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Chicken Plants, High-Tech Visas And The Immigration Dilemma
Townhall.com ^ | May 28, 2014 | Byron York

Posted on 05/28/2014 4:56:17 AM PDT by Kaslin

Haley Barbour, former governor of Mississippi, former head of the Republican National Committee, now a political fixer and influential voice in GOP circles, says he first became seriously interested in immigration policy after Hurricane Katrina.

Thousands of homes in Mississippi were destroyed, "down to the slab," Barbour said at a recent conference on immigration hosted by National Journal in Washington. Construction workers were overwhelmed; many were homeless themselves. And then, almost out of nowhere, came help.

"We were blessed with a huge influx of Spanish speakers, and I'm sure a lot of them weren't in this country legally," Barbour said. "I don't know where we would be in Mississippi if they had not come."

The "Spanish speakers" were willing to live in terrible conditions while at work building new homes. The experience led Barbour -- who favors raising the number of high-skilled immigrants admitted to the United States -- to realize that "there is also essential lesser-skilled labor that we need."

The National Journal panel reflected much of the discussion about immigration reform. Of eight speakers, Republicans and Democrats, seven favored comprehensive reform along the lines of the Senate "Gang of Eight" bill. That's what passes for balance in Washington today.

The level of agreement was so high that some pronounced the immigration policy debate to be "over." All that is left is for lawmakers to find a political agreement to enact universally accepted principles.

That view, it turned out, was too much even for a former member of the Obama administration's economic team who supports reform. "There are a lot of people who believe ... that immigrant competition has hurt them in the economy," said Jared Bernstein, once an economic adviser to Vice President Joe Biden. "We can't leave those people out of this debate because (the Congressional Budget Office) and lots of other economic analysis, including much of my own, has found otherwise. The policy debate is far from over."

Much of the discussion focused on skilled workers -- immigrants in the so-called H-1B and STEM categories, whose numbers Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg and other tech titans would like to increase. It's a given among reformers that the U.S. needs to admit more of them, but Bernstein reminded the panelists that there remains a lot of slack in the American labor market.

"When you look at the skills shortage -- quote -- carefully, what you find is a lot of employers saying, 'I can't find the workers I need,'" Bernstein noted, "and what they're not saying is, 'at the wage I'd like to pay them.'"

It was a remarkable bit of candor in the like-minded group. But the real candor came from Barbour, who was quite open in his belief that the country needs more low-skilled workers to do awful jobs for low wages.

"If you go in a chicken processing plant in Mississippi, there's nobody in there who speaks English," Barbour said. (Poultry is his state's biggest agricultural industry.) "There is a very loud radio hanging from somewhere playing Spanish-language music. And this is hard, dirty ... work."

In fact, Barbour said, even prisoners in Mississippi's work-release program stay away from the chicken plants. "We have never had an inmate make it two days in a chicken processing plant," Barbour said. "They'd rather be in prison, literally, then work in a chicken processing plant."

"I am not very sympathetic to the idea that we're taking these jobs away from Americans," Barbour concluded.

Speaking after Barbour, Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies -- the only participant who opposed reform -- raised a critical objection. Why don't some of the agricultural interests that Barbour mentioned, the ones that need so many low-skill workers, modernize instead? With more mechanization, they'd need far fewer workers.

"I've been to chicken plants, in Delaware, and most of the people there are Americans," Krikorian said. "It's not a horrible, filthy place to work ... much of it is actually automated."

American agriculture could adopt new technology rather than focusing solely on immigrant workers, Krikorian argued. "When you have unending sources of low-skill foreign labor, the incentive to automate is weaker."

The discussion reflected a core reality of the immigration debate. The elites of both political parties support reform. But even so, there are a few voices -- not just Krikorian, but Bernstein, too -- to remind them of the costs involved.

"Those of us who support comprehensive reform," Bernstein cautioned, "if we don't listen more carefully to those on the other side, who believe that immigrant competition hurts them, regardless of what the studies say, we're going to miss the boat and we're not going to get this right."


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1 posted on 05/28/2014 4:56:17 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The only reason those “Spanish speakers” were able to be the construction saviors described here is because the government was doing everything it could to obstruct all the legitimate contractors who were trying to get in to the area to help. Being illegal, these guys were able to swell the ranks of the few local contractors and get the job done, while bypassing all the nonsense being piled on the out-of-staters.


