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Could the California shooting revive gun control?
PAUL WALDMAN ^ | 26 MAY 2014 | GREG SARGENT

Posted on 05/26/2014 8:52:53 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

No one was surprised that there was a mass shooting the other day in California. After all, this is the United States of America, the mass-shooting capital of the world. In response, a few members of Congress are hoping to revive the gun control debate. Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said on “Face the Nation” that he wants to push some kind of updated version of the Manchin-Toomey bill that would expand background checks, among other things. Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.),

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; elliotrodger

1 posted on 05/26/2014 8:52:53 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

This was about mental illness, not guns.


2 posted on 05/26/2014 8:54:49 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Pain is inevitable. Misery is optional.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

....or knives, or a car....


3 posted on 05/26/2014 8:55:43 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Election year.

lots of Democrats will run from this


4 posted on 05/26/2014 9:00:08 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

even with the media egging on these killers, mass shootings are extremely rare , less than 100 die in mass shootings per year in the USA( this is in a country of 300 million people where millions die each year).

The news media causes these shooters/psychos to seek fame .that’s why they do the “mass shootings”. the news media does it on purpose .their goal is to take away our gun rights so that we can’t defend ourselves against the government . even with the media egging on these killers, mass murders are extremely rare , less than 100 die in mass shootings per year in the USA. compare to 40,000 suicides, 40,000 deaths by car accidents per year in the USA. the media cherry picks 1 out a trillion quadrillion events and makes that news to control us


5 posted on 05/26/2014 9:00:38 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

eliminate computeer games, they are 1000% more dangerous than guns!


6 posted on 05/26/2014 9:00:48 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
No one was surprised that there was a mass shooting the other day in California. After all, this is the United States of America, the mass-shooting capital of the world.

Yeah, Chechnya is such a place of comity by comparison.

7 posted on 05/26/2014 9:02:01 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
HELL NO !
Mandatory Concealed Carry ... for every law abiding citizen ... is the ONLY way to go.

See a criminal, stop the problem, permanently!
8 posted on 05/26/2014 9:04:33 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The father of one of the teenagers shot in this rampage made a very emotional appeal for Congress to act on gun control legislation and specifically mentioned their failure to act after the Newton Ct. shootings.


9 posted on 05/26/2014 9:06:04 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: SandyInSeattle

How about “reviving” sodomite liberal control?


10 posted on 05/26/2014 9:07:14 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Oh great! Another run on guns and ammo is coming.

Every time they mention gun control, we all go out and buy more. Will the dems never learn?


11 posted on 05/26/2014 9:12:39 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Tagline deleted at the request of an offended FReeper.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Just note the source—another buffoon who knows nothing about anything except for his agenda, his Weltanschauung, and his paycheck. They are all wrong, but he appreciates his money. Silly, silly fools.


12 posted on 05/26/2014 9:15:01 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: mac_truck

and not one of the solutions offered would have stopped this kid from getting a gun legally.

As I understand it, (could be wrong) he was in compliance with all of the federal, state and local laws.

The mental health professionals have more of a hand in this than the NRA


13 posted on 05/26/2014 9:21:21 PM PDT by digger48
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To: SandyInSeattle

This is all about Hollyweird parental upbringing malfeasance.


14 posted on 05/26/2014 9:22:52 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

nope.


15 posted on 05/26/2014 9:23:57 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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When the perp was knifing people to death, armed citizens could have easily suppressed the attacks.

The gun control freaks can go to Hell.


16 posted on 05/26/2014 9:26:01 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Maybe we ought to have background criminal checks on all senators and congressmen when they first run for office and also when they seek re-election. Of course we’d have a pretty empty house and senate chambers if we did that.


17 posted on 05/26/2014 9:28:02 PM PDT by dowcaet
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

We’re going to destroy the Second Amendment and the Bill of Rights because some moron couldn’t get him any? That’s some dumb **** right there. I’ll never get used to this police state crap.


18 posted on 05/26/2014 9:37:32 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Consider the source, folks. Greg Sargent is a staff cheerleader at the Washington ComPost, and he's had his kneepads on for Obamacare and every other far-left brain dropping Zero's pResidency has thrown out there since Day One. To him, any dissent is a form of political medievalism. The actions of that bizarre little gnome in California gave them all a reason to reach for their dog-eared Manifesto and lecture us on the evils of (fill in the blank).
19 posted on 05/26/2014 9:44:43 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Liberals - destroyers of both men and civilizations. The Fourth Turning Cometh.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

They should start by banning the weapons first used in this crime and those were not GUNS.


