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'Veterans died! Get us the answers!': Republicans boil over as Veterans Affairs officials answer
Daily Mail ^ | 5/28/14 | David Martosko, U.s. Political Editor

Posted on 05/28/2014 10:07:54 PM PDT by Nachum

Sparks flew during a rare late-night hearing before the House Veterans Affairs Committee, as visibly upset Republicans raked VA officials over the coals while the ink was still wet on a scathing inspector general report condemning the agency's deadly failures.

The report found that in Phoenix, Arizona alone, 1,700 U.S. military veterans were denied medical care and others waited an average of 115 days to be seen by a doctor – and that officials covered up the lapses by manipulating wait-lists and other official records.

Tennessee Republican Rep. Phil Roe, a physician and veteran of the Army Medical Corps, summed up the mood on Capitol Hill when he addressed Dr. Thomas Lynch, the VA's assistant deputy undersecretary for health.

Noting that the three officials at the witness table are well-paid but presided over a system that ignored the needs of cash-strapped veterans who are locked into the VA health system, he leveled a sledgehammer at Lynch

'What I don't understand is, as a veteran – as a doctor, as a practitioner – I don't understand how you can stand at a mirror and look at yourself in the mirror, and shave in the morning, and not throw up,' he said, 'knowing that you've got people out there ... how in the world?'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: answers; died; obamaliedvetsdied; veterans
'Veterans died! Get us the answers!': Republicans boil over as Veterans Affairs officials answer subpoenas with excuses and blank stares
1 posted on 05/28/2014 10:07:55 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 05/28/2014 10:08:27 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

What was it I read? For FIVE consecutive years the VA has had more money than they could spend? Obastard has known about this since he was a spinator. Shakwhatshisname and obastard rolled out the damn fool idea of troops paying for their own rehabilitation for war wounds, OUT OF POCKET, just after the POS was sworn in in 2009.

NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. NOTHING.


3 posted on 05/28/2014 10:13:01 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Nachum

Does Congress really believe their own records are better than those of the civil self servants?


4 posted on 05/28/2014 10:23:17 PM PDT by nicepaco
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To: Sequoyah101

What? You want obama to care? Well all you have to do is show him that some muslims were mistreated and he’ll be on it! Oh, did you say that they were simply American soldiers who have kept their part of the contract with the government? Right, he’ll have a fact finding commission look into that in a few months, maybe, but you know he has something really important to do right now like fundraising and blaming Bush for the last five years,


5 posted on 05/28/2014 10:25:15 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

No, they will make it an “ongoing investigation” so they can’t talk about it. Holder is on it right now.

There is only one thing I want obastard to do. Caring is not in the running.


6 posted on 05/28/2014 10:29:29 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Sequoyah101

What was it I read? For FIVE consecutive years the VA has had more money than they could spend?

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Yup. They also “managed to blow $500 million on office furniture while denying life-saving tests”.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/va-nickel-and-dimed-vets-to-death-while-running-a-surplus-for-5-years/


7 posted on 05/28/2014 10:36:59 PM PDT by Qiviut (Obama: A Caesar at home & a Chamberlain abroad, dividing the country & uniting the world against us.)
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To: Nachum
Here are the answers.
8 posted on 05/28/2014 10:38:52 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Nachum

this kind of gov’t abuse is really hard to take.


9 posted on 05/28/2014 10:44:21 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: Nachum

They don`t understand...things are proceeding EXACTLY as this administration planned. The VA is an experiment in disposability for ALL government healthcare. Mengele lives!


10 posted on 05/28/2014 10:44:38 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: Nachum
As a starting point, it should be a federal perjury charge for any government official who signs a report that contains false information.
11 posted on 05/28/2014 10:45:39 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Nachum

I keep hearing this IS a republican failure that they are holding up the funding??

Is there any truth to this?


12 posted on 05/28/2014 10:49:37 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Nachum

Seems to me it’s time for a veteran’s march on Washington- with pitchforks and ropes.


