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Kentucky Guv: Either McConnell Is Clueless Or Misleading On Obamacare
talkingpointsmemo.com ^ | 5/28/14 | Daniel Straus

Posted on 05/29/2014 5:22:14 AM PDT by cotton1706

Add Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear (D) to the list of Democrats attacking Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) for saying Obamacare should be repealed but Kentucky's Obamacare exchange, Kynect, should stay in place.

That statement by McConnell's campaign has sparked criticism by both the Lexington Herald Leader editorial board and Jonathan Hurst, the campaign manager for Democrat Alison Lundergan Grimes, who's running against McConnell.

Here's Beshear's response, passed to TPM on Wednesday in response to questions about McConnell's position:

Eliminating ACA means that folks with pre-existing conditions will struggle to find coverage, young adults won't be able to stay on their parents' coverage, women won't be treated equally by insurers and federal subsidies for Kentuckians will end. Senator McConnell either doesn't understand what the ACA is, or is just trying to mislead Kentucky families for his political benefit at their expense.

Beshear has been widely praised for setting up Kynect, which is often regarded as the model for state-based marketplaces created through Obamacare.

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McConnell LIVES to muddy the waters and undermine a clear position.

Hopefully, he'll lose in November.

1 posted on 05/29/2014 5:22:15 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

But...but...but...CommieCare is beautiful!


2 posted on 05/29/2014 5:23:27 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: cotton1706; AuH2ORepublican

Madness, hoping a liberal democrat will get elected to the Senate over an 85%+ conservative Republican, absolute insane madness.

How does it feel being having the same wish as Barack Obama and Harry Reid?


3 posted on 05/29/2014 5:25:40 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: cotton1706

McConnell deserves to lose after attacking the KY conservatives as viciously as he did. Hopefully, the Republicans can pick up another Senate seat to stay on track for a majority without him.


4 posted on 05/29/2014 5:27:05 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: cotton1706

Why does it have to be an “or” condition?


5 posted on 05/29/2014 5:28:51 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about.)
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To: Impy

The argument’s been made any number of times before. McConnell is an underminer and an insidious schemer. If he was a back-bencher with his voting record, I would support him. But he VOTES conservative and then UNDERMINES conservatives at every turn. And he’ll be “leader.”

My goal is to make the US Senate a more conservative body. And yes the US Senate will be more conservative with a democrat sitting in his seat.


6 posted on 05/29/2014 5:32:40 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: cotton1706; AuH2ORepublican

No, it won’t, that’s insane non-logic. And you won’t like the next leader either.


7 posted on 05/29/2014 5:36:30 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy
Getting rid of a liberal from the Senate will make the Senate more conservative. Especially if that liberal is a republican who provides critical procedural votes to enable Reid's agenda.

/johnny

8 posted on 05/29/2014 5:44:02 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Old Yeller
Why does it have to be an “or” condition?

Because repeal Obamacare in its entirity and you take away the insurance premium subisidies and additional Medicaid funding that make Kynect possible. You can still have the exchange but with little or nothing to offer on it.

9 posted on 05/29/2014 5:44:23 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Impy

“No, it won’t, that’s insane non-logic. And you won’t like the next leader either.”

I probably won’t. But we won’t have a leader that intentionally and with relish, goes after conservatives with a meat cleaver but gently rubs democrats with a dull butter knife. Conservatism cannot advance in the Senate with Mitch McConnell as leader, for he willfully works to undermine it. And he lusts after the power that he’s ceded to the Majority Leader position over the past several years. That’s very dangerous. I don’t care about the “r” next to his name.


10 posted on 05/29/2014 5:46:54 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: JRandomFreeper

If it doesn’t make the Senate more conservative it will at least make the GOP more conservative, which is a good thing too


11 posted on 05/29/2014 5:47:19 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Impy

...”Madness, hoping a liberal democrat will get elected to the Senate over an 85%+ conservative Republican, absolute insane madness.

How does it feel being having the same wish as Barack Obama and Harry Reid?”...

