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Legislation Would Allow Family, Friends To Notify Authorities Of Potential Gunman [to confiscate]
CBSLA.com) ^ | May 28, 2014 8:17 AM

Posted on 05/28/2014 11:53:43 AM PDT by BenLurkin

SANTA BARBARA (CBSLA.com) — State lawmakers are pushing for new legislation that would give family or friends of a potential gunman the ability to ask law enforcement to prevent them from owning or buying a firearm.

The proposed bill from California State Assemblymembers Nancy Skinner (D-Berkeley) and Das Williams (D-Santa Barbara) would create a gun violence restraining order, which would grant authority to “concerned family members, friends and intimate partners” to “intervene and potentially prohibit the purchase of firearms and/or remove the firearms already in possession.”

Williams told KNX 1070 NEWSRADIO law enforcement would in turn have the ability to investigate reported threats and ask a judge to grant an order prohibiting firearms purchase or possession. “Most people agree that guns shouldn’t be in the hands of mentally ill or mentally unstable folks, the question is how to remove mentally ill or unstable folks from their weapons,” said Williams. “This would at least give parents and family members, spouses, a chance to bring to a judge a case where someone might hurt themselves…or is potentially homicidal and could hurt other people.”

Under current California law, licensed therapists can notify law enforcement that their client is at risk of committing a violent act allowing authorities to investigate the individual. Law enforcement can then prevent the person from buying or owning firearms

According to Skinner, there is currently no legal mechanism to limit firearm access while an individual in crisis is seeking or receiving mental health counseling, substance abuse treatment, anger management, or other counseling. Opponents say such legislation would likely be unconstitutional and target a high number of law-abiding Americans.

But Skinner said law enforcement’s response to attempts by the mother of 22-year-old Elliot Rodger regarding concerns about her son’s mental health shows new measures are needed.

“When someone is in crisis, the people closest to them are often the first to spot the warning signs but almost nothing can now be done to get back their guns or prevent them from buying more,” Skinner said. “Parents, like the mother who tried to intervene, deserve an effective tool they can act on to help prevent these tragedies.”

Sen. Hannah Beth Jackson will be joining Williams and Skinner as a principal co-author of the legislation. It was not immediately clear when the bill would be introduced.


TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; california; guncontrol; nancyskinner; stasi
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1 posted on 05/28/2014 11:53:43 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

This won’t get abused by angry ex-wives in any way, shape, or form, I am certain.

It will all go great.


2 posted on 05/28/2014 11:54:29 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: BenLurkin

So basically leftists in your family can have your guns taken?

weird


3 posted on 05/28/2014 11:54:34 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: BenLurkin

We are being governed into the ground by idiots.


4 posted on 05/28/2014 11:55:09 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Black skin has morphed into Teflon.)
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To: GeronL

Leftist that claim to be a friend/aquantence/whatever,any A-hole on the street.

Sure doesnt take these fool long to come up with this crap


5 posted on 05/28/2014 11:57:22 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: BenLurkin

Turn in your lib neighbors.


6 posted on 05/28/2014 11:57:36 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: BenLurkin

maybe one of these days it will occur to real Americans that talking back and forth to each other about the all-out lefty assault on our constitutional republic just isn’t enough to save it.


7 posted on 05/28/2014 11:58:15 AM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: CGASMIA68

This stuff is as obvious as a heart attack to most FReepers.


8 posted on 05/28/2014 11:58:29 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: BenLurkin

Another reason I am glad that I left CA and moved to the Free United States.

California is an un-American joke.


9 posted on 05/28/2014 11:58:38 AM PDT by EricT. (Everything not forbidden is compulsory.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
This won’t get abused by angry ex-wives in any way, shape, or form, I am certain.

And don't Tee off a neighbor, a coworker or a democrat either.

Within six months the entire population of California will be on the No-Firearms list.


10 posted on 05/28/2014 11:58:48 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Black skin has morphed into Teflon.)
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To: Iron Munro

I predict more than a few lawsuits if this idiotic legislation becomes law.