2 posted on 05/28/2014 5:02:21 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Kaslin
The GOP elites should take note of the recent European elections.

The GOP will be signing it's own death warrant with amnesty.

/johnny

3 posted on 05/28/2014 5:04:57 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kaslin

Hey, Haley, you pay enough and you’ll have Americans working in those chicken plants, and conditions will be be better for the workers too, because they won’t have any fear of being deported if they complain.

Not that illegal immigrants have much need to fear being deported. However, if they rose up, unionized, and started making demands on the corporations that employ them, somehow, it seems that Big Business’s love of the illegal would fade out.

Supply and demand, Haley baby. Econ 101.


4 posted on 05/28/2014 5:09:09 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: Kaslin
Black unemployment in the benighted state of Mississippi is somewhere around 35%. Fat Boy Barbour hasn't noticed illegals in chicken plants in his own state?

Government prefers to keep African-Americans out of the work force and to supply major contributors with trainable, more docile, illegal immigrants. Hopefully within my lifetime, African-Americans will notice this, especially those serving on the Congressional Black Caucus.

"Spanish Speaking Low-Skill Workers" were needed in NOLA ... when half the black people there don't work? Haley, have another mint julep and STFU.

5 posted on 05/28/2014 5:12:55 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Vote for a gay African Marxist for POTUS? Sure. What could go wrong?)
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To: Little Pig

Forget the out-of-staters. How about all those unemployed men who were ‘victims’ of Katrina?

Could they not have done the work that the Spanish speakers did, whether they were camped outdoors, living in trailers, or whatever for a few months?


6 posted on 05/28/2014 5:13:59 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Kaslin
The author makes a good point about automation but misses another one completely.

"Immigration reform" isn't intended to bring cheap labor into this country. It's aimed at bringing a new generation of consumers here -- which is why the automation argument doesn't hold any water in this debate.

7 posted on 05/28/2014 5:18:28 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Kaslin
Thousands of homes in Mississippi were destroyed, "down to the slab," Barbour said at a recent conference on immigration hosted by National Journal in Washington. Construction workers were overwhelmed; many were homeless themselves. And then, almost out of nowhere, came help.

Gee, Barbour, do you suppose temporary work permits might have done the same thing? When we were in the Kobe earthquake of 1995, that is what the Japanese government did. There was no immigration category for construction workers. The Kobe area was seriously short on construction workers to rebuild. The Japanese construction companies needed construction workers and volia! Hundreds of mostly American and Australian construction workers suddenly came to the rescue on cultural visas.

They lived in tents mostly, did a nice job, didn't demand public services and went home when the job was done. Yeah, the cultural visa thing was a little bit of a stretch, but their temporary employers pointed out that their workers got cross-trained in the different construction techniques and the Kobe area got better housing as a result.

8 posted on 05/28/2014 5:18:32 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Kaslin
"When you look at the skills shortage -- quote -- carefully, what you find is a lot of employers saying, 'I can't find the workers I need,'" Bernstein noted, "and what they're not saying is, 'at the wage I'd like to pay them.'"

The tightwads will bury us.

9 posted on 05/28/2014 5:23:02 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Kaslin

For insight into rapacious businessmen, pols like Barbour, their love for illegals, and your food, just put ‘Jack Decoster’ into a search engine!


10 posted on 05/28/2014 5:24:45 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Kaslin
This article reminds me of a story I read years ago that I've never forgotten. The story involved Frederick Douglass, who had escaped from slavery in the South and became a famed abolitionist.

After he escaped and fled to New England, he worked as a laborer in the shipbuilding industry. One of the things that struck him at the time was that slavery was a crippling institution in the South even for the slave owners. This was because he and the other laborers who toiled in these difficult jobs -- many of them former slaves like himself -- had a better standard of living than their slave masters in the South.

11 posted on 05/28/2014 5:29:51 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Kaslin

Haley, please immigration reform is needed if we want to keep America the country we are. Strengthen the borders and deport the ILLEGALS!


