Skip to comments.Majority says child born outside U.S. to one American-citizen parent isn’t a “natural born” citizen
Posted on 05/27/2014 5:32:13 PM PDT by Sam Troy
The easiest prediction of the 2016 primaries is that Republicans will have a profound change of heart on who is and isnt natural born once more of them become better acquainted with the circumstances of Ted Cruzs birth.
For now, though: Disqualified.
Fifty-two percent overall and 53 percent of Republicans think youre not natural born if you were born abroad to an American-citizen mother and yet, when asked point-blank whether Cruz is eligible to be president, 55 percent of Republicans say yes versus just nine percent who say no. When asked the same question of Obama, the split is 31/55 even though the Birther scenario in which O was secretly born in Kenya would put him in precisely the same situation as Cruz (born abroad, citizen mother, non-citizen father). Does that mean the GOP electorates destined to turn on Cruz once more of them discover where he was born, fearing that his immigrant parentage and Canadian birth have left his loyalty to the U.S. hopelessly compromised? Er, no. A reversal on this subject is far more likely. After all, you can define natural born various ways by place of birth, parents citizenship, or some combo thereof. For example:
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Welcome to freerepublic, that is a meaningless poll.
We should have all of our laws interpreted by majority polling data. What could go wrong?
So 52% of Americans are Constitutionally illiterate, good to know. I expected the number to be higher to be honest.
The MSM, who couldn’t give a damn about Obama’s eligibility, now care ?!
There will be an all out attempt by this Communist MSM to sink all Republicans candidates. Eligibility matters when its an (R), never for a (D)
There are a great deal of differences between Obama and Cruz.
First, Obama was born in Africa to an American mother and a Kenyan who never became a citizen that was not quite old enough to confer US citizenship to her child.
As for Cruz, he was born not too far over the border in Canada to a Cuban political refugee and an American mother who could confer US citizenship to her son and his father soon became an American citizen.
Wow K street and RNC are getting worried !
Well, I do not know, but my son’s mother is a citizen only of the Philippines. Our three year old son, born in the Philippines is a US and Philippine citizen. He has had a US passport since his first year. He would not, however, be considered a “natural born citizen”.
According to Chapter 19, §212 of “Law of Nations”, the concept “Natural born citizen” is a twofold criterion meaning that:
“According to Chapter 19, §212 of “Law of Nations”, the concept “Natural born citizen” is a twofold criterion meaning that:
Both parents must be the citizens of, and the birth must take place in the concerned country, assuming that the citizenship inherited by this child and the loyalty are never changed ever after.”
“First, Obama was born in Africa to an American mother and a Kenyan”
I wouldn’t be so sure!
There’s a Constitutional Eligibility ping list?
And how did you do that great font?
“There will be an all out attempt by this Communist MSM to sink all Republicans candidates. Eligibility matters when its an (R), never for a (D)”
I didn't. It's the logo of a golf equipment company.
So a child born to a military family outside the US but in a US military hospital is not a natural born citizen? Hey, McCain .....!
That ship sailed with Obama, newbie.
After Obama’s “elections”, all bets are off. That old standard no longer applies to , dare I say it? The New World Order; where rules are made and unmade as they go along. This administration has broken several molds and models of proper civilized behavior, and they continue to do so to this day. This is at least the 5th time they ‘accidentally’(on purpose) leaked classified data in a public forum. They put Plame to shame! “How much do I despise thee, Oh’ let me count the ways....”
Could you put me on that ping list, please?
“So a child born to a military family outside the US but in a US military hospital is not a natural born citizen?”
I don’t know the current status, but there used to be a law conferring citizenship on children born to officers serving abroad.
The Cato institute and Mark Levin say that Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen. That’s enough for me.
If Cruz becomes Pres, he will have a Canadian[Canadian citizen] and British[Commonwealth citizen] pedigree.
Or any military personnel or diplomat or any American who’s out of country I think.
Not for me though.
I don’t think so. Sheriff Arpaio is about to close out his secind criminal investigation on Obama and I don’t think the American public will be ready for what he has to release.
What difference does it make?