11 posted on 05/28/2014 11:59:13 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: BenLurkin
I wonder how many legislators will have a dime dropped on them?
12 posted on 05/28/2014 12:00:43 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: BenLurkin

I heard, on some show, someone advocate for the abolition of the requirement for a search warrant in these cases. Cops maybe erred on the side of caution on this one...now this is what you get...


13 posted on 05/28/2014 12:01:16 PM PDT by bike800
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

” predict more than a few lawsuits if this idiotic legislation becomes law.”

The accusations of someone resulting the deprivation of a Constitutional right without due process?

Nah. It’s Kalifornia.

Next, you will be able to get an ex parte injunction to prevent someone from speaking publically.


14 posted on 05/28/2014 12:02:18 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: BenLurkin

It would be funny if all the cops had people dropping dimes on them.


15 posted on 05/28/2014 12:03:09 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: BenLurkin

Go for it morons! My sympathies to conservatives in California......


16 posted on 05/28/2014 12:03:55 PM PDT by Envisioning (It's the Jihad, stupid......)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I hope the first person reported and adversely affected is Diane Fienstien, the second being the bodyguards of Bug Eyes Pelosi


17 posted on 05/28/2014 12:04:06 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: CGASMIA68

Yep, the law will eventually expanded so that ANYONE who “feels threatened” or thinks you MIGHT be a threat will be able to petition the court to have your guns taken away.

Their reasoning is that if you are paranoid about the government taking your guns, you are obviously too mentally ill to own them, so the government will confiscate them.


18 posted on 05/28/2014 12:04:29 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: BenLurkin

Didn’t give your kid a cut in a recent sale of a piece of real estate? Didn’t buy him that car he wanted?

It just might come back to haunt you.


19 posted on 05/28/2014 12:04:52 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: BenLurkin

Betray your friends!

Win fabulous prizes!!


20 posted on 05/28/2014 12:04:54 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: BenLurkin

I believe most states already have something similar to Fla’s Baker Act law on the books. It allows for people to be institutionalized against their will if they seem to be a threat to themselves or other people. His parents should have institutionalized him using California’s 5150 statute. I don’t understand why they didn’t. If a person is a threat to himself or others, he can be taken out of the population legally. That they didn’t do it, shows his parents were in denial. So now everyone wants to make a new law because they didn’t use the law on the books when they had the chance.


21 posted on 05/28/2014 12:05:48 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: BenLurkin
Instead of anti-bullying crusades and efforts to ban words like 'bossy' we would be far better off to get back to teaching our kids that the world doesn't revolve around them.

And take another look at the way those who were demonstrably mentally ill were handled in the past. Because turning them loose on society as pleases the ACLU is obviously not working out.

22 posted on 05/28/2014 12:06:34 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: GeronL

Your disgruntled liberal neighbor can already call a SWAT raid down on your @zz.

Under this proposed law your disgruntled liberal relative can secretly denounce you to the police as a menace to society, no doctor statement or court order necessary, and the po-po simply show up at your door and confiscate your firearms.

We are rapidly turning into a Stasi-style police state, one state at a time, which is our only hope because we can at least see it coming. If this cr@p is going down in Kalifornica, we in Georgia have time to inoculate ourselves against the advancing contagion.


23 posted on 05/28/2014 12:07:00 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: BenLurkin

First, there’s nothing currently that prevents people from asking this to happen now. Anyone can ask. Secondly, how does the government have power and jurisdiction to grant this kind of power to loved ones, “intimate partners”, friends, family, etc? It just sounds absurd.


24 posted on 05/28/2014 12:07:31 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: BenLurkin

Every Dem in Kalifornia state legislature should be committed to a mental hospital since they are all unstable and ill.


25 posted on 05/28/2014 12:08:02 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Legislators will be exempt. Legislators are always exempt.


26 posted on 05/28/2014 12:14:37 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: BenLurkin
"Most people agree that guns shouldn’t be in the hands of mentally ill or mentally unstable folks, the question is how to remove mentally ill or unstable folks from their weapons,” said Williams."

The trouble is, for most in California the fact someone owns guns and likes to practice with them is proof posivitve they are "mentally ill or unstable folks". So it's a bit of a catch-22.