12 posted on 05/28/2014 5:53:39 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: heartwood
"Supply and demand, Haley baby. Econ 101"

In Econ 101, when you study supply an demand, you also study elasticity and inelasticity. In certain situations demand may rise in the form of higher wages but the supply is inelastic so it doesn't grow.

The labor supply has a degree of inelasticity because it takes 20 years to produce a new worker.

And sometimes supply may increase not within the market, but outside the market. We might be able to get that chicken cheaper by importing it from Mexico or China. Or, I don't want to pay that price for chicken so I substitute tuna. Or, the chicken processor facing tight labor supplies will respond by not trying to produce more product(birds) but by producing more valued added product such as a cooked bird so he can make more money per bird.

Looking at the CIA factbook stats we have a birth rate 13.42 per 1000 and an immigration rate of 2.45 per 1000 and when you subtract out the death rate we end up with a population growth rate of 0.77% per year. But each year the median age of the workforce increases

13 posted on 05/28/2014 6:17:17 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

I worked post Katrina Const. the employment office was the Home Depot. prob 40 to 50 always there. All Mexicans.


14 posted on 05/28/2014 6:37:56 AM PDT by DocJhn
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To: Kaslin

So, effing RINO Hayley Barbour is willing to give away my country’s sovereignty because Mississippi got some houses rebuilt after Katrina. Well, just frigging hunky dory.

How many rapists, criminals, disease factories, drunk drivers, baby factories that load up our school with “Spanish Speakers”, use our hospitals for free, overload our social and financial support systems, and on and on did that get us, Haley? How many? Too damned many you traitor!

They are going to give us nothing but 2nd and 3rd generation “Spanish Speaker” children whom they will have taught to hate this country of Gringos and to use it, not paying back one damned dime.


15 posted on 05/28/2014 6:38:47 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kenny Bunk

These carpet mills, chicken plants, agribusinesses, fast food joints, construction industry, et al are in for a very rude awakening when they’ve finally won their goal of getting a cheap and pliable foreign work source.

They’ll be Citizen Reconquista who will be intimately knowledgeable about unions, work laws and BENEFITS.

You all like them now because you have their illegality to hold over them; you won’t have that when the RINOs you’ve sponsored and the Democrats you’ve bought give them citizenship. You are all fools on a ship of fools.


16 posted on 05/28/2014 6:42:02 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin

The reason these builders and others want illegals is because they can pay them squat, no benefits and treat them like carpola and they cannot complain.

We have a gazillion chicken plants in GA and plenty of people who need work. Haley Barbour is a GOP progressive tool.


17 posted on 05/28/2014 6:56:55 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: DocJhn
I'm retired but back in the 90s boom I sold industrial equipment that had to be installed/erected which I contracted out or hired temp labor from an agency because they provided liability and workmans comp.

But my preferred arrangement was to use the customer's employees and I would provide supervision, tools, and ladders. Those customers with illegal employees would often chose this arrangement so I've done my share of that.

18 posted on 05/28/2014 6:58:56 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Here I was doing it the hard way! Buying chicks.

I didn’t know you could grow them on plants!


19 posted on 05/28/2014 7:00:43 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kaslin
"They'd rather be in prison, literally, then work in a chicken processing plant."

Then prison conditions are too good.

20 posted on 05/28/2014 7:15:13 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
The labor supply has a degree of inelasticity because it takes 20 years to produce a new worker.

Or two weeks without a welfare check.

21 posted on 05/28/2014 7:18:28 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: heartwood

At one time all those plants had Americans working in them. Nobody wants to work with Mexicans in them.
When I was young I worked in a turkey plant. When the Mexicans started moving in I left. I went to a potato shed and worked the onions in that same shed. The Mexicans started moving into the onion shed and eventually into the potato sheds. Now a white person can’t be found.
No one wants to work with them. That’s the truth.


22 posted on 05/28/2014 7:20:45 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Georgia Girl 2
The reason these builders and others want illegals is because they can pay them squat, no benefits and treat them like crapola and they cannot complain.

H1-B visas work pretty much the same way. Some corporations are eager to sell out America.

23 posted on 05/28/2014 7:38:41 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

We never hired anyone there as the skill level was above the average worker.
Don Tyson is the King of bringing bus loads of Mexican labor to NW AR. To staff his Chicken and Turkey Plants! Which ultimately affected the Construction industry with cheap underbid projects. Not all Mexicans wanted to stay Chicken Plant workers.


