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Top senator says cost-cutting culture fueled veterans scandal
Yahoo! ^ | 27 May, 2014 | Meredith Shiner

Posted on 05/27/2014 2:33:01 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., said in an interview that Washington’s cost-cutting culture helped spark the growing Veterans Administration hospital controversy by encouraging VA officials to understate their financial needs both internally and to Congress.

Murray, a top appropriator and former chairwoman of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, had strong words for a department that she said not only faces chronic management issues but also consistently underestimates its funding needs and how many veterans will seek care each year. Though many Republicans have called for current VA Secretary Eric Shinseki to step down from his post in light of reports of secret waiting lists at VA hospitals across the county, Murray focused on cultural issues that extend deeper than one official.

“In an environment where everybody is told, 'Keep the cost down. Don't tell me anything costs more.' — it creates a culture out there for people to cook the books,” Murray said in an interview with Yahoo News. Administrators learn to “hide the facts, because they don't want to be told by their bosses, 'Don't tell me you need more money, because we can't say that,'” she added.

“Well, in the VA, if they need more money, they need to be able to tell us, because how else are we going to solve these problems,” Murray said. “So we have to change that culture and mindset.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: budget; pattymurray; washington
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So the problem, according to the Right Honorable Senator Murray, is that the Fed's DON"T SPEND ENOUGH!

You gotta hope this woman is too stupid to breed. A child from her gene poll would have a heavy cross to bear...

1 posted on 05/27/2014 2:33:01 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota
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To: LucianOfSamasota

I’m sure it had nothing to do with the vast quivering bureaucratic mass of stupid.


2 posted on 05/27/2014 2:34:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

The culture is one of federal employee entitlement.


3 posted on 05/27/2014 2:36:44 PM PDT by jimfree (In November 2016 my 13 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Spending is up 35% for the VA in the past 5 years, they spend additional millions on bonuses, and the problem is a cost-cutting culture. Got it.


4 posted on 05/27/2014 2:38:09 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Cost-cutting culture??

In government??

Surely you jest!


5 posted on 05/27/2014 2:39:37 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash,takes her talking orders from AFGE President Cox.


6 posted on 05/27/2014 2:40:44 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: LucianOfSamasota

And a report out today said that for the FIFTH year in a row the VA budget is more than they could spend!


7 posted on 05/27/2014 2:41:55 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Senator Murray, please tell us how much overtime was clocked by admin over at the VA over the past 3 years during this ‘cost-cutting’ period?


8 posted on 05/27/2014 2:42:01 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: mdittmar

P Murry won the dumbist congressional award 3 years in a row, until Clemens came along.


9 posted on 05/27/2014 2:42:34 PM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

They spent lavishly on the administrators’ redecorating projects, etc., and giving them bonuses. The administrator in Phoenix was still going to get his bonus, even after the secret waiting list was found out.

She finds it so easy to lay blame on others, instead of really addressing the issue, which is, that they had to show Vets going off the roles, so they hid them, to make the accounting looked better.

It was all a sham.


10 posted on 05/27/2014 2:43:20 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry when I read stuff like this. I’d like to laugh because its such obvious BS spewed in a Pavlovian, dogmatic way by some Dem hack like Murray. But I will end up crying because if the media has told this lie enough that our low information voting base believes it.


11 posted on 05/27/2014 2:43:58 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: LucianOfSamasota
It's great being the government as opposed to being a private enterprise.

If a private company delivers an inferior product at an inflated price, they go out of business.

If the feral government delivers an inferior product at an inflated price, they just stick a gun in your face and say you're not giving them enough.

12 posted on 05/27/2014 2:45:54 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

I stopped reading after I saw the Term “Top Senator” in the same sentence with “Patty Murray”.

Patty Murray is as dumb as a Box of Barbara Boxers, and that’s saying something. At Cocktail Parties, even Anvils, Hammers and Rocks mock her.


13 posted on 05/27/2014 2:46:06 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (If Cancer were Contagious, they would call it Liberalism...)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

See how well it worked for IQ points, Patty? I guess not.

Good grief...how blitheringly stupid.


14 posted on 05/27/2014 2:46:13 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Maybe the solution to this is to make senators and
congressmen, subject to VA health care instead of the
gold plated policies they now have.

I knew this was a demorat just from the headline...


15 posted on 05/27/2014 2:46:33 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
Find the Cost Cutting Culture:


16 posted on 05/27/2014 2:47:08 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Dems are going to capture this and blame GOP.
Just you watch.


17 posted on 05/27/2014 2:47:14 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Somebody water Patty - her leaves are looking a little brownish around the edges.


