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VA leaves deceased veterans to rot in morgue
Conservative Daily ^ | 5/26/2014 | Conservative Daily

Posted on 05/26/2014 6:59:59 PM PDT by Captain7seas

For the past few weeks, the Obama administration has been the focus of attention as allegations of widespread corruption within the Department of Veterans Affairs continue to surface.

All across the United States, employees in VA hospitals are accused of cooking the books and altering medical records to make the hospitals appear to be better than they actually were. Meanwhile, our military veterans were forced to languish in endless waiting lists, many of whom died while waiting to see a doctor for the first time.

President Obama was briefed on this back in 2008 and even though he pledged that reforming the VA would be one of the main focuses of his presidency, nothing was ever done to fix these problems. In the past week, the VA has approved veterans using private medical facilities in situations with exceptionally long VA backlogs, a crushing blow to those who support government-run healthcare.

These are baby-steps forward and there is nothing that can be done to bring back those who perished as a direct result from this scandal. But the VA seems to be moving in the right direction. That is, until I learned of another disgusting 'scandal' that made me absolutely sick to my stomach.

Today is Memorial Day. This is the day where we all celebrate the sacrifices made by so many veterans who fought and died to protect our way of life. While it is certainly nice to thank active duty military personnel or veterans for their service, this day is specifically devoted to honoring those who sacrificed themselves for the preservation of this great country.

A story coming out of California alleges that the VA left dozens of deceased veterans to rot in the county morgue for over a year without them ever receiving a burial. Many of these deceased veterans had been in the morgue so long that County officials didn’t know their names and were racing to find ways to identify them. For the past year and a half, there have been more than SIXTY deceased veterans who were left to rot at the LA County Morgue.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ericshinseki; impeachnow; obama; obamacare; palinwasright; va; veterans; veteransaffairs; yesterday
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1 posted on 05/26/2014 7:00:00 PM PDT by Captain7seas
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To: Captain7seas

I hope this isn’t true. I am finding this difficult to believe.


2 posted on 05/26/2014 7:04:30 PM PDT by boycott
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To: boycott

Thread from earlier today
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3160124/posts

video on this page
Outrage: Dead Veterans’ Remains Left For Over A Year Without Proper Burial
http://therightscoop.com/outrage-dead-veterans-remains-left-for-over-a-year-without-proper-burial/


3 posted on 05/26/2014 7:06:28 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

Unbelievable! I really don’t know what else to say. I guess I am in a state of disbelief.


4 posted on 05/26/2014 7:09:16 PM PDT by boycott
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To: Captain7seas
Let the misbegotten bastards who permitted this atrocity to occur be consigned to the everlasting flames of Hell!

The Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines: "We will leave no man behind!"

The VA: "We will resolve no claim before its time."

But to deny proper burial to the deceased, veterans or not, is beneath contempt.



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

5 posted on 05/26/2014 7:09:35 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ConorMacNessa

This is 1000x worse than the Abu Ghraib scandal. Let’s see what the mainstream media does to help cover up for the incompetent Obama administration.


6 posted on 05/26/2014 7:17:00 PM PDT by boycott
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To: boycott

Hope someone repost’s this in primetime tomorrow. This deserves to go viral.

Shinseki needs to be fired, Now!


7 posted on 05/26/2014 7:22:01 PM PDT by Captain7seas
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To: Captain7seas

With 5.56 or .308?


8 posted on 05/26/2014 7:23:09 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: boycott
The slimy MSM has his back - we must ensure that we have our Vets' six - as they have had ours!



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

9 posted on 05/26/2014 7:24:24 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Captain7seas

There is even a waiting list for cremation/burial... Just another one of those partisan politics Phoney Scandals, obviously.


10 posted on 05/26/2014 7:24:36 PM PDT by Rodamala (implied sarc tag)
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To: boycott

“VA hospitals are accused of cooking the books “

It is the same with govt. everywhere.

In Ohio, the big city school districts showed amazing improvements in attendence and test scores.

Later, they were shown to be cooking the books too.


11 posted on 05/26/2014 7:30:12 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Captain7seas

I hope this makes the news papers so Obama can become aware of this and be mad as hell.