20 posted on 05/26/2014 9:48:49 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I’m sure there are enough stupid people out there in the nation that you could get a couple to hold signs, sure. I’m sure the earwax-eating members of Congress could get right behind that kind of winning agenda.

Aside from a few wannabee dictators in the media and government salivating at the thought of a disarmed public, gun control is about as popular with most people as urine-flavored lollipops.

Seriously, cars are three times as deadly as guns, if you’re genuinely concerned about public health deal with the goddamned traffic first, then go after medical malpractice and call me when you solve those issues. Speaking of which, if it wasn’t for knives and a BMW the jilted bacha bazi from Santa Barbara wouldn’t have managed to kill the majority of his victims, so given that it’s a possibility that by toting around a gun may he have actually reduced his lethality.

An ***hole in a BMW is faaaar more dangerous than your average gunowner. Ban BMWs, it’s for the children.


21 posted on 05/26/2014 9:55:58 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

About the only further restriction that can be placed on gun sales is placing those who have diagnosed mental issues of a social-disconnect nature, specifically Aspergers, on a gun purchase no-fly list until they attain a certain age, for instance, 45. Yes it’s a violation of rights and therein lies a conflict, but there are other categories of people who are precluded from owning weapons so it’s not setting a precident.

We need to address the causal agent of the problem, not the fallout of the problem that, in this case, parents and therapists were well aware of but who’s choices were arbitrary and ultimately, wrong. Let’s put some channels in place enabling a judge to be sucked into crisis situations right away if there’s an out of control pre- or post-teen and let’s nip mental illness in the bud before the worst case scenario happens.


22 posted on 05/26/2014 10:00:00 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Could the California shooting revive gun control?

Hey, the Tyranny can control guns all it likes. I just won't be going along.

23 posted on 05/26/2014 10:04:55 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: This Just In

I am surprised they keep replaying the video to give the but more airtime. Must be liberal Hollywood dead.


24 posted on 05/26/2014 10:25:11 PM PDT by edcoil (Not a single republican was ever a slave owner. They were all democrats.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Why would it revive calls for gun control when most of the victims were stabbed to death or run over with an automobile? Shouldn’t we have demands for knife control or auto control since these were far more deadly than the guns?

Oh, yeah, right. We’re dealing with “Progressives”: emotionally driven, mostly fact-free, and certainly logic-free individuals. Folks who decry “climate change”, something that’s occurred unstoppably for almost a billion years on the planet. Folks decrying “global warming” when there’s been NO warming for nearly 20 years now, and with carbon levels HIGHER than the warmer Medieval Warming period. And let’s not forget “fracking”, a process that’s been in continuous use since 1943 and involves injection of WATER and SAND several thousand feet below the water table with food-grade “chemicals” like citric acid and cellulose, and which have not produced a single documented case of contaminating surface ground water.

Yes, to a “Progressive”, calling for more gun-control after several people were stabbed to death by a madman makes perfect sense.


25 posted on 05/26/2014 10:29:59 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

It’s California we already have gun control here..only the gang bangers have the guns..meanwhile when is someone going to bring up knife control after all the whacko did kill three people with a knife..oh yeah almost forgot..those there men won’t be mentioned because they were killed with a weapon the media knows can never be banned..All day all I see on the local news is “shooting rampage” he killed three people with a knife!! He killed three people with a gun..yes that is true, but that occurs on a daily basis in Chicago and no one says a peep because they are killed by gang bangers and no one is going to demand they give up their guns


26 posted on 05/26/2014 11:07:35 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Why can’t we achieve more knife control, as well limit access to BMW’s?

For that matter, shouldn’t there be more control over hands and feet, which are overwhelming used in disproportionate numbers, comparitively, to guns?


27 posted on 05/26/2014 11:08:25 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: mac_truck
The father of one of the teenagers shot in this rampage made a very emotional appeal for Congress to act on gun control legislation and specifically mentioned their failure to act after the Newton Ct. shootings.

Yeah, I guess the three people he stabbed with an assault knife don't count.

28 posted on 05/27/2014 12:08:20 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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...specifically Asperger's...

He wasn't diagnosed with Asperger's either.

