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Calif. Bill Tightens Out-Of-State Gun Purchase Laws: ‘We Don’t Have To Wait For Another Massacre’
AP) ^ | May 28, 2014 4:05 PM

Posted on 05/28/2014 4:45:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin

Californians buying guns from out-of-state sources would have to go through the same steps required for in-state purchases under a bill passed Wednesday by the state Assembly.

AB1609 advanced to the Senate on a 48-23 party-line vote.

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He said firearms purchased in nearby states with loose regulations, including Nevada and Arizona, are making their way into the hands of criminals in California.

The bill would require that firearms imported from other states must be sent to a California dealer who would then run the required state checks on the buyers to make sure they comply with state rules.

(Excerpt) Read more at losangeles.cbslocal.com ...


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1 posted on 05/28/2014 4:45:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Federal law already prohibits buying a gun outside of your state of residence (without running the transaction through your local firearms dealer.)

This would seem to be directed toward those who MOVE their personal residence to California, and bring guns with them.

Which can hardly be a pipeline of guns to criminals.


2 posted on 05/28/2014 4:48:44 PM PDT by Freeping Since 2001 (Since 2001. Seriously.)
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To: BenLurkin

Huh?

I bought several guns from out of state.

The sale took place through an FFL and I DROS’d each time.

What is this law REALLY about?

You can onky purchase theough an FFL. IN CALIFORNIA


3 posted on 05/28/2014 4:50:19 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: BenLurkin

Huh?

I bought several guns from out of state.

The sale took place through an FFL and I DROS’d each time.

What is this law REALLY about?

You can onky purchase theough an FFL. IN CALIFORNIA


4 posted on 05/28/2014 4:51:05 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

It is a bit befuddling.


5 posted on 05/28/2014 4:51:17 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: BenLurkin

criminals always buy guns and ammo from their friendly Gun shop ,RIIIIIGHT


6 posted on 05/28/2014 4:51:58 PM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: BenLurkin

Liberals built this “anything goes” society we now have to put up with. Liberal DemocRATS are responsible for these massacres. Not the guns. Americans didn’t take God out of our schools, DemocRATS did that. We no longer have guardrails and boundaries here in the country. If you want to murder people, liberals have taught the kids they have every right to do so. You can ban all the guns on the planet. You can shut down the NRA and put all of its members in concentration camps. You’ll never stop the killing until the idiot politicians finally figure out that it’s evil and mean people who are committing these “massacres”.


7 posted on 05/28/2014 4:52:29 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: BenLurkin

the lefty knee-jerkers hard at work.

more world class Aholes.


8 posted on 05/28/2014 4:52:59 PM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: BenLurkin

Making sense of anti-gun legislation makes no sense..

The basic idea of it is rididulous....

Disarming law abibing citzens is worse than silly..
Disarming criminals WILL NEVER HAPPEN.. CAN’T HAPPEN.. is not HAPPENING.. ANYWHERE...


9 posted on 05/28/2014 4:53:28 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Only around this is private and unlawful sale, which would be considered a “transfer, without giving lawful title to private property.


10 posted on 05/28/2014 4:53:50 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

It’s a perfect example of another liberal idiot politician not even knowing what the hell laws are on the books already.

Their answer to everything is pass another law and/or raise taxes.


11 posted on 05/28/2014 4:54:29 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Great post.

Too many people in society today that view killing their neighbor similar to stomping on a bug.

I can actually still remember an era in the 1950s when a murder was a BIG news event. Now it’s like the traffic report.


12 posted on 05/28/2014 4:55:08 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

in “Lefty World” all that will remain in their utopia are the elites and the mindless, zombified slaves to do the bidding of the ruling class.


13 posted on 05/28/2014 4:55:16 PM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: hosepipe

ignoring facts, truth, and common sense has been perfected by the lefty loons.


14 posted on 05/28/2014 4:56:27 PM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: BenLurkin

The left isn’t calling for a ban on knives..gee I wonder why..maybe because they know banning knives is impossible, besides, their ultimate goal is what Hitler wanted, the total ban on guns so they could control all of us


15 posted on 05/28/2014 4:57:02 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: BenLurkin

Last time I checked you still can’t buy a handgun out of state you live in.

And many states will not sell a long gun to anyone whose state has laws against the same.


