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Israel Warns Cruz Against U.S.-Iran Deal
The Blaze ^ | May. 28, 2014 | Fred Lucas

Posted on 05/28/2014 11:45:14 PM PDT by kingattax

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) came away from meeting with Israeli leaders struck by their unanimous opposition across political lines to the U.S. negotiations with Iran.

“I met with roughly a dozen senior officials in Israel across political parties and across political views, and every single leader with whom I met, number one viewed the prospect of Iran gaining nuclear weapons capability as the gravest national security threat facing Israel and facing the United States,” Cruz said in a conference call with reporters Wednesday.

“Number two, every single leader across the political spectrum viewed the current deal being negotiated in Geneva, as in the words of Prime Minister Netanyahu, a very, very bad deal and a historic mistake,” Cruz added.

While in Israel Tuesday, Cruz met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Knesset Speaker Yuli Edelstein, Defense Minister Moshe “Bogi” Ya’alon, opposition leader Bogie Herzog, Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz and Israeli Gen. Yossi Kuperwasser.

It was the first leg of Cruz’s international trip. The rest was in Eastern Europe where he met with government and religious leaders in Ukraine Wednesday, including recent President-elect Petro Poroshenko. He was set to fly to Poland Wednesday night before going to Estonia on Thursday. The swing through international hot spots could bolster the conservative freshman senator’s expected 2016 presidential campaign.

(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cruz; cruztrip; iran; israel; tedcruz; texas; ukraine; waronterror
President Cruz ?
1 posted on 05/28/2014 11:45:14 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Israel knows who is the next President of the USA.


2 posted on 05/28/2014 11:51:32 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Boycott Las Vegas- Payback for Harry Reid- ( Vegas owns Reid.))
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To: kingattax
President Cruz ?

Sure looks to me like he's gunning for it. More power to him. He's got my vote. Unless Sarah runs.

3 posted on 05/28/2014 11:55:12 PM PDT by upchuck (Support ABLE, the Anybody But Lindsey Effort. Yes, we are the ABLE!!)
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To: upchuck

sarah has found her niche - and its not elective politics.


4 posted on 05/28/2014 11:59:11 PM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: kingattax; upchuck; matthew fuller

Wait? Wasn’t everybody mad when Obama was violating the Logan Amendment as a Senator, and before that John Kerry doing it? Conservatives should be consistent to their beliefs. A Senator is not supposed to be interfering in foreign policy.


5 posted on 05/29/2014 12:04:13 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Senator Cruz serves on the Armed Services Committee. what exactly is he doing that you apparently object to ?


6 posted on 05/29/2014 12:07:45 AM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: kingattax

I don’t object to what he is saying. Have you heard of the Logan Amendment? Do you remember how mad people were when Senator Obama traveling to other countries negotiating foreign policy?


7 posted on 05/29/2014 12:17:31 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

very respectfully, which is it ? you want to indict Sen Cruz for violating the Logan Act or you want to give a history lesson ?


8 posted on 05/29/2014 12:41:32 AM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: kingattax

So conservatives are supposed to abandon the rule of law and the Constitution? Have you already joined the left? It’s like MSNBC decides what conservatism is now.


10 posted on 05/29/2014 12:49:29 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: kingattax

This sure looks like Cruz is positioning himself for 2016. Glad to see it. He’s a little young, but I don’t see anyone better on the horizon.


11 posted on 05/29/2014 1:01:33 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: nickcarraway

since i respectfully attempted to arrive at the specific basis for your displeasure with Sen Cruz, all i received was a silly question and an equally silly accusation.

there can be some wonderful moments here in FreeRepublic where an exchange with someone can bring a fresh new perspective or a valuable learning experience.

regretfully you provided neither.


12 posted on 05/29/2014 1:13:28 AM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: kingattax

I think I was very clear. Senator Cruz, although I may agree with his views, is not supposed to be interfering with foreign policy. Why is that so difficult to understand? If conservative ideas mean something, we should adhere to them, right? How can we justify criticizing Obama for doing something, and then ignore it when someone we like does it?


