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Killer's family tried to intervene before rampage [Liberal spin begins]
YAHOO ^ | 26 MAY 2014 | AP

Posted on 05/26/2014 11:45:32 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

GOLETA, Calif. (AP) — It was Friday night when Elliot Rodger's mother got a call from her son's therapist that he had emailed a ranting manifesto about going on a deadly rampage.

The mother went to her son's YouTube channel and found the video in which he threatens to kill people. She alerted authorities and set off frantically with her ex-husband to Santa Barbara.

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The gun control angle has backfired miserably on the Left, as half the deceased were stabbed and others were injured by the killer's car. We know now the father is a movie director for one of the most dystopian movie franchises ever made, and had recently remarried a 22-year woman just months older than his son. The killer was clearly disturbed and had no proper parental interaction or upbringing. Hence, the Left now trying to make it seem like his biological mother tried to help.
1 posted on 05/26/2014 11:45:32 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The press should NAME that useless psychiatrist, who had been treating the young man for quite some time.

That clueless shrink should lose his license FOREVER.


2 posted on 05/26/2014 11:48:49 AM PDT by miserare (2014--The Year We Fight Back!)
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To: miserare

son’s therapist received the ranting manifesto and went D’oh who can I Blame


3 posted on 05/26/2014 11:51:15 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: miserare
"That clueless shrink should lose his license FOREVER."

Why would you wish such a thing?

4 posted on 05/26/2014 11:51:22 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: miserare

Sometimes a person is beyond help of anyone. this young man no doubt had an extreme disorder, the people to look at are the parents.


5 posted on 05/26/2014 11:52:23 AM PDT by stockpirate (Only a tidal wave of tyrants blood will return our tree of liberty......)
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To: miserare

I’m pretty sure he mentioned both therapists he was taken to as an adult: one he only went to once and refused medication from, the other I believe he continued to see, along with supervised, hired therapist-friends.

Both were shrinks who appear as experts on tv. (It’s in his manifesto.)

But I’d have thought the shrink would have been obligated to report him to the authorities, and any delay there would have been problematic.

Also, I guess they must have been in family therapy, or else going to the mother would have been an invasion of the client’s privacy as well, no?


6 posted on 05/26/2014 11:54:58 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: billorites

The psychiatrist NOTIFIED authorities!!!


7 posted on 05/26/2014 11:55:56 AM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: molson209
Doh! photo: doh doh.jpg Countless sessions in which he screamed about `wasting people' and stupid death threat video ....... That's the ticket, blame youtube!
8 posted on 05/26/2014 11:58:06 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: stockpirate

“Sometimes a person is beyond help of anyone. this young man no doubt had an extreme disorder, the people to look at are the parents.”
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I agree. There are times when a person is simply nothing more than a “bad seed” product. Such bad seeds can even come out of the blue to decent families and there is little they can do.

Is this the situation with THIS killer? I don’t know, but that’s always a possibility. Some folks are just plain evil.


9 posted on 05/26/2014 11:59:25 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: 9YearLurker

Mental health professionals are cut a great deal of slack when they consider someone to be a danger to self and/or others. The obligation to preserve confidentiality, which is normally something that only the client can waive, is trumped by the explicit duty to warn which is a legal obligation in all states.


10 posted on 05/26/2014 11:59:57 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
As usual the media are telling only the parts of the story that fit the agenda. His parents had sent the boy to one psychiatrist, one psychologist, and at least two counselors, as well as calling the police for a "welfare check". They had known for years that he was seriously disturbed. He got past all those people and tipped his hand with the Youtube vids, which he removed when he realized that they drew too much attention.

This should have been a case of involuntary commitment a very long time ago. He had been supported by handouts from his parents, especially his birth mother, in conditions in which it sometimes wasn't all that easy for her to do. The kid had plenty of money, apartments paid for, a BMW, laptops whenever he whined enough, and the wherewithal to drive to Arizona for lottery tickets and purchase three handguns. With no supervision for any of that.