16 posted on 05/28/2014 4:57:38 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: BenLurkin

FU CA


17 posted on 05/28/2014 4:58:20 PM PDT by BOOHA
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To: BenLurkin

I believe that for over 20 years if you buy a gun from out of state it must first be sent to a Calif. registered FFL and he runs alllll the paperwork, exactly as if the gun had been sitting on his own shelf in the first place.

Perhaps this is against those moving to California?

Then this must be the “don’t move to California”-law.

My buddy left California to Alabama, had to return his cable box. The Cable company flatly told him that everyone was leaving.

He also had to hire a moving company, who told him moving out of California you have to pay TWICE as much as folks have to pay to move their stuff TO California —again, cuz everyone is LEAVING.


18 posted on 05/28/2014 5:00:21 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: BenLurkin; Vendome; RIghtwardHo; Sarah Barracuda

19 posted on 05/28/2014 5:02:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: BenLurkin

So now it’s double double against the law?


20 posted on 05/28/2014 5:03:41 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Vendome
What is this law REALLY about?

It's fascist democrats "doing something" about autistic gun wielders.

21 posted on 05/28/2014 5:11:31 PM PDT by Misterioso (God... a being whose only definition is that he is beyond man's power to conceive. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: BenLurkin

What’s next? People entering the state are stopped and searched at the CA border?


22 posted on 05/28/2014 5:13:02 PM PDT by moovova
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To: Misterioso

Dummies shouldn’t have their full Constitutional rights and the ability to protect themselves or hunt?

/s


23 posted on 05/28/2014 5:13:55 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: BenLurkin
It will be a little interesting to see how they intend this to work in practice without gun registration in California. Simple case - guy drives to Nevada, buys a gun from an FFL holding dealer. There's a seven-day waiting period. Comes back in a week and picks up the gun. Now, the dealer has broken no laws and hasn't an obligation to treat the California buyer any differently from anyone else, nor can the California government place that obligation on a dealer in another state. Nor can it dictate to a citizen of California what he or she may do in another state.

The law, then, isn't broken until that California citizen takes the gun back into his home state. And so how does the state know that a law has been broken? It either uses access to the NICS that it does not legally have, or it requires the citizen to prove where he bought the gun. But the latter is impossible...unless the state ONLY allows possession of firearms whose origin is, or can be, proven to them. That's going to make millions of firearms illegal as soon as it is signed. That couldn't be their intention...could it?

24 posted on 05/28/2014 5:16:49 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: BenLurkin

Eat it, criminals.

The last loophole to you evil-doers has been squashed!!! Now what are you going to do? No way you will ever commit murder now!


25 posted on 05/28/2014 5:22:05 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: moovova
What’s next? People entering the state are stopped and searched at the CA border?

They already have the agricultural inspection stations set up as roadblocks, so this would not be difficult for the state government to do.

26 posted on 05/28/2014 5:55:56 PM PDT by Disambiguator (#hashtagline)
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To: moovova

“What’s next? People entering the state are stopped and searched at the CA border?”

It’s already happening. Just read that the CADOJ has agents roaming around gun shows in Reno, NV and following people out with their purchases to see if they get into a car with CA plates. Then of course we have these “Border Taj Mahal’s” where they have a couple of lazy bastards sorta looking for “illegal” plants, fruits, and vegetables. They can be used as “gun importation check points” as well.


27 posted on 05/28/2014 6:06:28 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Amen...Texas seems to be the last remaining state with both brains AND b*lls. Okay, Oklahoma too, but Texas has better music and barbecue.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

28 posted on 05/28/2014 6:11:53 PM PDT by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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To: Billthedrill

“It will be a little interesting to see how they intend this to work in practice without gun registration in California. Simple case - guy drives to Nevada, buys a gun from an FFL holding dealer. There’s a seven-day waiting period. Comes back in a week and picks up the gun. Now, the dealer has broken no laws and hasn’t an obligation to treat the California buyer any differently from anyone else, nor can the California government place that obligation on a dealer in another state. Nor can it dictate to a citizen of California what he or she may do in another state.”

Unfortunately, you are wrong! Nevada gun dealers are specifically precluded from selling guns directly to anyone with California identification. They will ship your purchase to a CA FFL for delivery. Nevada law allows their FFLs to sell guns to anyone with ID from a bordering state, EXCEPT California! I personally discussed this matter with the FFL at Cabela’s in Reno.


29 posted on 05/28/2014 6:12:54 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: BenLurkin

We are all criminals. Buy another. Buy them like popcorn. Send a message. Oh buy American Ruger, Federal, etc.