12 posted on 05/26/2014 7:32:07 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: Captain7seas

sacrificed and forgotten

I knew the left were rabidly against the military and would dismantle our military capability given the chance... I just didn’t figured they’d gladly toss our servicemen and women into the trash bin as well

there should be charges, arrests and jail time for those responsible... including where the buck stops


13 posted on 05/26/2014 7:33:34 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: staytrue
It is the same with govt. everywhere.

Goes to prove that the government cares only about whether or not you paid your taxes.

Otherwise, they don't care if you live...or die.

This is the mentality that Obama has placed in charge of our healthcare...

14 posted on 05/26/2014 7:44:32 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Captain7seas

I’m not so sure the VA is the only guilty party here. What is the VA supposed to do if the bodies sitting in a county morgue haven’t been identified? Are they to assume that every Jane or John Doe who dies is a veteran and to be buried with military honors? I would assume that LA County, which has a long history of incompetence as well, would be doing everything they could to get the bodies in question identified and out of their custody.

There is probably more to this story.


15 posted on 05/26/2014 7:44:36 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Relocate and Dominate: freestateproject.org)
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To: Captain7seas

I went to the Memorial Day Service at Fort Rosecrans Cemetery on Point Loma, San Diego today. One of the speakers said that recently 21 veterans were collected from the morgues of New York City and they were given burials at a veterans cemetery in Long Island. The veterans had no families to take the folded flags from their coffins. Gold Star mothers volunteered and went to the funeral and were their family and took the folded flags.


16 posted on 05/26/2014 7:47:38 PM PDT by forgotten man
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To: forgotten man; Jet Jaguar

Final Resting Place for 250,000 Vets is a Tin Can on a Shelf

http://lamesa.patch.com/groups/trending-in-america/p/final-resting-place-for-250000-vets-is-a-tin-can-on-a-shelf_22356fb313707674

Remains of veterans, some dating back to the Civil War, sit neglected on funeral home shelves around America.

Happy Memorial Day: Obama Slashes D-Day Veteran’s Benefits from $300 to $6 a Month

http://visiontoamerica.com/17656/happy-memorial-day-obama-slashes-d-day-veterans-benefits-from-300-to-6-a-month/


17 posted on 05/26/2014 7:52:08 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Captain7seas

Shinseki needs to be fired, Now!


The sleaze in the Oval Office needs to be fired. Wasn’t he an expert on veterans affairs? He’s an anti-American dirtbag.


18 posted on 05/26/2014 7:52:36 PM PDT by boycott
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To: boycott

I don’t think we took these men to raise. I would give them a card on three reimbursement levels. level 1 is just an enlisted guy that never goes to combat. Level 2 is a combat Vet that never gets wounded and level 3 is a wounded in battle vet. Each gets more reimbursement at higher levels but they pay the rest. Let’s get off this maudlin crap.


19 posted on 05/26/2014 7:53:40 PM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: boycott

What in the world leads you to conclude that this is incompetence? This is an effort to run out normal people from the military and replace them with the loons.
Would you stay in the military when one of the reasons you joined was the promise of good medical care for you and your family for life after hearing these stories lately?
If you were a Christian and were not allowed to hear the word God or Christ during a service conducted by your chaplain, would you stay in the military?
Would you stay in the military if you were forced to room and shower with homosexuals and you were a Christian heterosexual?
These leaks are intentional and designed to get rid of normal people and replace them with the crazies. The military that is left after the purge is complete will be Obama’s military not the United States military. That in my opinion is the goal of the mistreatment of our soldiers and vets.
I wish it was incompetence, that could be corrected.


20 posted on 05/26/2014 8:13:21 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Rome’s Purge of Christians in the Military

http://bigfaithministries.com/romes-purge-of-christians-in-the-military-4/

Throughout history, a general purging of the military remains a persistent theme in tyrannical regimes. Absolute obedience to the state collective was considered imperative. The ruling elite feared any opposition or usurpation among the armed forces and were the first targets in screening their loyalty. Rome’s greatest purging of Christians in the military began around 299, in the years leading up to the great empire wide persecutions which lasted from 303 to 311 C.E.


21 posted on 05/26/2014 8:16:41 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: SADMILLIE

I won’t have an issue if that was the rule in place. If they didn’t follow the rules, then I have a problem.