13 posted on 05/29/2014 1:44:39 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway; All
Text of the Logan Act:

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments. Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

Note the qualification "without the authority of the United States".

Now, be aware of the official position of the Department of State as of 1995:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution.

Thus, it appears that members of Congress are "authorized" to have conversations with foreign governments -- but not to >negotiate with them unless expressly authorized by the President.

Notably, only one indictment has been brought under Section 953 -- that against Peter Flournoy, a private citizen, in 1803. But the case was dropped and there has never been a prosecution under the Logan Act.

There have been times when members of Congress have apparently entered negotiations with foreign governments without proper authority and, indeed, work to defeat a policy of the United States. In these cases, the argument that they have violated the Logan Act can certainly be made -- though it has never led to a prosecution.

However, Senator Cruz clearly has not exceeded his authority under the terms of the act.

14 posted on 05/29/2014 2:16:52 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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To: okie01

Thanks for posting.


15 posted on 05/29/2014 2:22:33 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: nickcarraway; kingattax
Obama was on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Plus, Obama had aligned himself with Richard Lugar who held the republican chair of the committee.

This is a foreign policy doctrine issue, not a political issue.

On one side are the NeoCon republicans aligned with the Liberal Interventionist democrats versus the Realists who can be a democrat or republican.

To put it another way: Republican Senator Mark Kirk and Democrat Senator Robert Menendez versus Republican Senator Bob Corker and Democrat Senator Diane Feinstein.

Or to put it another way: AIPAC versus J Street

16 posted on 05/29/2014 5:40:55 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: nickcarraway
Have you heard of the Logan Amendment?

No not really but I did look it up. Funny I haven't heard this mentioned in any recent campaigns. Wouldn't this apply to Senator McCain sticking his nose into Libya, Syria and Ukraine's internal affairs.

17 posted on 05/29/2014 6:01:48 AM PDT by McGruff (What if I told you your leaders were lying to you?)
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18 posted on 05/29/2014 7:03:00 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: nickcarraway
I think I was very clear. Senator Cruz, although I may agree with his views, is not supposed to be interfering with foreign policy.

You're wrong.

Cruz didn't negotiate with Israel. Instead it looks like a run of he mill fact finding mission.

19 posted on 05/29/2014 5:25:03 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Ben Ficklin

There is nothing realist about an ideology that declare ideology irrelevent. And there is nothing realist about allowing Iran to have nukes. It’s suicide by cowardice.


20 posted on 05/29/2014 9:36:07 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew
I don't have anything to do with the nomenclature, that's the name used, and sometimes Pragmatic is used rather than Realist. One example of Realism is Henry Kissinger and Realpolitik.

And Realism is used as an opposition to Idealism. The Liberal Interventionists and NeoCons are Idealists. The idealists advocate for a foreign policy that includes humanitarianism, nation building, and spreading democracy but the Realists say only what is in the US interests. So the Idealists say we should go after Assad in Syria for idealistic reasons but the Realists say only if that is in our best interest. And sometimes the Realists advocate for making a deal with an evil, despotic national leader like Pinochet, in which case it is said that the Realists are Machiavellian.

In the GOP there are Realists, NeoCons, and Isolationists. In the dem party there are Realists, Liberal Interventionists, and Antiwar Pacifists. The vast majority of Careerists(military, State dept, intelligence) are Realists.

A repubilican prez's foreign policy team will always be made up of Realists and NeoCons. A dem prez's foreign policy team will always be made up of Realists and Liberal Interventionists.

21 posted on 05/30/2014 4:26:08 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: okie01; nickcarraway; kingattax
Now, be aware of the official position of the Department of State as of 1995:
The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution.


