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Majority says child born outside U.S. to one American-citizen parent isn’t a “natural born” citizen
HOTAIR ^ | 5-27-2014

Posted on 05/27/2014 5:32:13 PM PDT by Sam Troy

The easiest prediction of the 2016 primaries is that Republicans will have a profound change of heart on who is and isn’t “natural born” once more of them become better acquainted with the circumstances of Ted Cruz’s birth.

For now, though: Disqualified.

Fifty-two percent overall and 53 percent of Republicans think you’re not “natural born” if you were born abroad to an American-citizen mother — and yet, when asked point-blank whether Cruz is eligible to be president, 55 percent of Republicans say yes versus just nine percent who say no. When asked the same question of Obama, the split is 31/55 even though the Birther scenario in which O was secretly born in Kenya would put him in precisely the same situation as Cruz (born abroad, citizen mother, non-citizen father). Does that mean the GOP electorate’s destined to turn on Cruz once more of them discover where he was born, fearing that his immigrant parentage and Canadian birth have left his loyalty to the U.S. hopelessly compromised? Er, no. A reversal on this subject is far more likely. After all, you can define “natural born” various ways — by place of birth, parents’ citizenship, or some combo thereof. For example:

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: citizenship; congress; democrats; immigration; naturalborncitizen; obama; republicans; tedcruz
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1 posted on 05/27/2014 5:32:13 PM PDT by Sam Troy
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To: Sam Troy

Welcome to freerepublic, that is a meaningless poll.


2 posted on 05/27/2014 5:34:40 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Sam Troy; Absolutely Nobama; aragorn; Art in Idaho; Aurorales; autumnraine; azishot; AZ .44 MAG; ...
Constitutional Eligibility

3 posted on 05/27/2014 5:36:45 PM PDT by null and void (Disarm Hollywood! No Guns for Box Office!)
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To: Sam Troy

We should have all of our laws interpreted by majority polling data. What could go wrong?


4 posted on 05/27/2014 5:37:17 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Sam Troy

So 52% of Americans are Constitutionally illiterate, good to know. I expected the number to be higher to be honest.


5 posted on 05/27/2014 5:39:48 PM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: Sam Troy

The MSM, who couldn’t give a damn about Obama’s eligibility, now care ?!

There will be an all out attempt by this Communist MSM to sink all Republicans candidates. Eligibility matters when its an (R), never for a (D)


6 posted on 05/27/2014 5:41:25 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Sam Troy

There are a great deal of differences between Obama and Cruz.

First, Obama was born in Africa to an American mother and a Kenyan who never became a citizen that was not quite old enough to confer US citizenship to her child.

As for Cruz, he was born not too far over the border in Canada to a Cuban political refugee and an American mother who could confer US citizenship to her son and his father soon became an American citizen.


7 posted on 05/27/2014 5:45:24 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Sam Troy
Wow posting a Super K street troll Allahidiot hit piece on Cruz from Rhino central Hotgas and you just joined !,

Wow K street and RNC are getting worried !

8 posted on 05/27/2014 5:47:29 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: Sam Troy

Well, I do not know, but my son’s mother is a citizen only of the Philippines. Our three year old son, born in the Philippines is a US and Philippine citizen. He has had a US passport since his first year. He would not, however, be considered a “natural born citizen”.
According to Chapter 19, §212 of “Law of Nations”, the concept “Natural born citizen” is a twofold criterion meaning that:

“According to Chapter 19, §212 of “Law of Nations”, the concept “Natural born citizen” is a twofold criterion meaning that:
Both parents must be the citizens of, and the birth must take place in the concerned country, assuming that the citizenship inherited by this child and the loyalty are never changed ever after.”


9 posted on 05/27/2014 5:47:44 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Oliviaforever

“First, Obama was born in Africa to an American mother and a Kenyan”

I wouldn’t be so sure!


10 posted on 05/27/2014 5:50:00 PM PDT by Sam Troy
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To: null and void

There’s a Constitutional Eligibility ping list?

And how did you do that great font?


11 posted on 05/27/2014 5:50:08 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: George from New England

“There will be an all out attempt by this Communist MSM to sink all Republicans candidates. Eligibility matters when its an (R), never for a (D)”

I agree.


12 posted on 05/27/2014 5:51:35 PM PDT by Sam Troy
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To: dsc
Yes. Rebranding the Birther Ping List to Constitutional Eligibility Ping List chopped the flack to near zero, while maintaining the core message.

I didn't. It's the logo of a golf equipment company.

13 posted on 05/27/2014 5:54:08 PM PDT by null and void (Disarm Hollywood! No Guns for Box Office!)
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To: Sam Troy

So a child born to a military family outside the US but in a US military hospital is not a natural born citizen? Hey, McCain .....!


14 posted on 05/27/2014 5:55:25 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: Sam Troy

That ship sailed with Obama, newbie.