22 posted on 05/26/2014 8:17:14 PM PDT by boycott
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To: boycott

Have dealt with the VA med system since 1981

I aver still, after this is out, what we all know to be true, obamacare will make the VA look like th Mayo Clinic


23 posted on 05/26/2014 8:19:25 PM PDT by stanne
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To: boycott

Have dealt with the VA med system since 1981

I aver still, after this is out, what we all know to be true, obamacare will make the VA look like th Mayo Clinic


24 posted on 05/26/2014 8:19:26 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Unfortunately, I believe you are correct. The people in charge now loathe our military.


25 posted on 05/26/2014 8:21:09 PM PDT by boycott
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To: forgotten man

You have to know they were decades old


26 posted on 05/26/2014 8:23:09 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

Been tied to the VA, since 1968, do to wounds in combat. yes I have Horror stories. If it had not been for my aggressive wife learning how to Play the system I would have left a long time ago. It has declined tremendously since they hung his picture on the wall.


27 posted on 05/26/2014 8:30:46 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: Captain7seas
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28 posted on 05/26/2014 8:35:13 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Captain7seas

A microcosm of the plunder and death from socialists. BIG GOVERNMENT IS CRONY SOCIALISM. Secret lists, death panels, rotting corpses is all part of the UNaffordable, UNaccountable, UNcaring Act, aka TOTALITARIANCARE.

UNaccountable bureaucrats are socialists. The pawns/willing accomplices of the agenda-driven, narcissistic, elitist TOTALITARIANS.


29 posted on 05/26/2014 8:35:34 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Captain7seas

To stop this,just start paying these government”Blood-Suckers”Bonuses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


30 posted on 05/26/2014 8:42:01 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: Whenifhow

All you really have to do is study a little history and what he is doing is obvious.
The rumors that officers are being asked if they would obey and order telling them to fire on American citizens, I believe the rumors to be true and also believe loyal American officers are being forced to retire or ran out of the service by whatever means it takes.
Here though is the problem for the traitors, Obama will not reward them, he will do the same as Stalin and say you betrayed your own country so why would I trust you.
I am quite sure walls are being built or plans made to do so for the MSM and other assorted trash that have helped this Chock Full of Nuts government achieve their goals. I hope the line ups at the walls are televised. I am sure Matthews will feel a tingle running down his leg instead of up when it is his turn.
Those that do the dirty work for this bunch are fools. If true Americans don’t get them, Obama will. Just a matter of time.


31 posted on 05/26/2014 8:45:19 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: stanne

Back in 1981, my Dad (a D-Day Invader) was diagnosed with colon and rectal cancer.

His private practice doctor told us to stay away from the VA hospitals. He said they were hellholes.

This took place in Cleveland.


32 posted on 05/26/2014 8:51:09 PM PDT by bimboeruption ("We Recognize No Sovereign But God, And No King But Jesus!" - John Adams & John Hancock)
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To: ConorMacNessa

>> The slimy MSM has his back

I now call it the Mainstream Ministry of Information.


33 posted on 05/26/2014 8:53:18 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Captain7seas

http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/05/triple-amputee-veteran-brian-kolfage-blasts-obama-powerful-memorial-day-letter-raised-hate-america/


34 posted on 05/26/2014 9:16:01 PM PDT by matthew fuller (No, I don't miss GWB- I miss Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld.)
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To: Captain7seas

If they don’t know their names how do they know they are veterans ???


35 posted on 05/26/2014 9:33:21 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Captain7seas; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

V A ping.


36 posted on 05/26/2014 9:36:13 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: easternsky

That’s what it takes. A good wife and a lot if fighting.

You know there are a lot of good docs and nurses in the VA system who help once you’re in ... But until then, there are a lot of heated phone calls...

It’ll be like the Mayo Clinic compared with BO care. You can’t doubt that?


37 posted on 05/26/2014 10:30:14 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Captain7seas

Nothing new with this, I served active in the 1970’s and heard horror stories then about the treatment of ill vets.


38 posted on 05/26/2014 11:58:35 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: Captain7seas
When my dad passed in 2011 he was buried in a Veterans Cemetery. It wasn't a National Cemetery but one managed I think by both state and VA. There really wasn't a delay as such but could have been if we didn't accept the morning burial slot open. It was on a Friday morning and the next time slot open was Monday if we had wanted the afternoon. Those type of limitations are understandable.

