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California's Strictest Gun Laws Didn't Stop ElliotRodger
Investor's Business Daily ^ | May 28,2014 | IBD EDITORIALS

Posted on 05/28/2014 9:48:11 AM PDT by raptor22

Guns: The Santa Barbara shooter had legally purchased and registered firearms, and passed prior questioning by the police who saw no danger to himself or others. More gun laws won't stop the next such shooter, either.

It is eerie how the mental health of the shooter consistently seems to emerge as a key factor in mass shootings such as the rampage by Elliot Rodger, who killed six and wounded 13 on Friday. The shooter had been in therapy since age 8 and police had been warned by his parents to check him out.

Yet few liberals cry for tougher mental health laws compared with demands for tougher gun control. It would surprise these liberals that "right-wing bitter clingers" and even the NRA agree that some people shouldn't have access to guns — people such as Elliot Rodger.

The question is how to realistically and constitutionally do it. Instead of answering that question, we hear cries for "tougher" laws. But tougher than what?

Last December the Los Angeles Times noted in a report that California had the strictest gun control laws in the country and had received an A- grade in a state-by-state analysis by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; banglist; elliotrodger; firearms; guncontrol; gunrights; guns; mentalhealth; nra; rkba; rtkba; secondamendment

1 posted on 05/28/2014 9:48:11 AM PDT by raptor22
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To: raptor22
"The shooter had been in therapy since age 8 and police had been warned by his parents to check him out."

That's the first I've heard that his parents warned police to "check him out." This dude was nothing more than a ticking time bomb that finally went off.

2 posted on 05/28/2014 9:53:08 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: raptor22

The one lesson that intelligent people draw from this is that the government CANNOT protect you.


3 posted on 05/28/2014 9:54:09 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: raptor22

No amount of gun control law will stop a demonic possesed person from killing.


4 posted on 05/28/2014 9:54:50 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: raptor22
Need to ban Movies. . . . Not guns. . .
Guns don't kill people. . . . Movies kill people. . .
5 posted on 05/28/2014 9:54:52 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Deodorant and Common sense. The ones who need it most don't use it. . . . .)
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To: raptor22

Regulate Beemers.


6 posted on 05/28/2014 9:56:21 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (BS, MS, PhD and a BMF besides)
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To: raptor22
we hear cries for "tougher" laws. But tougher than what?

A good question with a simple answer. Since "tougher gun laws" will not stop such killings, the cries will never cease as long as guns are available at all.

IOW, gun laws can never be tough enough. Any gun crime will result in calls for tougher laws, no matter how tough they already are.

7 posted on 05/28/2014 10:02:06 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: raptor22

An article was posted last week where it was stated that all of these shooters are on psychotropic drugs. Most seem to warn of dangers of depression and suicide. Is anyone looking at this issue? Or is it a fiscal problem for the drug and insurance companies, where a lot political campaign cash comes from. Or is it a nice fit for the political issue for Democrats to disarm the population and ease in their anticipated communist takeover. The bodies keep stacking up.


8 posted on 05/28/2014 10:03:23 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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To: Sherman Logan

.....Or they want a tougher law so that it lands up in a fed court, most likely the USSC as a test case.


9 posted on 05/28/2014 10:07:56 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: raptor22
Kalifornia needs to write some “mentally ill free-zones”.
That would fix everything!
10 posted on 05/28/2014 10:09:35 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: Sherman Logan

We should ditch the laws altogether. A shooter is going to get a gun and use it no matter what the law says. Its foolish to believe a law stops anyone from committing a crime.

So called “reasonable” gun laws are reasonably stupid.


11 posted on 05/28/2014 10:10:14 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: circlecity

Therapy since 8 is what led to this behavior. You can’t possibly have a kid grow up healthy when the therapy culture is all about self esteem and learning victimhood. The kid should have been in church groups, boy scouts, and playing sports. The things boys are suppose to do. Nope, the kid lived a sheltered life in an office where he learned how the world revolves around himself and pumped full of drugs. Ultimately he is responsible for pulling the trigger and stabbing his victims. But since the people always want to blame something for these catastrophes I lay the blame on his parents and the lifestyle they lived.


12 posted on 05/28/2014 10:17:24 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: raptor22; All
Before the Santa Barbara incident, Tim Murphy (PA-R), a psychologist, has been working on a reform bill which might help find and treat those with dangerous mental issues instead of the all the noise we hear about gun control. Both parties support this bill.

BUT, Nancy Pelosi is doing all she can to kill it and telling Democrats to withdraw their support.

It appears since it is an election year, she doesn't want the Republicans to have even a single example of bipartisan success - even on something as serious and important as this.

13 posted on 05/28/2014 10:23:09 AM PDT by QT3.14
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To: Biggirl

No amount of gun control law will stop a demonic possesed person from killing.