15 posted on 05/27/2014 5:56:43 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Sam Troy

After Obama’s “elections”, all bets are off. That old standard no longer applies to , dare I say it? The New World Order; where rules are made and unmade as they go along. This administration has broken several molds and models of proper civilized behavior, and they continue to do so to this day. This is at least the 5th time they ‘accidentally’(on purpose) leaked classified data in a public forum. They put Plame to shame! “How much do I despise thee, Oh’ let me count the ways....”


16 posted on 05/27/2014 6:02:38 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: null and void

Could you put me on that ping list, please?


17 posted on 05/27/2014 6:20:55 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: SkyDancer

“So a child born to a military family outside the US but in a US military hospital is not a natural born citizen?”

I don’t know the current status, but there used to be a law conferring citizenship on children born to officers serving abroad.


18 posted on 05/27/2014 6:22:41 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Sam Troy

The Cato institute and Mark Levin say that Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen. That’s enough for me.


19 posted on 05/27/2014 6:33:31 PM PDT by EvilCapitalist (It's better to die free than live as a slave)
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To: Oliviaforever
' his father soon later became an American citizen.'

2005.

If Cruz becomes Pres, he will have a Canadian[Canadian citizen] and British[Commonwealth citizen] pedigree.

20 posted on 05/27/2014 6:34:06 PM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: dsc

Or any military personnel or diplomat or any American who’s out of country I think.


21 posted on 05/27/2014 6:39:40 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: EvilCapitalist

Not for me though.


22 posted on 05/27/2014 6:41:42 PM PDT by Sam Troy
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To: Timber Rattler

I don’t think so. Sheriff Arpaio is about to close out his secind criminal investigation on Obama and I don’t think the American public will be ready for what he has to release.


23 posted on 05/27/2014 6:43:38 PM PDT by Sam Troy
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To: Sam Troy

What difference does it make?

The sheep will vote for the first _resident with lady parts, aka the beast. Mark my words.


24 posted on 05/27/2014 6:45:17 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings. TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: SkyDancer

“Or any military personnel or diplomat or any American who’s out of country I think.”

Now, yes. I was just thinking that a law established long ago might have some weight.


25 posted on 05/27/2014 6:45:18 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Sam Troy

This is settled law. Some Important People here at FR have decreed him eligible. Case closed.


26 posted on 05/27/2014 6:47:45 PM PDT by ComputerGuy (BS, MS, PhD and a BMF besides)
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To: Sam Troy

If Barry Soetoro is a “natural born citizen”, EVERYBODY on the planet is a “natural born citizen.”


27 posted on 05/27/2014 6:52:52 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: Sam Troy

See your FRmail.


28 posted on 05/27/2014 6:52:54 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: SkyDancer
McCain wasn't born in a military hospital. He was born in the Republic of Panama - a foreign country. Have you ever heard of foreign-born military brats being told they were ineligible for the presidency? I have, and so have most of my family and extended family.
Congress made McCain 'eligible' by passing a motion. They conspicuously avoided considering zer0's eligibility, though.
29 posted on 05/27/2014 6:53:35 PM PDT by ComputerGuy (BS, MS, PhD and a BMF besides)
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To: dsc

With pleasure!


30 posted on 05/27/2014 7:03:20 PM PDT by null and void (Disarm Hollywood! No Guns for Box Office!)
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To: SkyDancer
So a child born to a military family outside the US but in a US military hospital is not a natural born citizen? Hey, McCain .....!

Back when I was a Marine Corps brat, being taught in an elementary school on a Marine Corps airbase, that is precisely what they taught us.

I believe the 'rats used the power of the press and the magic of open primaries to select McCain, the weakest available candidate, for that exact reason; it prevented the 'pubs from challenging obama's bona fides...

31 posted on 05/27/2014 7:10:24 PM PDT by null and void (Disarm Hollywood! No Guns for Box Office!)
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To: dsc
I don’t know the current status, but there used to be a law conferring citizenship on children born to officers serving abroad.

Exactly.

Children born abroad of American parents are, by law, citizens.

A Natural Born Citizen needs no law to declare them a citizen.

32 posted on 05/27/2014 7:13:03 PM PDT by null and void (Disarm Hollywood! No Guns for Box Office!)
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To: bicyclerepair
The sheep will vote for the first _resident with lady parts, aka the beast. Mark my words.

Words marked.


33 posted on 05/27/2014 7:19:51 PM PDT by null and void (Disarm Hollywood! No Guns for Box Office!)
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To: ComputerGuy

“This is settled law”

What statute or court case are they basing this as settled law?


34 posted on 05/27/2014 7:53:35 PM PDT by Sam Troy
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To: ComputerGuy

John Mc Cain was born at the Family Hospital at Coco Solo Naval Air Station, Panama Canal Zone. His birth certificate was signed by Captain W.L. Irvine who was Director of the base medical facility.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/john_mccains_birthplace.html

McCain’s mother, Roberta is still alive at 102. I think she knows where she gave birth!