Exactly! It is no less a than a death wish. Why do people think all the big leftist resources are focused on KY, including hedonistic Hollywood. They want to beat McConnel more than any other Senator, because they view him and his power as a block to their socialist intentions. As for Obamacare, the VA scandal is the trailer to what will take place there. It will give bureaucrats the power over life and death. There will be no need for gas chambers or firing squads when the enemies of freedom win. They will simply hide murders inside the healthcare system. This is what I believe and human nature without God but with raw power throughout history back me up.


12 posted on 05/29/2014 5:51:24 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: jazzlite
McConnell has provided critical procedural votes to advance Reid's agenda. If the dem win in KY, not much changes for Reid. He still gets the votes he needs in the Senate.

/johnny

13 posted on 05/29/2014 5:55:14 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: GeronL

Although I agree on the premise that the senate would be more conservative without Senator Marbles, HOWEVER, it is the number of senators that count. He will vote whatever the leadership says to vote. If the left maintains a 51 to 49 control of the senate we are all screwed. Any and all legislation brought forward by dumbo will be passed. WE CAN AFFORD THAT AS A NATION. IMO, the best case would be to have Marbles voted in but not give a leadership role.


14 posted on 05/29/2014 5:58:02 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Where are we going, and what's with the handbasket?)
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To: Cyclone59

He will vote what the leadership says? He is the leadership and he is not on the same side as me for sure


15 posted on 05/29/2014 6:00:22 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Cyclone59
He is the republican leader in the Senate. That is not going to change as long as he is in the Senate.

Unfortunately, Cornyn is #2. I won't be voting for Cornyn in his general election.

/johnny

16 posted on 05/29/2014 6:01:39 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cotton1706

Let me apologize to all Kentuckians in advance, but, I have had direct dealings with Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear, he is the single most foolish of all the governors I have ever en-counted.

Gov. Steve Beshear has no grasp of reality, no ability, or so it seems, to grasp what is being said.


17 posted on 05/29/2014 6:02:42 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: JRandomFreeper; cotton1706; jazzlite; AuH2ORepublican
You aren't "getting rid of liberal" if you are replacing him with someone MUCH MUCH more liberal who supports a liberal majority leader and liberal committee chairman, and who would vote for a Stalinist Supreme Court Justice given the chance. Obamacare passed by 1 vote, 1 goddamn vote, that is the danger that every single democrat traitor swine poses.

I question the sanity of any conservative who advocates the election of a democrat to the United States Senate and if were up to me such advocacy would not be allowed here, DU is the place to go for that. Say "I won't support McConnell" fine, but openly calling for the election of a liberal pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-tax, pro-Obama *itch to the Senate, for 6 years!??? SIX YEARS?! No. I can't believe you guys are serious. This is textbook "cutting off your nose to spite your face".

18 posted on 05/29/2014 6:06:04 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: cotton1706

...”“No, it won’t, that’s insane non-logic. And you won’t like the next leader either.”

I probably won’t. But we won’t have a leader that intentionally and with relish, goes after conservatives with a meat cleaver but gently rubs democrats with a dull butter knife. Conservatism cannot advance in the Senate with Mitch McConnell as leader, for he willfully works to undermine it. And he lusts after the power that he’s ceded to the Majority Leader position over the past several years. That’s very dangerous. I don’t care about the “r” next to his name.” ...

I do not know whether you are Tea Party, but , the Primary election in KY shows how much that group failed. It is a great lack of insight into KY politics to think you can send a young woman from a 1% wealthy family, who are huge Obama supporters, to Washington D.C., with clout only to agree with the entire leftist agenda and kick out the person who has the power and knows the ropes concerning the possible ways to oppose it. Is he perfect. No! But, he is one of the few who has some power to stand against the worst of it. Again, why do you think so many huge resources are flooding into KY from California and from the Obama Organizations, in an effort to beat Sen. McConnel.


19 posted on 05/29/2014 6:06:30 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: cotton1706

...”“No, it won’t, that’s insane non-logic. And you won’t like the next leader either.”

I probably won’t. But we won’t have a leader that intentionally and with relish, goes after conservatives with a meat cleaver but gently rubs democrats with a dull butter knife. Conservatism cannot advance in the Senate with Mitch McConnell as leader, for he willfully works to undermine it. And he lusts after the power that he’s ceded to the Majority Leader position over the past several years. That’s very dangerous. I don’t care about the “r” next to his name.” ...