EVEN if you disarm the populace a nut job will use whatever it takes to harm others to get the job done whether by knives, machetes, lead pipes, ballpoint pins, etc...Why not consider the fact that if the government wouldn’t have removed God, moral decency, and the ability to punish our children while instead pushing faggotry, destroying the family unit, rewriting history, pushing liberal ideologies, emasculating men, regulating and overtaxing everything to hell so our home lives would have been more stable you wouldn’t be dealing with this BS now. The government is like a cancer. It kills everything it comes into contact with because it is largely controlled by rich, professionally trained liars who are non-empathetic and out-of-touch sociopaths whose greed surpasses their need to serve you interests like they promised they would. Well of course...they’re liars.


14 posted on 05/28/2014 10:23:57 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Organic Panic

I agree. You send a kid to therapy instead of loving and spending time with them and they will think something is wrong with them and will act out sooner or later.


15 posted on 05/28/2014 10:26:05 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: raptor22

“The Santa Barbara shooter had legally purchased and registered firearms”

I don’t think the process was legal. It appears he lied on his 4473 when answering questions about his mental state and mental treatment.

So although he ‘passed’, he lied on his 4473, which is ... against the law.

We need more laws. /$


16 posted on 05/28/2014 10:26:23 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: QT3.14
Before the Santa Barbara incident, Tim Murphy (PA-R), a psychologist, has been working on a reform bill which might help find and treat those with dangerous mental issues instead of the all the noise we hear about gun control. Both parties support this bill.

From what I've read about the bill it sound like it will give families a lot more influence in deciding to involuntarily hospitalize some one.

In recent years we've had two local cases where mentally ill people committed brutal murders (Horror movie stuff) immediately after their own families had unsuccessfully tried to have them involuntarily hospitalized. Neither used a gun BTW.
17 posted on 05/28/2014 10:34:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: raptor22
We have a lib culture and lib parent's creating “loose cannon” people and they blame the gun
18 posted on 05/28/2014 10:36:45 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more.)
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To: raptor22

Apparently the Violence Against Women Act and Gun Control Act of 1968 were not in his numerous therapist’s reading recommendation list.


19 posted on 05/28/2014 10:36:59 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: cripplecreek

As an alternative couldn’t they use a Ryder truck or a rice cooker?

/S


20 posted on 05/28/2014 10:38:42 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: raptor22

The Nutcracker Suite


21 posted on 05/28/2014 10:40:10 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: raptor22
The shooter had been in therapy since age 8

I'll bet he hade been given psychoactive drugs since age eight.

22 posted on 05/28/2014 10:40:56 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“The one lesson that intelligent people draw from this is that the government CANNOT protect you.”

But they don’t want to admit that, so they change the theme to “it’s society’s fault. We are all to blame.” bullshit!


23 posted on 05/28/2014 10:53:40 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("If guns cause crime, there must be something wrong with mine." -Ted Nugent)
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To: raptor22

That’s just proof that California needs even more restrictive gun laws, and, by the way, even more taxation.


24 posted on 05/28/2014 10:55:10 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: raptor22

Im sure if had applied for a medical cannibis card,, they would have been all over the weapons,,, yup
because pot make you crazy !!!


25 posted on 05/28/2014 11:02:33 AM PDT by uddaudd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: DeaconRed

The kid was a video gamer also...add them to the list.


26 posted on 05/28/2014 11:37:22 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: raptor22
Guns: The Santa Barbara shooter had legally purchased and registered firearms, and passed prior questioning by the police who saw no danger to himself or others. More gun laws won't stop the next such shooter, either.

The first three people he killed were his roommates, and he used a knife to kill them.

But, we don't hear anyone calling for stricter controls on knives.

27 posted on 05/28/2014 11:55:36 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Organic Panic

There is much truth in what you say.


28 posted on 05/28/2014 12:09:36 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: raptor22

He killed as many with a knife as with a gun. Killers will kill...particularly the insane, whom the Liberals foist upon society.


29 posted on 05/28/2014 12:35:52 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Scrambler Bob
It appears he lied on his 4473 when answering questions about his mental state and mental treatment.

The 4473 asks nothing of mental treatment. With respect to mental deficiencies, the 4473 specifically asks whether or not the person was adjudicated as mentally deficient (via the court system), or was committed to a mental institution. Neither of which appear to be the case here.

30 posted on 05/28/2014 1:06:14 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

Right, I looked up a 4473.

However, we had a woman denied a pistol purchase (already a gun owner) because she went for counseling after a divorce.

So, I think they could have ‘pushed on him’ a little.

Or called the DOJ to look at his purchases.


31 posted on 05/28/2014 4:50:12 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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