I worked at a National Cemetery on a Work Study contract back in the early 1980's while going to school. It was ran efficiently and professionally.

BTW VA only provides the grave, the marker, opens it and closes the grave, for veteran and spouse. They are buried in the same grave. The last I heard the dependent spouse burial is now about a thousand dollars. The funeral itself unless on active duty at the time of death as far as I know has always been a family cost.

39 posted on 05/27/2014 12:39:24 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Captain7seas

This is f****ing disgraceful...


40 posted on 05/27/2014 5:41:58 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: stanne

“obamacare will make the VA look like th Mayo Clinic”
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Without a doubt, medical care will exist in name only. Anyone who has ever thought for one second that the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” had anything to do with patient protection or care of any kind, affordable or otherwise, was simply not cognizant of reality. That name came from the depths of depravity where freedom is slavery etc. This statement is NOT a “matter of opinion”, it is simply an observation like noting the time of the sunrise.


41 posted on 05/27/2014 6:48:21 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Tennessee Nana

Because they died in VA Hospital more than likely. They knew there name at one time but dumb bunnies never kept tract of it in morgue.


42 posted on 05/27/2014 7:07:31 AM PDT by ducks1944 (GOD Bless the USA .)
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To: Captain7seas; Mrs. Don-o

ping 2 to same story

Are FReepers aware of the program “No Vet Dies Alone”?


43 posted on 05/27/2014 8:15:58 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Gene Eric

Or better yet, the Ministry of Truth.

Aren’t you excited about the Ministry of Plenty having control over access to healthcare?


44 posted on 05/27/2014 8:27:37 AM PDT by Cato in PA
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To: don-o
Where were the families? Granted some Vets may have outlive family or had none. The new one we got in 2011 out at John Sevier looked like they were active. Dad was one of the first 50 or so buried there I think and there are a lot more graves now. I think they average two or three burials a day which is busy.

As far as I know outside of private organizations vets do not get a free service. The coffin, vault, and funeral home service are family or vets responsibility. You have to show the funeral home director or the cemetery supervisor proof of service usually meaning DD-214 or a VA ID card for a burial plot. It was that way in 1981 when I worked student work study out at the one on Tyson ST.

But yes there has been a decline in a lot of things including TAPS for the deceased especially MOH awarded.

45 posted on 05/27/2014 9:21:59 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: boycott
I believe it 1000%. Moreover, I'll bet they also find along with those bodies, boxes and boxes of absentee military ballots never gathered from overseas bases or ships when the RATs held the White House in 1996, 2000 & 2012.
46 posted on 05/27/2014 9:49:23 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: boycott

Believe it.


47 posted on 05/27/2014 1:27:21 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: RKBA Democrat

As you note-—there must be another part to this story. I’m guessing the bodies in LA County morgue aren’t even vets unless they happen to have died on the street. Having helped bury several old War Horses in my own family I’ve seen how the system is supposed to work. When a Vet dies in a Vet Hospital the body is turned over to a private contractor who cleans, dresses, boxes the body for burial/cremation. Families, if known, are given a chance to upgrade the trappings and/or provide for a private plot or burial at sea. If the Vet is indigent the same contractor sucks up any difference and handles the burial in a gummint cemetery. There is absolutely no way that a known Vet should wind up in a county morgue out of custody of a burial facility. Guess I gotta throw the BS flag on most of the story without hearing the details.


48 posted on 05/28/2014 12:45:36 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: PGalt

When one studies the russian revolution(the bolshevik one)one finds that the military was a target group— to get them to mutiny and provide their arms and ammo to the bolshies. And they did, killing their officers.

Now, this is more sophisticated— to get all federal agencies armed and able to act as an internal armed federal police answerable only to the Executive. In so doing, discouraging quality patriots to join our military, they have then degraded the military and upgraded the gestapo, or staatspolizei. This is chilling. We must fight it, totally.


49 posted on 05/28/2014 2:43:41 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Captain7seas
From an Internet source:
The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) is the largest federal employee union, representing 670,000 workers in the federal government and the government of the District of Columbia. AFGE's National Veterans Affairs Council represents 210,000 employees within the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Has anyone asked AFGE leadership to resign?

Imagine Obamacare under total control of the AFGE or SEIU.

50 posted on 05/28/2014 3:17:41 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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