24 posted on 05/28/2014 7:44:30 AM PDT by DocJhn
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To: Kaslin
FTA: "I am not very sympathetic to the idea that we're taking these jobs away from Americans," Barbour concluded.

Haley, that's because the taking away of jobs started in the 70s and 80s while you weren't watching. Today, it's a fait accompli and you're a fool for advocating that we wash, rinse, & repeat the cycle through amnesty.

25 posted on 05/28/2014 8:13:00 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Kaslin

In Arkansas BLAME WALMART!

Back in the dark ages this area was in the economic stranglehold of the Chicken Men! you worked at their starvation wages or you didn’t work. People here were too poor to go to where jobs were.

Then Sam Walton started his Walmart stores and things began to change. He offered better wages than the Chicken Men so workers deserted the chicken plants to work for Sam.

An accountant working for the Chicken Men found a way to increase wages in the processing plants .25 cents an hour(which was worth a couple of dollars in today’s money) and it would not affect the bottom line of the companies.

I still remember the words of the President of the local Chicken company...”I’m not going to give them .25 cents an hour raise!”

He was the first Chicken Man to go to Mexico and bring in bus loads of workers to replace those who had gone to Walmart.


26 posted on 05/28/2014 8:36:18 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Kaslin

175 years ago Barbour would have been extolling the virtues of owning negros. Big Chicken, Big Sheetrock, Big Cotton... the tune is the same.


27 posted on 05/28/2014 8:41:02 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Kaslin
Re: “I've been to chicken plants, in Delaware, and most of the people there are Americans,” Krikorian said. “It's not a horrible, filthy place to work ... much of it is actually automated.”

The quote is from Mark Krikorian, a senior executive at the Center for Immigration Studies.

Krikorian used to be one of the people I admired most in the Immigration debate.

Unfortunately, about 6 months ago, Krikorian wrote a long essay at National Review Online where he advocated that “several million” of the 12 million illegal aliens be put on a path to citizenship.

He also advocated several other compromises with the “Gang of Eight” Amnesty.

Literally - there is NO one in the GOP leadership who can be completely trusted anymore on the Immigration issue!

28 posted on 05/28/2014 8:48:15 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: DocJhn
I know a little bit about that. I lived in DFW and recreated often in SW AR(stream bass fishing), Tyson Country with many poultry barns and processing plants. Those years from the late 70s into the oughties I frequently traveled thru DeQueen and observed over time that labor force/local population shift from white to Hispanic. Then in the oughties I retired first in Rogers for a short while then moved to Mountain Home(trout fishing). NW AR is wall to wall illegals but there ain't any in Mountain Home.

Anyway, Bill Clinton started Basic Pilot and Tyson was one of the first companies to use that. Tyson(or any company participating) checks their new hires against fedgovs list and if the new hire is on the list, they can't hire them. It catches a lot of them, but it wasn't foolproof so some illegals slipped thru the system. They all knew it wasn't perfect. Tyson knew it, Clinton and fedgov knew it.

But Clinton thought Tyson was gaming the system. That Tyson was targeting illegals in their recruitment programs, knowing that a percentage of these illegals they were targeting would slip thru the system.

So in 1998 Clinton went after Tyson on a criminal prosecution. Before this the govt only used civil prosecutions. And Clinton was going after corporate management. The Justice Dept ended up with over 200 indictments but when the case got into court the judge thru all but a few of them out.

The verdict came down in 2004 when Bush was prez and there were only two convictions with the jury foreman saying that if fedgov can't accurately say who is legal and who is illegal, how is Tyson supposed to know or say who is or isn't. They convicted a couple of local Tyson plant managers in MS and LA for knowingly hiring illegals.

That decision set the precedents for Bush and Obama. Criminal prosecutions are few and far between. Mostly civil prosecutions.

29 posted on 05/28/2014 8:49:49 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Kaslin

The guy up the street is a skilled union tradesman who, about a year after Obama got elected, managed to scam his way onto SSI/SNAP and now spends his days sitting around drinking and watching porn.

Get every single guy like THAT off his duff and out there rebuilding hurricane-ravaged areas. Then if we still need more immigrant help, we can talk.