I do not know whether you are Tea Party, but , the Primary election in KY shows how much that group failed. It is a great lack of insight into KY politics to think you can send a young woman from a 1% wealthy family, who are huge Obama supporters, to Washington D.C., with clout only to agree with the entire leftist agenda and kick out the person who has the power and knows the ropes concerning the possible ways to oppose it. Is he perfect. No! But, he is one of the few who has some power to stand against the worst of it. Again, why do you think so many huge resources are flooding into KY from California and from the Obama Organizations, in an effort to beat Sen. McConnel.


20 posted on 05/29/2014 6:06:30 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Impy
Fortunately, it's a conservative web site, and not a republican web site. Bashing liberals (including republicans) is fine here.

Your problem is that even with all your yelling and arm waving, you aren't going to get conservatives to vote for your liberal republican candidates.

McConnell has supported Reid's agenda with critical procedural votes, and then had show votes for the rubes back home.

That doesn't work anymore.

The republican party can get conservative, or it can get destroyed. I don't care which.

/johnny

21 posted on 05/29/2014 6:09:49 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

...”McConnell has provided critical procedural votes to advance Reid’s agenda. If the dem win in KY, not much changes for Reid. He still gets the votes he needs in the Senate.”...

I totally disagree with your analysis.


22 posted on 05/29/2014 6:11:34 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: jazzlite
he is one of the few who has some power to stand against the worst of it.

And he doesn't. In fact, he supplies Reid with critical procedural votes to advance Reid's agenda.

/johnny

23 posted on 05/29/2014 6:12:02 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cotton1706

Hopefully, he’ll lose in November.
___

... and be replaced by someone even worse. Future’s bleak regarding the KY senate race. No matter who wins the people lose.


24 posted on 05/29/2014 6:12:35 AM PDT by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

...”Let me apologize to all Kentuckians in advance, but, I have had direct dealings with Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear, he is the single most foolish of all the governors I have ever en-counted.

Gov. Steve Beshear has no grasp of reality, no ability, or so it seems, to grasp what is being said.”...

KY is an odd state. It’s population is very conservative, but it’s pattern is to elect Democrat Governor’s. It is the “machine.”


25 posted on 05/29/2014 6:19:34 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: JRandomFreeper; cotton1706; jazzlite; AuH2ORepublican

And it’s not a DEMOCRAT website either, so it’s no place for endorsing liberal democrats. Bash McConnell all you want, he deserves plenty of criticism but it disgusts me to see Grimes campaign HQ set up on this thread, that is what I find unacceptable. Are you gonna post a link so people can donate to her?

If democrats win a 2/3 to 80% majority in Congress like some people here seem to want, then it will be America that gets destroyed.


26 posted on 05/29/2014 6:21:16 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy

...”You aren’t “getting rid of liberal” if you are replacing him with someone MUCH MUCH more liberal who supports a liberal majority leader and liberal committee chairman, and who would vote for a Stalinist Supreme Court Justice given the chance. Obamacare passed by 1 vote, 1 goddamn vote, that is the danger that every single democrat traitor swine poses.
I question the sanity of any conservative who advocates the election of a democrat to the United States Senate and if were up to me such advocacy would not be allowed here, DU is the place to go for that. Say “I won’t support McConnell” fine, but openly calling for the election of a liberal pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-tax, pro-Obama *itch to the Senate, for 6 years!??? SIX YEARS?! No. I can’t believe you guys are serious. This is textbook “cutting off your nose to spite your face”. “...

You said it perfectly! Thank you!


27 posted on 05/29/2014 6:22:19 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Impy
I'm not supporting Grimes. I don't support liberals of either party. I just don't want McConnell to win. I hope he loses.

/johnny

28 posted on 05/29/2014 6:23:39 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: jazzlite

The people I know will vote for McConnell. Even my son, who originally thought he would vote for Bevin, didn’t. A Rino is better than a socialist!


29 posted on 05/29/2014 6:25:28 AM PDT by KYGrandma (The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home.....)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Do you also hope Grimes loses?