His friends, such as he had, slowly dropped away as he became more and more overt with his obsessions. He got drunk, started a fight, and ended up with a broken leg. He threw drinks on couples for the crime of being happy together. This kid was way, way out there and it wasn't hard to see. But he was smooth and articulate. That isn't the same as sane.

It may be that involuntary commitment laws would have saved a half dozen lives. I am aware they can be abused. But they, and parents determined to use them, could have prevented this.

11 posted on 05/26/2014 12:00:19 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: tumblindice
That's the ticket, blame youtube!

It worked for Hillary.

12 posted on 05/26/2014 12:00:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Before this is over San Fran Nan will be blaming Bush!


13 posted on 05/26/2014 12:01:10 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I still think the Feds are behind a lot of these gun incidents and that hi-tech gadgetry whose existence is currently unknown to the public. The number seems to have gone (or the attention) up considerably during this anti- 2nd amendment president’s reign. In some of the cases the shooters claimed that they heard voices in their head before going “off the deep end” and shooting the place up:

http://www.jeffpolachek.com/mind-control/mc-research-docs/199-government-technology-to-read-your-thoughts-and-implant-new-ones

So the next time you see that plumbing van sitting up on top of the hill during a shoot’em up you’ll look at it differently...: )


14 posted on 05/26/2014 12:02:56 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I went to CNN yesterday and read the comments from one of their articles about the shooting. I would say 90% of the responses were blaming the gunman and not the lack of gun control laws or the NRA. I know that’s anecdotal evidence but I think most Americans aren’t buying the leftist spin on all this. Shame on them for trying to exploit this tragedy. Hell, they would have done it regardless.


15 posted on 05/26/2014 12:03:31 PM PDT by dowcaet
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To: miserare
The press should NAME that useless psychiatrist...

The boy did. He said the psychiatrist's name is Charles Sophy. The psychologist's name is Randy Gold. Apparently they did notify authorities, although it isn't clear just what that consisted of. You can bet their attorneys have them gagged at the moment.

16 posted on 05/26/2014 12:03:55 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Yep. His father wants to blame politicians and the NRA.

His father was a lot closer to the situation than politicians and the NRA so I put a far greater responsibility on him. He failed as a parent.

The videos prove the father failed at teaching good values and morals to his son.


17 posted on 05/26/2014 12:06:57 PM PDT by boycott
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To: boycott

I thought that was one of the victims’ father trying to score those political points.


18 posted on 05/26/2014 12:08:58 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: miserare
The psychiatrist has a duty, under CA law, to report to authorities once a patient makes a specific threat to him/herself or others. See Vladimir Tarasoff, et al., Plaintiffs-Petitioners v. Regents of the University of California, et al., Defendants-Respondents. (I link to the Wikipedia entry, because it does a fair job of covering the high level facts.)

The parents may have indeed undertaken a frantic effort in the hours before the rampage. But their responsibility goes back much further. Families in which this kind of mental illness is present typically engage in long periods of denial during which nothing effective gets done. That's when others get hurt.

I started to form a picture of the family environment when I saw the 22 year old student had a $65K BMW. There was, I'm certain, active disassociation from his problems, in part by sending him a check. To the extent that the family provided him a healthy allowance, they should be worried about the extension of responsibility (a la the Laurie Dann case.) I'm not saying there is clear responsibility, just that you can bet someone among the victims families is going to sue. And if his disclosures to the therapist were specific as to likely individual targets, the therapist should expect to be sued as well.

19 posted on 05/26/2014 12:13:37 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: 9YearLurker

I thought that was one of the victims’ father trying to score those political points.


I had read where the father blamed politicians and the NRA. I don’t know how accurate that is.

The only thing I am certain of is that the son was a sorry pos.


20 posted on 05/26/2014 12:13:55 PM PDT by boycott
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To: miserare
The press should NAME that useless psychiatrist, who had been treating the young man for quite some time.