The sheep will vote for the first _resident with lady parts, aka the beast. Mark my words.
“Or any military personnel or diplomat or any American whos out of country I think.”
Now, yes. I was just thinking that a law established long ago might have some weight.
This is settled law. Some Important People here at FR have decreed him eligible. Case closed.
If Barry Soetoro is a “natural born citizen”, EVERYBODY on the planet is a “natural born citizen.”
See your FRmail.
Back when I was a Marine Corps brat, being taught in an elementary school on a Marine Corps airbase, that is precisely what they taught us.
I believe the 'rats used the power of the press and the magic of open primaries to select McCain, the weakest available candidate, for that exact reason; it prevented the 'pubs from challenging obama's bona fides...
Children born abroad of American parents are, by law, citizens.
A Natural Born Citizen needs no law to declare them a citizen.
“This is settled law”
What statute or court case are they basing this as settled law?
John Mc Cain was born at the Family Hospital at Coco Solo Naval Air Station, Panama Canal Zone. His birth certificate was signed by Captain W.L. Irvine who was Director of the base medical facility.
McCain’s mother, Roberta is still alive at 102. I think she knows where she gave birth!
The whole “natural born” thing is irrelevant with Obama. He’s an illegal alien and a foreign agent.
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Its a proven forgery.
Roger that. I’ll whack it from my ‘collection’.
Here’s the Statute: Title 8’ Section 1401 of the U.S. Code of Laws:
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years...
Glad to help!
She doesn't have any beasts.
“So a child born to a military family outside the US but in a US military hospital is not a natural born citizen”
If that’s true, it needs to be fixed. A constitutional amendment would be best.
It's been painfully instructive to watch the great American experiment be dismantled in this way, definition by definition, but perhaps the cycle is finally reaching its low and soon we can begin to reassemble again with a newly reacquired understanding.
Otherwise, Reagan's warning about that generational window freedom and liberty have is proving to be true and we've just about lost it.
Free Republic is not the reason a poll of this nature is meaningless.
The reason is found in this false and misleading statement After all, you can define natural born various ways by place of birth, parents citizenship, or some combo thereof,
No, you cant.
After reading several of the responses, I can see that most who respond have confused legitimate citizenship with natural born. A candidate can be a citizen and not be a natural born citizen.
The natural born constitutional requirement is limited to candidates for president. No other elected office carries that condition.
Article 2, Section 1
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Natural born refers to the candidates parents, not the candidate. Both of the candidates parents must be American citizens to meet the condition of natural born. The founders reason for a natural born president was to eliminate any possibility of a shared allegiance with the nation of one of his parents birth.
No amendment to the Constitution has revised that condition. Neither Obama or Cruz are natural born citizens.
Yes and No.
No if only one parent was born in America.
The child is a citizen but not a natural born citizen.
Yes if both parents were born in America.
The child is a natural born citizen regardless of the location of birth.
The office of president is the only elected office that requires a natural born citizen. Members of Congress do not need to be natural born citizens.
The founders had good reason to require a natural born president. Today, that reason may not be as severe as when the founders envisioned its need. An amendment may be in order but only after considerable discussion, the founders were very wise in all they wrote.
If thats true, it needs to be fixed. A constitutional amendment would be best.
It's not broken. It doesn't need to be fixed.
Suppose McCain had won.
What happens politically if there is a crisis in his native Panama?
Anything he says or does, or fails to say or do will be criticized based on the perception that his judgment with regards to his place of birth is colored by his personal connection and bias towards or against it.
Unless a foreign born president is a democrat, he will never escape the whisper campaign about how he is unduly influenced by un-American connections.
Worse, our enemies know this and would foment trouble in Panama just to distract and sow dissent in the enemy camp.
A foreign born citizen can be anything else, a senator, a top general, a supreme court justice, a captain of industry, is it really essential that they be the president?
Is having that one singular job worth risking the entire country's security?
Two politicians and two US citizen mothers.
Two politicians and two foreign fathers.
One politician claims to be half black.
One politician half latino.
The half black wasn’t vetted and got a free eligibility pass by the voters, Congress and SCOTUS.
The half latino won’t.