Now is your chance, nickcarraway, to man up and admit that maybe, just maybe, you were wrong.
22 posted on 05/30/2014 12:24:58 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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23 posted on 05/30/2014 12:28:49 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie; nickcarraway
Now is your chance, nickcarraway, to man up and admit that maybe, just maybe, you were wrong.

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24 posted on 05/30/2014 12:57:18 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: upchuck

I listened to Sarah last night. She’s not running. She did not say, “I am not running”. Everything, and I mean everything, in her tone and body language rejected the notion.


25 posted on 05/30/2014 1:03:31 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
I listened to Sarah last night. She’s not running. She did not say, “I am not running”. Everything, and I mean everything, in her tone and body language rejected the notion.

Can't say I blame her. Then again, she doesn't make decisions on her own. She's guided by faith and family, so I trust whatever direction she takes.

26 posted on 05/30/2014 1:09:38 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: COBOL2Java

I don’t blame her either. They have terrorized her family.


27 posted on 05/30/2014 1:11:47 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: SoConPubbie; okie01; kingattax
Okay, now is the chance for us to all man up. Did you read my original post? In 2007/2008 Free Republic was upset that Senator Obama was negotiating with foreign governments and should be prosecuted for it? So, what gives, these laws apply to some people and not others.

Conservatism only works by having a consistent ideology and sticking to it. Too many conservatives are adopting left wing thought patterns. Conservatives are supposed to be for the Constitution and the rule of law. Are you saying that conservatives were unfairly attacking Obama back then, or Cruz is doing something he shouldn't know?

28 posted on 05/30/2014 5:14:08 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: xzins

Let’s wait, and see.

2016 is still a long way, from now.


29 posted on 05/30/2014 5:18:06 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I’ve no problem with wait and see. At the same time, in my mind it’s 99.9% that she isn’t running.


30 posted on 05/30/2014 5:22:22 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

I am of the opposite opinion.

She was going to run in 2012. Then at the last minute, changed her mind.

I believe four years later, that may very well have resolved itself.

We shall see. :D


31 posted on 05/30/2014 5:24:21 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: nickcarraway; SoConPubbie; kingattax
Are you saying that conservatives were unfairly attacking Obama back then, or Cruz is doing something he shouldn't know?

Obama was negotiating with the Iraq government concerning the terms of withdrawal. And he was negotiating a policy that was counter to the legitimate Bush administration.

That would seem to be a violation of the Logan Act.

Cruz is having conversations with foreign governments regarding their situation, apprehensions and aspirations. There is no evidence that he is negotiating anything or acting counter to any established American foreign policy.

I.e., there is no violation of the Logan Act.

Which is to say that criticism of Obama in 2008 and approval of Cruz in 2014 is neither being inconsistent or hypocritical.

32 posted on 05/30/2014 5:24:36 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

If you’re right I’ll buy you a cup of coffee. :>)


33 posted on 05/30/2014 5:29:09 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: SoConPubbie; okie01; kingattax
Confirmation: Obama Did Violate the Logan Act By Meddling in Iraq

Ex-prosecutor: Obama's Kenyan activities may be 'criminal' (Logan Act Violation)

Impeachment of Obama under Logan Act: but which of his violations?

Impeachment of Obama under Logan Act: but which of his violations?

Did Obama Violate the Logan Act?

(Obama and the Logan Act) 18 U.S.C. § 953 - Private Correspondence with Foreign Governments

34 posted on 05/30/2014 5:33:30 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: kingattax; SoConPubbie

“With respect to Iran, I believe we are repeating the same mistakes of the Clinton administration in 1990s with respect to North Korea,” Cruz said. “In the 1990s, we relaxed our sanctions against North Korea response to vague and worthless promises just like those in Geneva now. As a consequence, billions of dollars flowed to North Korea and North Korea used those funds to develop nuclear weapons.”

- - - -

Of course. Demonic-rat administrations never comprehend Communists or Moslems because they’re too closely aligned: anti-freedom, anti-American.


35 posted on 05/30/2014 5:43:23 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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