27 posted on 05/28/2014 12:15:27 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: andyk
Conservative Apartment Owner: "You are past due on rent again. Pay me or I'll kick you out".
Tenant: "Ok. I'll get you a check tommorrow".
...Tenant shuts door...goes to phone and dials 9-1-1.
911: "911 what is your emergency"?
Tenant: "My landlord just said I was pasth due on rent and to pay him or he will just kill me".
911: "What does he look like"?
Tenant: White, no smile, big, flexing muthles. He just got in his vehicle and left".
911: What type of vehicle"?
Tenant: "He drithses an evil SthUV with licenth plate "FREEPER" on it. It also has a Cruzth/Palin bumperthicker and a terrorist flag on it...the yellow one with a rattlesnake. He also hasth an NRA sticker on the window. He also owns guns I know".
911: "We are on our way. A judge will fax over a pre-signed search warrant to our responding officers".
Tenant: "Thank you tho muthch! You are so thaweet!"
28 posted on 05/28/2014 12:18:59 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!! (Keeper of the Sick Individuals pinglist))
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To: BenLurkin
LOCK UP the crazies. This evil man plotted to torture his victims with knives, fire, boiling water, etc. and to mow them down with an SUV. He did both but the focus now is strictly on the guns, not the knives, the vehicles, the crazy, or the drugs, or the violent media and quacks.

Power grab by totalitarians. The killer was a totalitarian too, he wanted to ban women.

29 posted on 05/28/2014 12:19:23 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: TheThirdRuffian

As well as anyone else who doesn’t like you or guns or both for that matter.

What is the qualification for a friend informing on you?

What could go wrong?


30 posted on 05/28/2014 12:20:35 PM PDT by HammerT (The Commonsense civil right of Armed Self-defense [CASD], its the law of the land.)
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To: BenLurkin

What could go wrong?


31 posted on 05/28/2014 12:22:29 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Legislators and cops will be exempt.


32 posted on 05/28/2014 12:25:53 PM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: BenLurkin
would grant authority to “concerned family members, friends and intimate partners, vindictive ex-wives, unmanageable, malicious teen offspring and anyone else with an axe to grind” to “intervene and potentially prohibit the purchase of firearms and/or remove the firearms already in possession.”
33 posted on 05/28/2014 12:28:25 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: BenLurkin

So the murderer makes sure his victims are unarmed by dropping a dime of him/her before he walks over and does the deed. Makes sense to me.


34 posted on 05/28/2014 12:28:43 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Waryone
His parents should have institutionalized him using California’s 5150 statute.

That provides a three day hold for an evaluation. At the end of that time he is free to leave if they cannot clearly identify a problem. He was evidently together enough to be able to hide his wackiness from others when he wanted to do so.

35 posted on 05/28/2014 12:31:08 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: BenLurkin

Anyone could literally claim friendship with anyone in the world and make this claim against them. You could just say an enemy is you friend and, presto!

This seems like a clear 2nd amendment violation. Also, Friends and Family have no qualification to be assessing someone’s pre-crime thoughts to take away their rights.

But, this matches liberal and communist thinking completely so I have no doubt it will be implemented in that retardo state of California.


36 posted on 05/28/2014 12:31:49 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (I don't even know what to say anymore...)
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To: BenLurkin

giving the crazy relative who “knows best for everyone” authority over that person?

does this include citizens identifying crazy police and politicians?


37 posted on 05/28/2014 12:33:14 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Waryone

His parents didn’t do anything because they were enablers.

They bought him $60,000 cars and paid his rent. They coddled him when he didn’t want to go to school. Every job was beneath him, because he was superior to everyone else. He believed that women should just throw themselves at him because he was so wonderful, and no one ever disavowed him of this idea. As far as I can tell, he never even spoke to a woman, he just expected them to approach him and give themselves to him. This was a guy who thought he was so smart that he should rule the world.

And when none of that happened he made a plan and killed a bunch of people.

