East, where the pope is on the last leg of a three-day visit, modern-day discourse about Jesus is complicated and often political. A Jew, Jesus was born in Bethlehem in the Roman-ruled region of Judea, now the Israeli-occupied West Bank. He grew up in Nazareth and ministered in Galilee, both in northern Israel, and died in Jerusalem, a city revered by Jews, Christians and Muslims, and to which Israelis and Palestinians lay claim. Palestinians sometimes describe Jesus as a Palestinian. Israelis object to that. Israeli linguistics professor Ghil'ad Zuckermann told Reuters that both Netanyahu, son of a distinguished Jewish historian, and the pope, the spiritual leader of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics, had a point. "Jesus was a native Aramaic speaker," he said about the largely defunct Semitic language closely related to Hebrew. "But he would have also known Hebrew because there were extant religious writings in Hebrew." Zuckermann said that during Jesus' time, Hebrew was spoken by the lower classes - "the kind of people he ministered to".

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: aramaic; churchhistory; dopesareamongus; hebrew; israel; jesus; jesusspokeebonics; jesusspokeesperanto; jesusspokemexican; language; letsaskjoelosteen; netanyahu; pope; popefrancis; replacementtheology; romancatholicism; sectarianturmoil
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1 posted on 05/26/2014 10:50:43 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: VitacoreVision

The pope is a dope.


2 posted on 05/26/2014 10:53:45 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: VitacoreVision
Well, they are both wrong. He spoke 15th Century English. Just like my KJV Bible. hehe
3 posted on 05/26/2014 10:54:14 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: VitacoreVision
Both are right. Aramaic was the spoken language among Jews; Hebrew was the language of the Jewish religion; Greek was the lingua franca used by both Jews and Gentiles. Latin was the official language of Rome. No Arabic.
4 posted on 05/26/2014 10:54:37 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Tupelo

I always figured He spoke Latin.


5 posted on 05/26/2014 10:56:23 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: VitacoreVision

. . . . And by the way, the land was covenanted by God to the children of Israel forever.


6 posted on 05/26/2014 11:00:22 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: VitacoreVision

Careful, “Pope” Francis, your ignorance and pro-Muslim bias is showing.


7 posted on 05/26/2014 11:01:09 AM PDT by montag813
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Pope Francis Refers to 'State of Palestine' on Holy Land Trip, Calls Mahmoud Abbas a 'Man of Peace'

The Blaze ^ | May. 25, 2014 | Dave Urbanski
8 posted on 05/26/2014 11:04:24 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: Dr. Thorne

Back in those days most people spoke multiple languages. Latin the language of govt because of the Roman occupation, Greek because it was the language of trade, as well as Hebrew and Armaic.


9 posted on 05/26/2014 11:04:51 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: VitacoreVision

King James English. Everyone knows that.


10 posted on 05/26/2014 11:05:10 AM PDT by marron
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To: VitacoreVision

The Pope would be saying the equivalent of today’s Israelis speaking English most of the time, but know Hebrew. LOL!


11 posted on 05/26/2014 11:06:27 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Dr. Thorne
The pope is a dope.

How? The Romans spoke Latin. The Jews read their Tanakh in Hebrew, except for the section in Daniel that was written in Aramaic; and they talked to each other in Aramaic. (The differences between Hebrew and Aramaic are no more than the differences between Spanish and Portuguese.) Everyone's "second language" was Greek, just as everyone's second language today in east Africa is Kiswahili, and is English in India. Francis was making a linguistic point, Netanyahu an ethnic one, and they both were correct.

12 posted on 05/26/2014 11:06:56 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Another act in this end times drama.


13 posted on 05/26/2014 11:06:57 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Dr. Thorne
The pope is a dope.

"Jesus was a native Aramaic speaker," he said about the largely defunct Semitic language closely related to Hebrew. "But he would have also known Hebrew because there were extant religious writings in Hebrew." Zuckermann said
It's in the article.
14 posted on 05/26/2014 11:07:40 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: VitacoreVision
"Jesus was here, in this land. He spoke Hebrew," Netanyahu told Francis...

"Aramaic," the pope interjected.

"He spoke Aramaic, but he knew Hebrew," Netanyahu shot back.

So the pope was right and Netanyahu was also right.