30 posted on 05/28/2014 9:06:13 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Vendome

“The sale took place through an FFL and I DROS’d each time.”

What is DROS?


31 posted on 05/28/2014 9:14:47 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: VanDeKoik
The last loophole to you evil-doers has been squashed!!! Now what are you going to do? No way you will ever commit murder now!

LOL! Guess that showed them crim-nels...

32 posted on 05/28/2014 10:13:20 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: vette6387
Just read that the CADOJ has agents roaming around gun shows in Reno, NV and following people out with their purchases to see if they get into a car with CA plates.

“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.”

33 posted on 05/28/2014 10:15:12 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: BOOHA

“FU CA”

I, and all the other decent residents of California take offense at your comment!
I guess you have the IQ of an amoeba! Why don’t you try something more “original,” that is if your brain us up to the task!


34 posted on 05/28/2014 10:25:44 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: BenLurkin

The killer didn’t buy them out of state. He followed California law and bought them locally from licensed dealers as I understand it.


35 posted on 05/28/2014 11:36:40 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Dealer Record of Sale

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Buying_and_selling_firearms_in_California


36 posted on 05/28/2014 11:39:12 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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Feel good BS.

Govts will continue to ignore the mentally ill, and ignore crimes that don’t involve guns. Scumbags.


37 posted on 05/29/2014 12:31:32 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s true that you can keep your handguns in TX. Problem is you can’t carry them openly. Or concealed without purchasing one of the more expensive and difficult to obtain permits in the country.

With deference and respect to Texas FReepers, your gun laws happen to suck.


38 posted on 05/29/2014 2:14:02 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Relocate and Dominate: freestateproject.org)
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To: BenLurkin

I bought a milling machine last year here in Melbourne Oz and made my own 1911 frame in aluminum. Currently building a modified copy of a Ruger 10/22. No real problems making a gun in Oz, selling it though can get sticky. Ran into a lot of blokes who make their own, and some designs are pretty interesting.


39 posted on 05/29/2014 2:31:56 AM PDT by Spartan302 (Summer in Alaska, winter in Australia! Riding year round.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A state that is going more and more into the direction of the Tea Party.


40 posted on 05/29/2014 2:54:24 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: BenLurkin

CommieFornia will have a hard enforcing their laws out of state. It’s called not their lawful jurisdiction.


41 posted on 05/29/2014 4:37:46 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Billthedrill

Easier. Guy goes to Arizona or any other state to buy guns from other private citizens. No waiting.


42 posted on 05/29/2014 5:09:56 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: BenLurkin

That’ll work real well for people buying stolen guns out of some thug’s trunk.


43 posted on 05/29/2014 6:20:12 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: BenLurkin

...and like the Northeast, California continues to chase out HONEST Americans, who just want to own guns, per the Constitution.

Living here in Texas, I say HAVE AT IT!! - we don’t mind the brainpower coming here (and yes, there is [was] a lot of brainpower in California). And no, we’re not Montana, you cannot send enough gun-owning liberals here, as we have 25 Million people, and the vast majority Californians chased out by gun laws are not going to have anything to do with voting Democrat, anyway.


44 posted on 05/29/2014 7:55:23 AM PDT by BobL
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To: vette6387

Oops - you are correct, I didn’t figure that Nevada would actually cooperate with the thing. Yep, they absolutely can do that. Maybe a little call to our good NRA friend in the Senate, Harry Reid...OK, I’m kidding...


45 posted on 05/29/2014 9:13:06 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Spartan302

What about the barrel?


46 posted on 05/29/2014 4:15:03 PM PDT by bill1952 (taxes don't hurt the rich, they keep YOU from becoming rich.)
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To: umgud

This will shulry stop all the violence in places like Oakland. Once the criminals find out it illegal they will turn them selves in to police, right?


47 posted on 05/29/2014 5:44:38 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Banning guns for everyone but Obaba’s Brown Shirt Army...the one he is buying billions of rounds of military-illegal hollow point/dum dum ammo for...to shoot USA citizens with.

Nice guy.


48 posted on 05/29/2014 9:17:46 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: OldArmy52

Molon Lave...


49 posted on 05/29/2014 9:24:46 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: BenLurkin
‘We Don’t Have To Wait For Another Massacre’

Are you kiddin"?

Calipornia is crawling with whackjob killers. Guns or not, you're going to have more and more mass murders.

50 posted on 05/29/2014 9:26:03 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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