The story speaks of a therapist. How do you know it wasn't a psychologist or a grief counselor?

How do you know the kid wasn't good at hiding his true feelings?

The way I see it, unless you want a police state enforcing thought control, the cops are here to pick up the pieces after the crime. We are left with chance that we will not be victims. We are left to our own wits to skirt and defend against danger where we perceive it. It's a better choice than the rising notion of enforcing behavior as chosen by the criminal elite.

21 posted on 05/26/2014 12:14:41 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: All

Why wasn’t Elliot Rodgers not in a lockdown mental health ward? How can a young man seeing several therapists and other mental health specialist(s) buy weapons? How is it not possible that this person NOT be on any lists that make him ineligible to own or buy guns? His parents were trying to have him institutionalized for christ sake. Why wasn’t enough information given to the police, before his gun rampage throughout the city? All this happening in one of the most restrictive second amendment states in the nation. I want someone jailed for failing to stop this guy.


22 posted on 05/26/2014 12:15:55 PM PDT by redreno (Americans don't go Gault. Americans go Postal.)
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To: boycott

His father did not blame the NRA and politicians. The father of one of the victims did. Get your facts straight before spouting off.


23 posted on 05/26/2014 12:26:21 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: redreno
Those are great questions. The answer to the one is that there isn't currently a means of attaching state mental health records to the federal NICS. Some states report some things - actual involuntary commitment, for example - and not others, such as credible threats. The systematization of this is fairly controversial - see this story in the NY Post. Gun rights advocates consider it abusable, but so do certain mental health professionals who feel it would place a chill on patient/doctor communications. States seem to be better at this than the feds where they do it at all. This was a big topic after the Virginia Tech shootings of 2007.
24 posted on 05/26/2014 12:30:28 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: bigdaddy45

His father did not blame the NRA and politicians. The father of one of the victims did. Get your facts straight before spouting off.


Maybe not but it was a headline of a major news outlet. You’re welcome to check that out. And next time I spout off, I’ll clear it with your ass.


25 posted on 05/26/2014 12:38:43 PM PDT by boycott
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To: 9YearLurker
I thought that was one of the victims’ father trying to score those political points.

You're correct. This has been a recurring error on this and other posts about this incident. The father of one of the victims is the one who went on a rant about politicians and the NRA.

26 posted on 05/26/2014 12:40:30 PM PDT by Oliver Boliver Butt
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To: boycott
From my understanding it was the father of one of the victims that blamed the NRA, but also read several other reports that the father of the killer also mentioned the NRA.

The most astonishing thing I read was that the father of the victim wanted to meet with the father of the killer to stop future killings.

27 posted on 05/26/2014 12:42:35 PM PDT by mware
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To: boycott
JMO-
Nor was he much of a man, as his sons behavior is that of a self-repressed, afraid to 'come out' homo in denial.
Who else wants to hurt women as much?
28 posted on 05/26/2014 12:44:11 PM PDT by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: mware

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2639404/He-lost-son-I-lost-son-common-Father-boy-shot-dead-virgin-killer-wants-meet-director-father-prevent-future-massacres.html


29 posted on 05/26/2014 12:44:32 PM PDT by mware
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To: mware

The most astonishing thing I read was that the father of the victim wanted to meet with the father of the killer to stop future killings.


Timothy McVeigh makes me believe they might need to talk about banning fertilizer too. muslim terrorists killed 3000 innocent Americans with box cutters and planes.

If they do meet, I hope they take at least a few minutes to discuss morals and values.


30 posted on 05/26/2014 12:47:47 PM PDT by boycott
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Rodgers was in treatment practically since he could walk. These parents, like them or not, weren’t like the woman in Sandy Hook, who denied her son’s illness and even took him out of school to avoid treatment...and bought and made the guns available to him...until she suddenly had to admit the fact that he was crazy and dangerous. But then it was too late.