18 posted on 05/27/2014 2:47:51 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: LucianOfSamasota

What lies. The VA Budget in 2009 was $97.7 billion. In 2014 it was $153.8 billion. The amount dedicated to discretionary (as opposed to mandatory benefits) increased from $47 billion in 2009 to $63.4 million in 2014, which is 35% increase just for medical care. And yet the problem is the “culture of cost containment.”

I’d love to see productivity comparisons between the VA and large private sector providers but I am sure it would not look good from a cost per patient perspective.


19 posted on 05/27/2014 2:48:36 PM PDT by Dogfaced Soldier
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To: stubernx98
P Murry won the dumbist congressional award 3 years in a row, until Clemens came along.

Well there is always the bag of hammers or the box of rocks debate about which is dumber.

20 posted on 05/27/2014 2:48:39 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: stubernx98

She has officially wrested the Washington DC Stupidfest Invitational title from Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee with this comment. I mean, hands down, right now. I mean, they just called off the competition.


21 posted on 05/27/2014 2:48:50 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

“You gotta hope this woman is too stupid to breed. A child from her gene poll would have a heavy cross to bear... “

We’re too late! She already has two children, one of each. Problem is that stupid people tend to breed more than smart ones. Just look at who’s on welfare, they aren’t Mensas.


22 posted on 05/27/2014 2:51:40 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: LucianOfSamasota

I call BS on the comment, one only needs to view the VA budget to understand Pelosi is flat out lying. Budget up over 100 percent from 2006 when it was 73.1 BILLION to 2015 163.9 BILLION...so were is the cost cutting?
http://www.va.gov/budget/docs/summary/Fy2015-FastFactsVAsBudgetHighlights.pdf


23 posted on 05/27/2014 2:52:53 PM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
Typical Democrat demagoguery aimed at the LIVs.
24 posted on 05/27/2014 2:53:01 PM PDT by A message
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To: cripplecreek

Of course, I am stealing VQBMS from you.


25 posted on 05/27/2014 2:53:45 PM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: LucianOfSamasota
Sen. Patty Murray, Deceiver-Wash
26 posted on 05/27/2014 2:53:53 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: andyk

“Spending is up 35% for the VA in the past 5 years, they spend additional millions on bonuses, and the problem is a cost-cutting culture.”

Bears Repeating!
How do they get away with such asinine statements?


27 posted on 05/27/2014 2:54:33 PM PDT by griswold3 (I was born heI're in America. I will die here in a third world country. Obama succeeded.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Does she believe her own lies?


28 posted on 05/27/2014 2:54:51 PM PDT by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
'Don't tell me you need more money, because we can't say that,'” she added.

Worked in the military procurement system for years, and the HQ would beg us to order parts and office supplies to spend the entire budget for the FY. If we didn't, the next year we would get budget cuts.

29 posted on 05/27/2014 2:56:32 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Gee, the VA officials got bonuses because gamed the system to make it look like veterans were being quickly seen and treated. This is not only reprehensible it is criminal fraud. The VA is a bloated federal bureaucracy and by cutting the bureaucrats and paper pushers they could have more than enough money to treat veterans. Matter of fact the VA could be eliminated entirely and simply pay for veterans care.


30 posted on 05/27/2014 2:56:39 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: LucianOfSamasota
“In an environment where everybody is told, 'Keep the cost down. Don't tell me anything costs more.' — it creates a culture out there for people to cook the books,” Murray said in an interview with Yahoo News.

What evidence does this dope have that this is what happened? Zero. Absolutely none. But its a good story to say that people lied and cooked books as a result of pressure to cut spending and the DNC drones in the media simply repeat the lies.

31 posted on 05/27/2014 3:00:10 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Dogfaced Soldier
What lies. The VA Budget in 2009 was $97.7 billion. In 2014 it was $153.8 billion. The amount dedicated to discretionary (as opposed to mandatory benefits) increased from $47 billion in 2009 to $63.4 million in 2014, which is 35% increase just for medical care. And yet the problem is the “culture of cost containment.”

Everything about socialism is sham and affectation. - 23.11 Ch23; Evil; Economic Harmonies; Frederic Bastiat

Secret lists, death panels, rotting corpses. The VA is microcosm of the Unaffordable, UNaccountable, Uncaring Act…aka TOTALITARIANCARE (forced).

Socialism Is Legal Plunder - Bastiat

$17,515,327,000,000+ (US National Debt)

$89,695,241,000,000+ (Medicare Liability)

32 posted on 05/27/2014 3:00:55 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: LucianOfSamasota

This VA hospital scandal is a perfect preview of the Obama Communist healthcare that is coming.