13 posted on 05/28/2014 10:50:24 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Boycott Las Vegas- Payback for Harry Reid- ( Vegas owns Reid.))
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To: Nachum

I appreciate all the anger now coming from Congress, however they are in general just as guilty or more because Congress is notorious in not exercising its own responsibilities to CONTINUOUSLY maintain oversight over the federal agencies it creates. It creates them, turns over power and responsibility on them, provides funds for them and then leaves them on autopilot - until the shit hits the fan.

There is a Patient Advocate system in the VA, where any Veteran in any medical relationship with any VA facility can seek assistance from the PA office in that facility for any matter where they question what care they are getting. But the PA reports to the local director of the VA facility. The director can then keep their desk as the last desk that sees any large issue being up by the Patient Advocates. A change that is needed is to have the Patient Advocate’s changed to report to and come under the Inspector General for the VA. Then Congress needs annual reports from the Inspector General that summarize and where needed detail the issues being lifted up by the Patient Advocates. Such a system would have made the VA delays well known to Congress years ago and every year before this year.

A Congress informed annually in that manner would not be able to sweep under the rug their own failure to act. If the VA is running poorly now and Congress is upset about it they, Congress, needs to apologize for the very poor oversight they have exercised over the VA for many years. The same could be said of many federal agencies.


14 posted on 05/28/2014 10:51:19 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Nachum

Step 1 in fixing the problem is employing only vets at the VA.


15 posted on 05/28/2014 10:57:30 PM PDT by ZULU (https://www.facebook.com/freejustina)
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To: longfellow

The growth in the VA budget has been second to only two other agencies over the past 15 years...by about 3 times. One of those was Homeland Security, which scarcely existed 15 years ago.

The past five years, the VA has actually reported a surplus of funds they were unable to spend for at least five years.

According to analysis, there has been funding carry overs the past 5 years now.

“VA carried over $1.449 billion in medical-care funding from fiscal year 2010 to 2011, $1.163 billion from fiscal year 2011 to fiscal year 2012, $637 million from fiscal year 2012 to 2013, and $543 million from fiscal year 2013 to 2014.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...are-funding-than-it-can-spend-for-fifth-year/


16 posted on 05/28/2014 11:02:32 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Nachum

If these wounded and sick veterans declared themselves as Muslim terrorists, Obummer will go out of his way to make sure they get best healthcare. The Gitmo prisoners get to see a doctor on the same day they need one.


17 posted on 05/28/2014 11:10:53 PM PDT by entropy12 (Harry Reid will not allow debate on any good bills passed by House. GOP needs 51 senators in 2014!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

The past five years, the VA has actually reported a surplus of funds they were unable to spend for at least five years.-—was any of this due to the republicans blocking ?


18 posted on 05/28/2014 11:13:04 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

This was ALL done so BONUSES would be given to the UNION BEAURACRATS period no other reason!!!!!


19 posted on 05/28/2014 11:16:33 PM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Nachum
The GAME MUST continue... until it's DONE..
UNless the elite political class is pulled down...
click for VIDEO--


20 posted on 05/28/2014 11:37:59 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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This is an atrocity. And sadly an example of the scumbag’s Utopian vision he and the Progressive asshats jacked on the Country.

God Bless America’s Veterans.


21 posted on 05/28/2014 11:45:30 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Sequoyah101
NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. NOTHING.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. Not one person that matters will ever be held accountable for any scandal, not now, not ever. There may be an underling or two, here and there, who will be thrown under the bus, but the ring leaders will walk. I wish it was different, but it is not.

22 posted on 05/28/2014 11:52:53 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: ClearBlueSky
Is the destruction of the Republic planned, incompetence or both?

I'm going 80%-15%-5%.

23 posted on 05/29/2014 12:08:46 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: Yosemitest; All
Thanks, for the post...yost.

25 posted on 05/29/2014 12:39:59 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: Nachum

Oh look, Fleet Street is covering news that is truthful about Obama...while NYC and LA suck up to him.


26 posted on 05/29/2014 2:21:38 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Nachum

It is murder.

OK’ed by the EXEMPT, hated Congress
which is more busy with its brothels and arming al Qaeda.


27 posted on 05/29/2014 3:14:48 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Kit cat

I understand bonuses were based on short waiting times.

I also understand the VA can pay for Dr. visits and treatments out of the system which they have not been doing. Does anyone know if the amount of “out of system cost” is also a metric for the bonuses or is it just a case of not doing it because it would make the waiting list number look bogus??