15 posted on 05/26/2014 11:08:38 AM PDT by marron
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To: Dr. Thorne

Yep. He sounds more and more like a liberal politician.


16 posted on 05/26/2014 11:08:54 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: VitacoreVision

This pope has a loose screw.


17 posted on 05/26/2014 11:09:06 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Genoa
. . . . And by the way, the land was covenanted by God to the children of Israel forever.

Scripture reference?

I don't recall Jesus ever saying that His purpose was to keep the land for Israel, and why didn't any of the New Testament writers mention it at all? Didn't Jesus weep over Jerusalem and say that no stone would be left?

Jesus said clearly that He made a new covenant with his blood.

18 posted on 05/26/2014 11:09:24 AM PDT by agrarianlady
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To: Jack Hydrazine

We hear a lot of English from Israelis when they are speaking in various media. But there is strong pressure for western-born Israelis to learn Hebrew. For the most part, Israeli children learn Hebrew from the get-go. It is a matter of national identity.


19 posted on 05/26/2014 11:09:30 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: VitacoreVision

I’m pretty sure God could speak any language that existed.


20 posted on 05/26/2014 11:10:10 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about.)
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To: VitacoreVision

On bilingualism in Texas public schools, Texas Governor Miriam Amanda “Ma” Ferguson:
“If the King’s English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it’s good enough for the children of Texas!”

So there it is. He spoke Texan.


21 posted on 05/26/2014 11:12:13 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: VitacoreVision

The pope is a fool. He thought he was correcting Netanyahu, and it was a natural reflex.


22 posted on 05/26/2014 11:14:17 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: marron
"So the pope was right and Netanyahu was also right."

No, the pope was wrong. The pope thought he was correcting Netanyahu. The pope did not say that Jesus also spoke Aramaic. The pope appeared to be unaware that Jesus spoke Hebrew.

23 posted on 05/26/2014 11:17:33 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: agrarianlady
Scripture reference?

The promise of the land, the Abrahamic Covenant, is affirmed as an everlasting covenant throughout the Bible (Genesis 17:7-8; Psalm 105:9-12), and the Apostle Paul confirmed that it could never be annulled (Galatians 3:17). There is plenty more to read about God's unbreakable promise to the people of Israel, who will one day come to know Messiah Yeshua. The Kingdom of God will have Him for its king and Jerusalem for its capital.

24 posted on 05/26/2014 11:18:07 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: VitacoreVision
YHvH's WORD is written in Hebrew.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

25 posted on 05/26/2014 11:20:24 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: tumblindice
Jesus cowboy photo: Real Men Love Jesus realmenlovejesus.jpg Roy Roger's "Rider's Rules" 1. Be neat and clean. 2. Be courteous and polite. 3. Always obey your parents. 4. Protect the weak and help them. 5. Be brave but never take chances. 6. Study hard and learn all you can. 7. Be kind to animals and care for them. 8. Eat all your food and never waste any. 9. Love God and go to Sunday School regularly. 10. Always respect our flag and our country.
26 posted on 05/26/2014 11:22:59 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: UnwashedPeasant
What a screwy thing for people to get worked up over. The everyday language of the people in the time and place of the Master was Aramaic. However, the story of how Jesus read from the Book of Isaiah (Luke 4:16-21) shows he was also conversant in Hebrew.

And?

27 posted on 05/26/2014 11:25:41 AM PDT by Robwin
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To: VitacoreVision

It might be relevant that the only place in the middle east where modern Aramaic speakers live in peace and relative safety is in Israel.


28 posted on 05/26/2014 11:27:31 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron

Yes, there are pockets of Aramaic speakers in northern Iraq, northern Syria, and eastern Turkey . . . . but no thanks. You’re right about Israel. It’s the one sliver of sanity in a crazy region.


29 posted on 05/26/2014 11:34:20 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

Netanyahu needed correcting, because he chose to politicize language. He wants to promote Hebrew, which is both his right and his job — but he picked the wrong occasion and fudged history.


30 posted on 05/26/2014 11:34:44 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Genoa

When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.


31 posted on 05/26/2014 11:38:39 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: NYer

Aramaic-related ping.


32 posted on 05/26/2014 11:40:28 AM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Romulus
what will he do unto those husbandmen?