Rodgers’ parents were worried about what would happen when he turned 18 and no longer had to go to treatment. They were afraid he would stop, which he appears to have done - but maybe not permanently. I read in another source that he was actually living in some kind of special apartment residence for people who had mental disabilities but were more or less functional (that is, people with things like OCD, but who were controlled with medication).

I think it will probably emerge that he was under treatment, although possibly he wasn’t following through with it, taking the medication, or whatever. And then, therapists are famous for ignoring warning signs. The Colorado movie theater gunman’s therapist “thought about” alerting the police, but then decided that he could sue her or sue the university if she did, so she just sent a vague note to somebody at the university and hoped for the best.


31 posted on 05/26/2014 12:49:38 PM PDT by livius
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To: boycott

Well some of us are capable of reading the whole article, and not just the headline. No “maybe” about it. If you have a source or a quote, post it. Otherwise, you’re full of it.


32 posted on 05/26/2014 12:52:13 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: 45semi

The kid was a spoiled brat. Liberals and Hollywood laugh at traditional morals and family values. Seems the kid and all the victims would have been a lot better off it Hollywood would shut up.


33 posted on 05/26/2014 12:54:44 PM PDT by boycott
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To: Kit cat

Please, do not interject facts into emotional knee-jerking reactions by posters.

It ruins the Karma.

“: )


34 posted on 05/26/2014 12:55:37 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: jsanders2001
So the next time you see that plumbing van sitting up on top of the hill during a shoot’em up you’ll look at it differently


35 posted on 05/26/2014 1:00:25 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: bigdaddy45

Well some of us are capable of reading the whole article, and not just the headline. No “maybe” about it. If you have a source or a quote, post it. Otherwise, you’re full of it.


Appears several read the same thing. And it was from normally very reliable source. I’ve been wrong before but no need for the tone or being a smartass. I’d tell you to shove it up your azz if you had talked with me that way. If you retired from the pentagon, you should know about being wrong many of times.


36 posted on 05/26/2014 1:04:05 PM PDT by boycott
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To: boycott
The videos prove the father failed at teaching good values and morals to his son.

Butt...butt....butt... his father was a very busy man.

37 posted on 05/26/2014 1:04:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2

LOL!!!! I will keep that mind!!!


38 posted on 05/26/2014 1:14:04 PM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
and had recently remarried a 22-year woman just months older than his son.

Dad and the new wife have a child of 6. Unless he was screwing around with a 15YO, your dates are off.

Reading the bio of this woman, Soumaya Akaaboune, it says dad met her 15 years ago. She looks to be mid 30s to me.

39 posted on 05/26/2014 1:16:32 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: boycott; bigdaddy45

I have been searching, and every FIND comes back with FATHER OF VICTIM says NRA... whatever.

NONE of them state that the FATHER of the MURDERER made that statement. Matter of fact, he has AVOIDED making that kind of statement.

What happened to YOU, and to OTHERS is that the info about the FATHER of the VICTIM making the NRA association has so far been INCLUDED in every article about the MURDER or FATHER of the PERP.

It would be easy to read through an article, and read it incorrectly, then retain it as ‘fact’.

If you check for yourself, I think you will have to admit that you and others just made a mistake. (Actually, it’s a trick pulled by the media. Don’t feel too bad, many fall for it)


40 posted on 05/26/2014 1:17:16 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2

If I recall correctly, it was a headline on Drudge that read, “Father blames politicians and NRA.” It is down now and I may not have read that article.

Personally, I believe Drudge is usually a pretty good source. I read other articles on this tragedy and watched a few of the videos.

If I am wrong on something, a simple reply stating the facts will usually do.


41 posted on 05/26/2014 1:30:48 PM PDT by boycott
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I reserve judgement on this horrible tragedy....although I directly hold the killer’s parents directly responsible for their son’s insane actions. I want to see exactly who and what this Satan maniac really was!!! My gut tells me “Hollywood Liberalism” is all over this, with his parents, his doctors, his family hid the nutcase in the closest....protecting him!!! But....we shall see....when the real truth opts!!