35 posted on 05/27/2014 8:02:24 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Sam Troy

The whole “natural born” thing is irrelevant with Obama. He’s an illegal alien and a foreign agent.


36 posted on 05/27/2014 8:03:52 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Sam Troy
What statute or court case are they basing this as settled law?

I don't know. Stick around - you'll see Cruz's eligibility discussed from time to time.
37 posted on 05/27/2014 8:04:01 PM PDT by ComputerGuy (BS, MS, PhD and a BMF besides)
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38 posted on 05/27/2014 8:07:17 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Nero Germanicus
Pay close attention to the name and location of the hospital:
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39 posted on 05/27/2014 8:09:17 PM PDT by ComputerGuy (BS, MS, PhD and a BMF besides)
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To: ComputerGuy

Its a proven forgery.
From 2009:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2286521/posts?page=22
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=fred_hollander_1


40 posted on 05/27/2014 8:47:52 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Nero Germanicus

Roger that. I’ll whack it from my ‘collection’.


41 posted on 05/27/2014 8:52:26 PM PDT by ComputerGuy (BS, MS, PhD and a BMF besides)
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To: Sam Troy

Here’s the Statute: Title 8’ Section 1401 of the U.S. Code of Laws:
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years...
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401


42 posted on 05/27/2014 8:52:43 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: ComputerGuy

Glad to help!


43 posted on 05/27/2014 8:53:20 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: bicyclerepair
the first _resident with lady parts, aka the beast.

She doesn't have any beasts.

44 posted on 05/27/2014 9:04:35 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: null and void

“So a child born to a military family outside the US but in a US military hospital is not a natural born citizen”

If that’s true, it needs to be fixed. A constitutional amendment would be best.


45 posted on 05/27/2014 11:17:03 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Sam Troy
Decade by decade we've been dumbed down and our basic definitions changed out from underneath us, but at least a small majority of hope still remains.

It's been painfully instructive to watch the great American experiment be dismantled in this way, definition by definition, but perhaps the cycle is finally reaching its low and soon we can begin to reassemble again with a newly reacquired understanding.

Otherwise, Reagan's warning about that generational window freedom and liberty have is proving to be true and we've just about lost it.

46 posted on 05/28/2014 5:14:04 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: ansel12
that is a meaningless poll

Free Republic is not the reason a poll of this nature is meaningless.

The reason is found in this false and misleading statement … After all, you can define “natural born” various ways — by place of birth, parents’ citizenship, or some combo thereof,

No, you can’t.

After reading several of the responses, I can see that most who respond have confused legitimate citizenship with natural born. A candidate can be a citizen and not be a natural born citizen.

The natural born constitutional requirement is limited to candidates for president. No other elected office carries that condition.

Article 2, Section 1

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Natural born refers to the candidate’s parents, not the candidate. Both of the candidates’ parents must be American citizens to meet the condition of natural born. The founders’ reason for a natural born president was to eliminate any possibility of a shared allegiance with the nation of one of his parent’s birth.

No amendment to the Constitution has revised that condition. Neither Obama or Cruz are natural born citizens.

47 posted on 05/28/2014 5:15:58 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: dsc
“So a child born to a military family outside the US but in a US military hospital is not a natural born citizen”

Yes and No.

No if only one parent was born in America.
The child is a citizen but not a natural born citizen.

Yes if both parents were born in America.
The child is a natural born citizen regardless of the location of birth.

The office of president is the only elected office that requires a natural born citizen. Members of Congress do not need to be natural born citizens.

The founders’ had good reason to require a natural born president. Today, that reason may not be as severe as when the founders envisioned its need. An amendment may be in order but only after considerable discussion, the founders were very wise in all they wrote.

48 posted on 05/28/2014 5:35:07 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: dsc
“So a child born to a military family outside the US but in a US military hospital is not a natural born citizen”

If that’s true, it needs to be fixed. A constitutional amendment would be best.

It's not broken. It doesn't need to be fixed.

Suppose McCain had won.

What happens politically if there is a crisis in his native Panama?

Anything he says or does, or fails to say or do will be criticized based on the perception that his judgment with regards to his place of birth is colored by his personal connection and bias towards or against it.

Unless a foreign born president is a democrat, he will never escape the whisper campaign about how he is unduly influenced by un-American connections.

Worse, our enemies know this and would foment trouble in Panama just to distract and sow dissent in the enemy camp.

A foreign born citizen can be anything else, a senator, a top general, a supreme court justice, a captain of industry, is it really essential that they be the president?

Is having that one singular job worth risking the entire country's security?

49 posted on 05/28/2014 6:18:18 AM PDT by null and void (Disarm Hollywood! No Guns for Box Office!)
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To: Sam Troy

Two politicians and two US citizen mothers.
Two politicians and two foreign fathers.
One politician claims to be half black.
One politician half latino.
The half black wasn’t vetted and got a free eligibility pass by the voters, Congress and SCOTUS.
The half latino won’t.


50 posted on 05/28/2014 6:43:43 AM PDT by bgill
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