Those who reject God will be rejected by God. In this parable, which is a story intended to make a spiritual point, Jesus addressed himself to false religious leaders. This parable does not negate God's covenant with the Israelite people. In the last days, Israel will be saved. Check out Romans 11.

33 posted on 05/26/2014 11:44:16 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Tupelo
Well, they are both wrong. He spoke 15th Century English. Just like my KJV Bible. hehe If you had not posted this I would have.
34 posted on 05/26/2014 11:47:22 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatrian)
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To: Genoa

Here’s Luke’s version. Jesus is not addressing generic “false religious leaders”. The parable is not applicable to Muslims or Hindus.

But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours. So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others.


35 posted on 05/26/2014 11:49:43 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

God certainly did give the vineyard to others, when the Jews were driven out of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 and again in A.D. 135. It’s a matter of history. But the regathering of Israel is now appearing before our very eyes. Sooner or later, God’s everlasting covenant will be carried out to the letter and Christ will reign on earth.


36 posted on 05/26/2014 11:53:50 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Genoa

God’s covenant with the Israelite people is fulfilled in Jesus. There’s no other savior upon whom they can call.

Esau was reconciled to Jacob, but only by way of accepting the gifts Jacob offered.


37 posted on 05/26/2014 11:56:26 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Genoa

Did the army of Titus deliver to the Lord the vineyard’s fruits in their seasons? Is that what you believe?


38 posted on 05/26/2014 11:58:49 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

If you want to spiritualize the Bible’s prophecies about the land of Israel and say they were fulfilled in Jesus, you are certainly not the first to do so. I will take them at face value. You’re right that there is no other savior. Did you read Romans 11? Israel will acknowledge Messiah Yeshua.


39 posted on 05/26/2014 11:59:13 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Genoa

Think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.


40 posted on 05/26/2014 12:01:44 PM PDT by Romulus
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Did the army of Titus deliver to the Lord the vineyard’s fruits in their seasons?

No. "A nation bringing forth the fruits thereof" refers to those Israelites (with faithful Gentiles grafted in) who are the faithful in God's kingdom (either now in its incipient phase, or later in its fullness). Israel lost the land to Rome, and their spiritual status to those who would accept Messiah. But the point is that it won't always be that way. God will have them back. Read Romans 11.

41 posted on 05/26/2014 12:04:24 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Genoa
I will take them at face value.

You really think John was talking about land clearing operations?

42 posted on 05/26/2014 12:04:54 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

You assume that all temporal judgments are irreversible. That’s not how it pans out.


43 posted on 05/26/2014 12:05:28 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Romulus

No one endorses everything Israel does today in unbelief. But make no mistake: God’s not finished with them yet.


44 posted on 05/26/2014 12:09:02 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Genoa
"A nation bringing forth the fruits thereof" refers to those Israelites (with faithful Gentiles grafted in) who are the faithful in God's kingdom (either now in its incipient phase, or later in its fullness).

Let me help you out. It refers to the Church, the body of believers with Jesus at their head. Unbaptized Jews do not belong to this body.

But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ The man was speechless. Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

At the Second Coming, Israel will receive a special grace in the final opportunity to recognize and acknowledge her Lord. That is the meaning of Romans 11. But no one is saved against his will; no one's marched into heaven at gunpoint: the Jews who reject Jesus on the last day will receive what they desire -- separation from him forever.

45 posted on 05/26/2014 12:14:44 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: aposiopetic

Thanks for the post and ping. Jesus, His mother and disciples spoke Aramaic. Hebrew was the liturgical language of the Temple. And, since the Holy Land was under Roman rule, no doubt He understood and spoke Latin.


46 posted on 05/26/2014 12:16:04 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: Tupelo

I always thought that the Son of God spoke all languages.


47 posted on 05/26/2014 12:16:16 PM PDT by erkelly
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To: VitacoreVision

I guess if you’re a reporter, you have to make up conflict somewhere.


48 posted on 05/26/2014 12:17:16 PM PDT by RichInOC (...your newest purveyor of wit, laughter and the Popish creed.)
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To: VitacoreVision

I would guess he spoke the language his listener needed to hear. Latin, Hebrew, Aramaic.... whatever was called for.


49 posted on 05/26/2014 12:17:25 PM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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You just beat me.... I agree.


50 posted on 05/26/2014 12:17:57 PM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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