I suspect little, nutcase Rodger “Pajama Boy” was a flaming Obamabot in 2012.....but, we shall see!!! Funny isn’t it....seems since Obama became POTUS, we endure these incidents as a much higher rate then ever before!!! Why? Liberal/progressive/left-wing, Democrats, and secular, non religious lifestyles, drugs and unfettered, government corruption & crime across the board!!! Welcome to the “Hell” of Obama & Company!!!


42 posted on 05/26/2014 1:39:18 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!.)
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To: livius

So the parents were so worried about him after turning 18 they kept funding his BMW, designer sunglasses, computers, schooling, etc? They basically funded a terrorist. Willingly. No respect or sympathy from me for those limousine selfish parents. His whole life they gave him everything he wanted to assuage their guilt and pawned his problems off to other people. Even now they hide behind lawyers and spokespeople. They created and kept feeding this monster and now it’s evceryone else’s fault so they can keep their place in Hollywood society


43 posted on 05/26/2014 1:39:38 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: over3Owithabrain

Not one to blame LIBs for “everything”... In the 60’s, didn’t the LIBs close mental hospitals with the vague hope for “community care”? How’s that workin’ out?


44 posted on 05/26/2014 1:46:18 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: over3Owithabrain

Since when is making a couple of phone calls good parenting? Why did they keep supporting a 22 year old they knew to be dangerous? They paid for shrinks his whole life in the same way they pay for housekeeping and landscaping - so THEY didn’t have to do it. This who!e mess is an indictment on selfish detached celebrity parents and the systems they support


45 posted on 05/26/2014 1:48:05 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Billthedrill
there is nothing in this case history that would merit involuntary commitment

the standard of “being a danger to himself or others” was never met, this kid was smart enough to cover himself, and he was 22, way past parental control over his medical decisions or even being able to know his medical history without his consent

the so-called therapists engaged by his family really SHOULD be called out for malpractice. If they were doing due diligence to him, to his family and to the college and community, he should not have been able to fool them into believing he was merely eccentric

46 posted on 05/26/2014 2:03:56 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: UCANSEE2

I know I saw a couple of articles. When my husband said the father of the shooter blamed the NRA etc, I told him, no it was a father of a victim. I then had to apologize after seeing another article stating the shooter’s father blamed them too. I cannot locate it now, but it was there yesterday.


47 posted on 05/26/2014 2:07:58 PM PDT by ozaukeemom (Is there even a republic left?)
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To: mware

I fear that these 2 fathers will end up in a kumbaya press conference, both claiming victim status and both blaming the NRA and 2d amendment for Peter Rodgers’ kid’s insanity

I give a pass to the Dad of the Martinez boy who is crazy with grief, I see Peter Rodger cynically hitching his empty wagon to the victimhood train


48 posted on 05/26/2014 2:08:07 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Billthedrill
...could have prevented this

I wonder. By some accounts, the things that were done to check on him when there was warning might be what tipped him over the edge. This kid comes across as the same kind of nutty as the Newtown killer, only less isolated.

The real question that has to be answered is "why are so many young men so crazy?" They seem to be totally disassociated from any normal human emotion of those who suffer from their actions.

Until we figure out what's wrong, nothing's going to solve the problems. The ones who actually commit these crimes have to be only the tip of the iceberg of the numbers who seriously think in these ways.

49 posted on 05/26/2014 2:16:45 PM PDT by grania
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To: grania
I wonder.

Yeah, fact is I wonder too. He was very glib, very articulate, able to put a sentence together in his little screed. It was so smooth I doubted its authenticity. It isn't how I'd expect a person that disturbed to write. But the crazy does come through, boy does it ever.

50 posted on 05/26/2014 2:32:03 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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