30 posted on 05/28/2014 8:56:29 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: heartwood
I have worked at a chicken plant in Mississippi. And it is a dirty hard job. I know H.B couldn't make a day there. But Haley had us ( regular Mississippians )believing in him after Katrina but he picked the big power and money lobby. The racial ratio in the chicken industry in Mississippi is 60% hispanic, 30% white ( maintenance department) and 10 % mixed clerical workers. And there is a undercurrent of theft and corruption so prevalent that it would seem a mandated thing.
Lots of inmate workers won't stay because the hispanic gang which controls the day to day work areas don't take their crap. So gang affiliation wont help the black gangs (unless the ratio is changed by forced inmate labor. That, of course, is off the table with the current protected status they enjoy in prison). So current political winds tie in with this underclass.
The poor imigrant. In reality, unaffiliated hispanic workers who are not at least sympathetic to the controlling hispanic group have a tough time getting promotions and may have to pay someone for protection. Pay enough and there wouldn't be any need to send frozen chickens to China to be processed.But that;s probably chickens from the mid country farms as the system is fixed for us down south
The top 10 % get paid like teachers in Miss. just shut up keep quiet and do your job. Maintenance workers get purged in pogroms designed to keep the vocal trade workers from getting a chance to do any harm. But that's not likely. The press would have to be interested in helping the working class to expose what goes on just to get that tasty piece of chicken on you plate. And as we know, that wont happen anytime soon.
31 posted on 05/28/2014 8:57:27 AM PDT by Boowhoknew
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To: Kaslin
""We have never had an inmate make it two days in a chicken processing plant," Barbour said."

There is no more hostile work place for a non-"spanish speaker" than one where "spanish speakers" have taken over.

32 posted on 05/28/2014 9:03:05 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Alberta's Child

Re: “Immigration reform” isn’t intended to bring cheap labor into this country. It’s aimed at bringing a new generation of consumers here — which is why the automation argument doesn’t hold any water in this debate.”

You make an important point, Alberta.

But I disagree with your math.

Immigration is the political subject I know best, and I think mass LEGAL immigration serves four purposes, all of them with some level of importance.

(1) Cheap and docile labor
(2) New consumers for American business
(3) Temporary income stream for Baby Boomer’s Social Security-Medicare
(4) Democrat Party voters

I think #4 is the most important.

New immigrant citizens vote 80% for the Democrat Party.

If they voted 80% Conservative, the Democrat Party would totally shut down legal immigration, and they would do it INSTANTLY.


33 posted on 05/28/2014 9:08:07 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Carry_Okie

Cut off welfare and there will be riots. There was a glitch in the EBT cards in a GA county and the angry baby mamas breathing fire were lined up outside the welfare office before it opened the next morning. One of them actually said, “what about my children? Sombody’s got to pay for my children; somebody has to be responsibile .” No one put a mirror in front of her to show her who that somebody ought to be. The social worker just assured them the money would soon be available.
This situation occurred less than 8 hours after money was supposed to be deposited in their accounts. Two weeks without funds and I imagine our major cities would burn.


34 posted on 05/28/2014 9:27:28 AM PDT by kalee
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To: kalee
Cut off welfare and there will be riots.

Funny, I don't recall a power in the Constitution that allows Congress to function as an accessory to extortion (hint: the "welfare clause" isn't it). Once it starts, there is no end to it without paying the price of blood. Therefore, the disastrous results are inevitable.

So the real question is: Pay it now, or pay more later?

35 posted on 05/28/2014 9:59:29 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Alberta's Child

From de Tocqueville observing the difference between slave state Kentucky and free state Ohio:

“Upon the left bank of the stream the population is rare; from time to time one descries a troop of slaves loitering in the half-desert fields; the primaeval forest recurs at every turn; society seems to be asleep, man to be idle, and nature alone offers a scene of activity and of life. From the right bank, on the contrary, a confused hum is heard which proclaims the presence of industry; the fields are covered with abundant harvests, the elegance of the dwellings announces the taste and activity of the laborer, and man appears to be in the enjoyment of that wealth and contentment which is the reward of labor.”


36 posted on 05/28/2014 11:43:49 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: sheana

Why don’t Americans want to work with them? Language barrier and only friendly to each other? Or is it something else?