28 posted on 05/29/2014 4:09:02 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Nachum

Ping.


29 posted on 05/29/2014 5:04:07 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and in politic)
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To: Wuli

I have been a witness to VA maladministration for forty years. (I have received direct and indirect funding as medical school faculty for some of those years).

What’s wrong with the VA is what’s wrong with socialism. All comments below do not apply to the wonderful and unique specialists in physical rehab, especially prosthetics, who are world class.

Among doctors, who do you think seeks out a 9-5 job from which you can’t be fired? Who do you think wants to work in a bureaucracy where a “superior” who has earned his position by seniority or by connections can tell you what to do? Who do you think wants a limit in the number of cases he can do, or the number of patients he can see?

And once you create an organization staffed by people like that, how do you think an organization like that reacts to fact-finding?

It is a serious error to understand this as an Obama problem. It is a bipartisan, 40+ year scandal and disgrace.


30 posted on 05/29/2014 5:12:04 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

My local Obama Orifice and Outlet, the Albany Times Union, dedicated 271-+ words, AP report, related to the 1700 veterans at risk in Vet Admin hospitals. Would have thought they would have done more because we have a VA Hospital in Albany.
Incidentally, they used 2100 words noting Maya Angelou passing away, front page, pictures, local color .... done by their “best” writer.
Wonder if Obama will be invited to the funeral, that would really be news./sarc


31 posted on 05/29/2014 5:12:32 AM PDT by BilLies (sharyl attkisson is alive and well HOORAY!!!!!)
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To: BilLies

Incidentally the AP report had nothing like the Mails report:

“Noting that the three officials at the witness table are well-paid but presided over a system that ignored the needs of cash-strapped veterans who are locked into the VA health system, he leveled a sledgehammer at Lynch.”

‘What I don’t understand is, as a veteran – as a doctor, as a practitioner – I don’t understand how you can stand at a mirror and look at yourself in the mirror, and shave in the morning, and not throw up,’ he said, ‘knowing that you’ve got people out there ... how in the world?’


32 posted on 05/29/2014 5:17:10 AM PDT by BilLies (sharyl attkisson is alive and well HOORAY!!!!!)
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To: Nachum

Don’t get distracted. This dog-and-pony show is a magician’s curtain hiding the next
evil plot by elprissydentay and his evil minions.

I’m not saying that the VA scandal is unimportant. It is a huge, horrendous blot on the
presidency of this narcissistic fop. While he is trying to smoke-and-mirrors us, we must
keep hawk eyes on what else the administration is doing while we try to fix the VA.


33 posted on 05/29/2014 5:49:54 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: longfellow

“The past five years, the VA has actually reported a surplus of funds they were unable to spend for at least five years.-—was any of this due to the republicans blocking ?”

I am not a budget expert but I don’t know by what mechanism any sort of “repub blocking” could do this once funds have been allocated to the VA and placed in their hands. I suppose it is possible that the funds were supposed to be for “office furniture” vs “medical care” but my understanding is they were VA funds and thus past any form of Congressional bickering or bargaining.


34 posted on 05/29/2014 6:18:47 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: longfellow

“I keep hearing this IS a republican failure that they are holding up the funding??”......

When the VA already has more money than they can spend, I would expect the answer to your question is evident.


35 posted on 05/29/2014 6:36:53 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Sequoyah101
NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. NOTHING.

Unfortunately I believe you are right. Like every other scandal it will disappear like a fart in the wind. These scumbags will walk out of office with nary a slap on the wrist.

Pathetic really.

36 posted on 05/29/2014 7:17:09 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Nachum

The Veterans Administration (VA), mismanagement has been increasing yearly. Most of the problems started during the Lyndon Johnson administration and have continued to worsen through subsequent Government administrations.

Born on the Fourth of July (2/9) Movie CLIP - Treated Like a Human Being (1989) HD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsRDr3miUyc


37 posted on 05/29/2014 10:00:30 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Wuli

None of this in new. My dad testified in 1974 to congress on the problems in the VA at that time.


38 posted on 05/29/2014 10:08:55 AM PDT by shotgun
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