30 posted on 05/29/2014 6:28:52 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy

“No, it won’t, that’s insane non-logic. And you won’t like the next leader”

We can win the rest of our senate races, rid ourselves of McConnell
and be just fine. McConnell trashed and then bragged about crushing
conservatives in KY, you know, the same voters he will need to win.

Why would ANY KY conservative crawl over glass to vote for McConnell,
no matter how often McConnell sends out his Mini-Me, Rand Paul, to
prop him up?

The answer is they won’t. Nor should they.


31 posted on 05/29/2014 6:29:07 AM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: JRandomFreeper

...”The republican party can get conservative, or it can get destroyed. I don’t care which.”...

Well, Johnny...The only thing I can say is that you should care about how a more Conservative America comes about, because there are despots in every situation and the “destruction” option usually does not end well when the despots end up gaining the power they lust for.


32 posted on 05/29/2014 6:29:20 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: tennmountainman

Last time I checked no one had to “crawl over glass” in order to go vote, I have to walk one block from my home.


33 posted on 05/29/2014 6:30:52 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: jazzlite
The Whigs were destroyed because they became irrelevant. The same can happen to the Republicans. The world won't end.

Running as a liberal republican needs to be a political kiss of death in a general election.

/johnny

34 posted on 05/29/2014 6:31:06 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Impy; All

How does it feel being having the same wish as Barack Obama and Harry Reid?
______________________________________________________________________________________________________

REPLY TO: Wimpy.... Oops, I mean Impy: You didn’t ask me, but it feels damn good. When I was a kid in school, I loved seeing the playground bully get his a** kicked by anybody who could do it. Any political bully who vows to crush members of his Party who are not a Beltway political whore like him, deserves his a** kicked; even if the job is done by someone I don’t like. DITCH MITCH!!!


35 posted on 05/29/2014 6:33:41 AM PDT by Din Maker (Susana Martinez in 2016! Governor, Conservative, Female and Hispanic)
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To: Impy
McConnell won his last general election by 6% against a weak Dem opponent. That was before he had promised to 'crush conservatives'. He has a much stronger Dem opponent with big money.

McConnell is likely to lose this election. It won't take many conservatives leaving that race on the ballot blank to sink him.

/johnny

36 posted on 05/29/2014 6:33:52 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: lakecumberlandvet

...”and be replaced by someone even worse. Future’s bleak regarding the KY senate race. No matter who wins the people lose.”...

That seems to be true, no matter what “we the people” do. It is what happens under an out of control big central government. I think the states who elect conservative governor’s are the smartest and respond the best to their people.


37 posted on 05/29/2014 6:34:44 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Old Yeller; cotton1706; All
"Why does it have to be an “or” condition?"
(Sen)ile Mitch "RustlerGATE Reid's *itch" McConnell (Himself-GOP/e); Is suffering from "Dick Lugar
syndrome"
it's where you sell-out your beliefs/honor (*snicker*) and your state to very corrupting
"insider Washington interests", while attacking your political base. Physical attributes; you walk around
(proverbial) w/your head-up your @$; usually a fatal political condition, if the voters notices it.

38 posted on 05/29/2014 6:35:01 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: Impy
I don't want to see any liberal win power, ever. But especially republican liberals.

/johnny

39 posted on 05/29/2014 6:36:10 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cotton1706; Impy

“My goal is to make the US Senate a more conservative body.”

Bulfeathers. Your goal is to show what a big fellow you are and how “pure” your conservatism is. If you wanted the Senate to be a more conservative body you wouldn’t want to replace a Senator with a career ACU rating of above 90 (over 30 years, mind you; it’s been even higher the past few years) with a liberal Democrat who will compile at best an ACU rating of 10. And we’re not talking about a two-year term, either; Allison Lundergan Grimes (or Grimey, as she prefers to be called) would be elected to a six-year term, and given the she’s a young, attractive female, and Kentucky likes its incumbents, Grimey would have a good shot of being reelected in 2020—remember, Landrieu, Lincoln and McCaskill all were reelected to the Senate (McCaskill won in 2006 in part because Missouri conservatives wanted to “teach Jim Talent a lesson”; Talent was conservative, but not perfect), and they got 6 years of an ultraliberal voting record, a filibuster-proof Democrat majority for over a year, Obamacare being shoved down our throats thanks to her vote, etc., and then couldn’t even get rid of her in 2012 because they nominated Akin and he went off about “legitimate rape” and then refused to step aside for a candidate who could win, so they’re stuck with her for 6 more years). Having KY, one of our more conservative states, sending a liberal Democrat to the Senate for 6, or maybe 12+, years will not result in a more conservative Senate.