Most (if not all) of the Asperger's diagnoses in these situations have been done post-mortem. That is not a valid method of diagnosis.

29 posted on 05/27/2014 12:56:41 AM PDT by j. earl carter
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I doubt that anything will come of the Isla Vista shootings. It’s the wrong narrative. This isn’t a case of a crazy, bigoted, homophobic, racist, sexist, right-wing extremist slaughtering anime-eyed, minority children. The shooter is the spoiled, mixed race son of a Hollywood producer/director. On the surface, Elliot Rodger and his family are everything the Leftist elites in this country treasure. He’s one of them; one of their children. He’s not the correct boogeyman for this story.


30 posted on 05/27/2014 1:22:16 AM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: blueplum
Well, the Newtown guy was autistic, but the Virginia Tech guy and this one are being called Autistic after the fact.

I would be very hesitant to get carried away calling for a broadening of limitations on 2nd amendment rights. Most all of us have issues at some point. Today, seize the guns from people with Asperger's: Tomorrow, maybe it's your guns being taken.

31 posted on 05/27/2014 1:24:44 AM PDT by j. earl carter
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the article I read said he had been diagnosed as Aspergers. Was the attorney wrong?

found it:
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27562917

“Earlier, Peter Rodger’s lawyer, Alan Shifman, said.... Mr Rodger’s son had been “diagnosed at an earlier age of being a highly functional Asperger Syndrome child”, had trouble making friends and had been receiving professional help.”


32 posted on 05/27/2014 1:27:40 AM PDT by blueplum
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Oops, sorry, didn't know that. I'm still really, really uncomfortable with a witch hunt against autistic people.

I suppose the take away from all of this would be: If you think you have Asperger's, don't tell anyone.

33 posted on 05/27/2014 1:56:10 AM PDT by j. earl carter
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I understand your point completely and do acknowledge the conflict, but I’m not sure what other solution to offer.


34 posted on 05/27/2014 2:06:10 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: dalereed

End stupidity by deporting all liberals would be high on my list.


35 posted on 05/27/2014 2:22:19 AM PDT by maddog55 (I'd be Pro-Choice if we could abort liberals.)
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To: mac_truck

The father of the psycho teenager is one of the main reasons for the shooting.

Pointing the finger elsewhere is a liberal trait because they hold no capability for self responsibility.


36 posted on 05/27/2014 2:25:01 AM PDT by maddog55 (I'd be Pro-Choice if we could abort liberals.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Hopefully it will spawn a new sport with open season on narcissists.


37 posted on 05/27/2014 3:45:00 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

So, no, this massacre isn’t going to change the prospects for national legislation on guns. Nor will the next one, or the one after that, or the steady accumulation of thousands of gun deaths, or the dozens of kids who are killed in accidental shootings every year.********

Well, maybe it’s because nearly 300 million non-uniformed combatants were killed by governments (mostly their own) in the 20th century. Far and away more than those killed in combat. Governments mass murdered four times more people in the 20th century through genocide, politicide and mass murder than through war. And the earlier centuries weren’t any better relatively speaking.

Government is easily the biggest murderer in human history and the reason we have a 2nd Amend.


38 posted on 05/27/2014 4:26:55 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: digger48
The mental health professionals have more of a hand in this than the NRA

Agree 100%.

39 posted on 05/27/2014 5:29:50 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

No.

It will go down the memory hole.


40 posted on 05/27/2014 5:33:22 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

An Un- teachable Moment of Murder in Santa Barbara
Published on Monday, May 26, 2014
Tags:California|Gun Rights|Gun Violence|Santa Barbara

By Rob Morse islavistatwitter2

Southern California —(Ammoland.com) This is an un-teachable moment. A young man stabbed three people and shot three people next to the University of Santa Barbara campus Friday evening. This should teach us what makes us safe and what doesn’t.

In his statements, a pampered and failing son blames everyone for his failures, everyone except himself. He drives an expensive car and lives a pampered life, none of which he earned. He writes about hating his parents and wanting to stab his step mother and brother. After his son’s death, a father of one of the victims blames the NRA and politicians who allowed guns into the world.. while his son was killed in a gun free zone.

Do you notice a pattern here? The father blames mental illness. A father blames guns and the NRA. The son blamed others for his problems. Unfortunately, you and I are also part of this same pattern. We refuse to learn from past mistakes and blame others instead. Rather than place blame, let me describe the next public murder for you.