33 posted on 05/27/2014 3:01:34 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: LucianOfSamasota; All
"Top senator says cost-cutting culture
fueled veterans scandal"


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34 posted on 05/27/2014 3:03:19 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: The Great RJ
Gee, the VA officials got bonuses because gamed the system to make it look like veterans were being quickly seen and treated. This is not only reprehensible it is criminal fraud. The VA is a bloated federal bureaucracy and by cutting the bureaucrats and paper pushers they could have more than enough money to treat veterans.Matter of fact the VA could be eliminated entirely and simply pay for veterans care.

BUMP!

BIG GOVERNMENT IS CRONY SOCIALISM

35 posted on 05/27/2014 3:04:05 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Isn’t she the original “mom in tennis shoes” or some such horsecrap?


36 posted on 05/27/2014 3:04:20 PM PDT by Marathoner (What are we waiting for? Where are the Articles of Impeachment?)
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To: griswold3
How do they get away with such asinine statements?

See the above post by A message.

Typical Democrat demagoguery aimed at the LIVs.

It is the Goebbels big lie repeated ad infinitum. It is relentless and shameless.

I get liberal friends in my face with this quackery all the time, and they swallow it whole. No logical argument will shake them from their belief. "Tea partiers hate all government; poor cash-strapped government; shrinking budgets; poor people losing programs".

I never have a budget table available to ask, "point out the shrinking budget to me".

37 posted on 05/27/2014 3:06:03 PM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: stubernx98

Clemens ? Who is that ?


38 posted on 05/27/2014 3:12:02 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

I just talked to a vet who’s waiting on a surgery I had a few years ago. He has an ileostomy bag and has been waiting a year to get his innards reattached. I waited 2 months, but my wait was totally based on my health. He served on a deck of a carrier in 68 and 69, 18 hours a day, 6 days a week. My point is, this is a real problem, this isn’t a time for hoes like Murray to score points.


39 posted on 05/27/2014 3:12:40 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Yes, the culture of the Democrat that knows they’re not likely to get a disabled Vet’s vote in favor of some trailer trash with no job, no education, no ambition but will gladly trade his vote, his baby-mama’s vote and his cuzins’ votes for an EBT card, Section 8 housing, SNAP, WICs for baby-mama-baby, EITC, TANF and all the rest.


40 posted on 05/27/2014 3:13:46 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: LucianOfSamasota
In other words, its the critics of Big Government who are responsible for the ineptitude of Big Government.

A typically cogent thought from the midget senator.

41 posted on 05/27/2014 3:14:37 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: LucianOfSamasota

BS


42 posted on 05/27/2014 3:17:31 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conservatives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: skeeter

The culture of incompetence created this scandal! You cannot throw money at criminals that use the system! But one thing for sure, now you have stolen lives Mr Obama. If you can’t kill em on the battle field you can kill em at home! Crimes worth hanging!


43 posted on 05/27/2014 3:19:58 PM PDT by DocJhn
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To: Marathoner

I don’t know-—she has approximately the brain power of a tennis shoe, that I can tell you.


44 posted on 05/27/2014 3:22:56 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Zathras

This is a scandal and the blame lies solely at the feet of 0. It should garner rage, not concern, glee, or whatever stupid emotion the GOP is exhibiting. RAGE! You’re right, the Rats will spin the GOP’s detachment into blame. Milquetoast calls for investigations, resignations, hearings have no place in this scandal.


45 posted on 05/27/2014 3:25:00 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

What an idiot. Maybe just maybe Obama could have addressed this issue instead of spending billions on making the hospitals green.


46 posted on 05/27/2014 3:25:17 PM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Isn’t this the hag Ryan chose to design a budget with? You know, the one that cut benefits to vets.


47 posted on 05/27/2014 3:27:33 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: andyk
Spending is up 35% for the VA in the past 5 years
Over the last 10 years it's almost triple that number ...
48 posted on 05/27/2014 3:33:12 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: demshateGod

This old, dried-up cretin hag is such a complete buffoon. Maybe if the VA spent less on new administrative furniture, lawn care and bonuses to the incompetent they would be able to better service the sick Veterans. Isn’t that their mission?????? More money...the never-ending DIM/LIB cry. What chronics.


49 posted on 05/27/2014 3:33:12 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

The Department of VA has had more $$$ appropriated to it for the past five years than it can spend.

We’re not fooled, Patty... try again, lying bitch.


50 posted on 05/27/2014 3:40:21 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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