His parents weren’t going to have him committed. He was a special little snowflake, and he could do no wrong. I’m sure his parents blame the evil women who ignored him and the NRA for letting those evil guns shoot those “not-so innocent” girls....


38 posted on 05/28/2014 12:34:52 PM PDT by Velvet_Jones
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To: BenLurkin

And next on the agenda legislation that would give family or friends of a potential Conservatives the right to severely limit their First Amendment rights, oh I forgot there a demonrats who already want to do that now! In the liberals future must show your papers to prove that you are the proper class of citizen to exercise certain rights.


39 posted on 05/28/2014 12:35:55 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: KC_Lion

hahahahhahah I laughed so hard reading your comment.

Sadly that is the leftist mantra worldwide, and is exactly what they are trying to do in this case and all over America as a whole.

What I find hilarious is the same kids who learned about these ridiculous tactics by the USSR and laughed at them in class with me (I’m born in ‘82 and HS class of 2000 for reference) and we all agreed were absolutely ridiculous, are now the same idiots voting, coming up with and supporting this ridiculousness till they are blue in the face.

I can’t do anything buy smack my forehead over and over again day after day after day.

Most of our fellow Americans have intelligence and critical thinking skills that are so low it is a wonder they can even pick up and use their EBT cards.


40 posted on 05/28/2014 12:36:43 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (I don't even know what to say anymore...)
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To: BenLurkin

How nice. Somebody gets an insect up their anal passageway and all that you own and have collected through the years is seized.
The left is trying to think of ways to take all LEGAL guns from honest, non-violent people while leaving them in the hands of violent criminals.


41 posted on 05/28/2014 12:50:19 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: circlecity

“Most people agree that guns shouldn’t be in the hands of mentally ill or mentally unstable folks, the question is how to remove mentally ill or unstable folks from their weapons,”


We really shouldn’t let these lefties get away with framing the issue in this way. If mentally ill people are not responsible enough to handle firearms, then those mentally ill people need to be in treatment, where they can’t harm society. The solution is not to futilely try to keep them away from firearms, or to futilely try to childproof the entire world so they can roam free.


42 posted on 05/28/2014 12:52:39 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: BenLurkin

Interesting inclusion of a couple of phrases:

“family and friends” = Anyone

“Mentally unstable” = Veterans, conservatives, tea partiers, etc.


43 posted on 05/28/2014 12:52:39 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Boogieman
"The solution is not to futilely try to keep them away from firearms, or to futilely try to childproof the entire world so they can roam free."

Amen.

44 posted on 05/28/2014 12:58:11 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: BenLurkin
I wish they all could be Californina funny photo: Funny true_love_motivational_poster.jpg California girls.
45 posted on 05/28/2014 12:58:53 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: BenLurkin

So your crazy ex-girlfriend can now have all of you guns confiscated by just saying so.

Oh, yeah... That’ll work.


46 posted on 05/28/2014 1:05:26 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: GeronL

Not if they get buried first http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/ZAA-251?ingb=Y


47 posted on 05/28/2014 2:16:14 PM PDT by nomad
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To: BenLurkin
"...which would grant authority to 'concerned family members, friends and intimate partners' to 'intervene and potentially prohibit the purchase of firearms and/or remove the firearms already in possession.'"

So spiteful neighbors could become momentary "friends" for the purpose of fulfilling the intent. Interesting, evil and typically Californian.


48 posted on 05/28/2014 2:27:05 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: BenLurkin

Pre-crime to nullify the Bill of Rights.

Next: potential “hate speech” by a blogger could justify a precautionary confiscation of his computer equipment and research materials.


49 posted on 05/28/2014 2:42:17 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Waryone

from what I have read he never met the standard of being a “threat to himself or others” to the point of being involuntary committed. Certain key phrases must be used and confirmed

Even if he had confessed to being suicidal or having murderous delusions it might have earned him 3 days of inpatient observation (cash upfront please)

but this kid knew the standard and was adept at hiding his inner urges and agenda, appearing pleasant and polite and cooperative when the police came knocking

That he snookered so many therapists over so many years is less palatable and I believe there was medical malpractice there


50 posted on 05/28/2014 3:00:39 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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