The murderer has a narcissistic personality and demands attention. He wants his name in the news and will kill to get it there.
The attack will be launched against people in a gun free zone. Narcissists don’t like competition.
The murderer will have mental health issues and will probably be on psychotropic drugs prescribed by a doctor.
The murderer will be enthralled by violent video games and spends a lot of time playing them.
There will be warning signs, and they will be ignored.

Let me tell you about what the next murderer didn’t do.

The murderer will have limited exposure to competitive athletics. Narcissists can’t stand to obey the rules, to fail, and be expected to rise and try again.. just like everyone else.
The murderer will have very limited exposure to Christian religious training. Why listen to god and serve god when you really want to be god.. for a minute. Narcissists do not subjugate themselves to authority.

Making predictions about the media’s reaction to the next public murder is too easy. Liberal media will blame the NRA and lax gun laws.. even though this latest crime was committed in the state with the strictest firearms laws.

California is rated first among the 50 states for restricting firearms by the Brady Campaign.
California has strict gun-free school zone laws so there were no armed defenders within thousands of feet of the UCSB campus.
Santa Barbara sheriff Bill Brown so dislikes armed citizens that he refuses to issue concealed carry permits.

In short, this mass murder took place in a gun control paradise.. again. This crime should have been impossible if gun control actually worked.

Evidence says gun control doesn’t work, but we won’t learn from our mistakes.

Instead, liberal politicians will double down on gun control and claim it is for the children. The media will support them.

Here comes the new tragedy, same as the old tragedy.. until we learn.

~_~_

About Rob Morse: By day, Rob Morse works as a mild mannered engineer for a Southern California defense contractor. By night he writes about gun rights at Ammoland, at Gun Rights Magazine, Clash Daily and on his SlowFacts blog. He is an NRA pistol instructor and combat handgun competitor.

http://www.ammoland.com/2014/05/an-un-teachable-moment-of-murder-in-santa-barbara/


41 posted on 05/27/2014 6:45:39 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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Senator Richard Blumenthal: Santa Barbara Attacks Should Revive Gun Control
Published on Monday, May 26, 2014
Tags:AWR Hawkins|Democrats War on Guns|Gun Banners|Richard Blumenthal

By AWR Hawkins

AmmoLand Gun News

Washington DC - -(Ammoland.com)- During a May 25th 2014 appearance on Face the Nation, Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) said the attacks Elliot Rodger carried out with a gun ought to revive gun control in Congress.

On May 23 2014 Rodger shot and killed three people in Santa Barbara, California, and stabbed and killed three others.

Blumenthal told host Major Garrett that the loss of life in Santa Barbara reminds him of how Congress “was on the verge of passing legislation that would stop the madness and end the insanity” after the heinous crime at Sandy Hook Elementary.

He said he hopes “this unspeakable tragedy will bring back measures that would keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, who are severely troubled or deranged like this young man was.”

Blumenthal said he hopes the pursuit of mental health solutions will “provide a consensus” that will allow Congress to come together to pass more gun control.

Follow AWR Hawkins on Twitter @AWRHawkins.

About:
AWR Hawkins writes for all the BIG sites, for Pajamas Media, for RedCounty.com, for Townhall.com and now AmmoLand Shooting Sports News.

His southern drawl is frequently heard discussing his take on current events on radio shows like America’s Morning News, the G. Gordon Liddy Show, the Ken Pittman Show, and the NRA’s Cam & Company, among others. He was a Visiting Fellow at the Russell Kirk Center for Cultural Renewal (summer 2010), and he holds a PhD in military history from Texas Tech University.

If you have questions or comments, email him at awr@awrhawkins.com. You can find him on facebook at www.facebook.com/awr.hawkins.

http://www.ammoland.com/2014/05/senator-richard-blumenthal-santa-barbara-attacks-should-revive-gun-control/


42 posted on 05/27/2014 6:49:28 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Gun Control was always going to be revived. It will always be revived. Any excuse will do. Any accident- Any tragedy- Any murder- even any act of self-defense will be enough to gas up the truck and head down the Gun Control highway. There is undoubtedly gun control legislation already written and stored in a safe right now just waiting for the right event to occur. It will never go away.
43 posted on 05/27/2014 8:33:06 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

This too will go down the memory hole. People will forget this.


44 posted on 05/27/2014 12:45:57 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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