37 posted on 05/28/2014 1:52:52 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: heartwood

Language barrier is one reason. Younger Mexican men leer at young white women and show them no respect. Then the Mexican women don’t like you because their men do. I also worked with South American men. Only thing that saved me was I was in a position that could give them orders. Boy do some of them hate that. It is all cultural. Part of their macho man thing.


38 posted on 05/28/2014 2:58:09 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Kaslin; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
Ping!

Click the keyword Aliens to see more illegal alien, border security, and other related threads.

EAT MOR CHIKIN!

39 posted on 05/28/2014 3:33:36 PM PDT by HiJinx (Bunkerville - where the government made the Government. back down.)
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To: WKB; onyx; petitfour

Haley Barbour ping.


40 posted on 05/28/2014 4:01:15 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Kaslin
"We were blessed with a huge influx of Spanish speakers, and I'm sure a lot of them weren't in this country legally," Barbour said. "I don't know where we would be in Mississippi if they had not come."

The "Spanish speakers" were willing to live in terrible conditions while at work building new homes. The experience led Barbour -- who favors raising the number of high-skilled immigrants admitted to the United States -- to realize that "there is also essential lesser-skilled labor that we need."

Yes, third world people are grateful for jobs... Why stop with trades people? Let's bring in a few hundred thousand to compete with our politicians and 'journalists'. Most of 'em will work for very little and be extremely grateful. People from India can write 'news copy' for $12.00 an hour and never complain. Government workers can be replaced too - again folks from India and the Philippines will be joyful to have a chance to earn ten bucks an hour and we won't a have to pay benefits. Is that the 'new' American way? Slavery-lite?

Even people like Haley and his friends can have people competing with them - willing to work for slave wages. How would fat old Haley like that? You can take someone like Haley Barbour out of the Jim Crow south, but it's hard to take Jim Crow thinking out of Haley Barbour types. What a jerk... he might as well be a Democrat. Haley we're NOT going to allow you and your friends to force us to compete with the third world while also being forced to pay for 'job training' for people who have been taught to be dependent.

41 posted on 05/28/2014 4:02:01 PM PDT by GOPJ (>The Mainstream Ministry of Information does not stand for liberty. Freeper Gene Eric)
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To: Kaslin

And then there’s this:

Gov. Barbour’s ‘Disadvantaged’ Relative Masterminded $100 Million Of Post-Katrina FEMA Fraud

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/gov-barbours-disadvantaged-relative-f


42 posted on 05/28/2014 4:03:04 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Carry_Okie

And here I thought the cost of labor was the reason we needed to have all our chickens processed in China. So we’re sending chickens to China for processing.

But now we need illegals to do that work. Because they haven’t already been doing that work for cheap.

Pick one.


43 posted on 05/28/2014 4:10:30 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: HiJinx

Thanks for the ping.

Mr. Barbour makes me sick with his bad imitation of a Southern plantation owner.

Just seems like he’s bound and determined to validate a lot of ugly stereotypes.

But he’s no Republican. Just a Blue Dog Democrat, lookin’ for some more darkies to do the dirty work for him.


44 posted on 05/28/2014 4:16:20 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: GOPJ; Boowhoknew; Little Pig; Gaffer

Ping to 42


45 posted on 05/28/2014 4:17:59 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: GOPJ
but it's hard to take Jim Crow thinking out of Haley Barbour types

Ay-yup.

Uncle Tom...Tio Tomas...he don't care as long as they fetch that drink for him.

46 posted on 05/28/2014 4:18:13 PM PDT by Regulator
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And here I thought the cost of labor was the reason we needed to have all our chickens processed in China.

Well in that case there's one other thing: The Chinese can ignore American ambulance chasers.

47 posted on 05/28/2014 4:35:11 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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Had enough Haley too ping


48 posted on 05/28/2014 4:37:20 PM PDT by WKB
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To: Black Agnes

Thanks...


49 posted on 05/28/2014 5:00:27 PM PDT by GOPJ (>The Mainstream Ministry of Information does not stand for liberty. Freeper Gene Eric)
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I agree. We cannot go on as we are, but I do believe when the gravy train comes to an end it will be ugly.


50 posted on 05/28/2014 8:29:39 PM PDT by kalee
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