As for whether we can win another Senate seat to withstand a loss in KY and still get a Senate majority, I agree with you, we can get to 51+ seats without McConnell. But with Grimey in that KY seat, it would make it that much more difficult to retain a Senate majority after the 2016 elections, in which the GOP will have a far greater number of vulnerable seats than will the Democrats. I would like for the GOP to have 54 Senators after this November in order to have a sufficient cushion to withstand likely losses in 2016; with Grimey in there for 6 years, it makes it more likely than not that the Democrats will control the Senate after 2016. That would mean that the Republican Senate leader that replaces McConnell (likely Cornyn, who is no more conservative or steel-spined than McConnell, but maybe someone better) will likely be minority leade after 2016, and would lead a slight majority after 2018, which is not conducive to advancing conservative legislation.

The Republican leader in the Senate always will be disappointing, because it is exceedingly difficult to get any legislation approved in the Senate without 60 votes, and impossibly to get anything done when in the minority. You’re correct that we might get a more conservative leader than McConnell were Grimey to defeat him, but Cornyn would have the upper hand in the contest (let’s put it this way: if conservatives have the votes to elect a 100% conservative over Cornyn as leader in January 2017, they would have the votes to replace McConnell (who has more baggage than Cornyn) with a 100% conservative), and if Cornyn wins he might stay as leader for a decade, while McConnell wouldn’t stay as leader for that much longer. And getting a more conservative leader may not change things that much, given that Bob Dole was more conservative than Howard Baker, Trent Lott was more conservative than Dole, Bill Frist was more conservative than Lott, and McConnell was more conservative than Frist.

So think about it, and see whether you still conclude that t is better to elect Grimey than to reelect McConnell.


40 posted on 05/29/2014 6:36:33 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: Impy

It is a term used to describe voter enthusiasm.

The fact is McConnell only won his last election in KY by 6%.
And that was before he trashed every conservative in Ky.

It will only take a small percent of KY conservatives to make McConnell
the newest member of Trent Lott’s DC Lobbying Firm.

There will not be enough Rove/Bushite votes to save McConnell.


41 posted on 05/29/2014 6:38:33 AM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

McConnell is an anti-conservative who promised to use his power and office to squash the TEA Party. He needs to be sent home.


42 posted on 05/29/2014 6:38:35 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Impy

...”If democrats win a 2/3 to 80% majority in Congress like some people here seem to want, then it will be America that gets destroyed.”...

Straight talk refreshes, Impy, and I agree whole-heartedly.


43 posted on 05/29/2014 6:38:35 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: tennmountainman

Reid and Obama sure hope there won’t be. I disagree with them.


44 posted on 05/29/2014 6:39:40 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
I won't be voting for Cornyn in the general election.

His critical cloture vote to support Reid's removal of the debt limit was the last straw.

That Reid-supporting liberal bastard can win or lose without my vote.

/johnny

45 posted on 05/29/2014 6:40:56 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy

I notice you failed to answer my question.

If you hope Grimes will win, then you support her, there is no meaningful distinction between hoping a candidate will win and supporting them.

Now it’s extremely unrealistic to hope both she AND McConnell will lose but I can respect that if that is your position. Both are “liberals” (even though he’s not but I’ll play along) so if you hate “liberals” you should hope they both lose.

I’ll ask again, do you hope Grimes will lose?


46 posted on 05/29/2014 6:41:17 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: JRandomFreeper

...”I’m not supporting Grimes. I don’t support liberals of either party. I just don’t want McConnell to win. I hope he loses.
/johnny “...

I think you are playing mind games, Johnny.


47 posted on 05/29/2014 6:42:19 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Impy

McConnell is Obama’s play toy


48 posted on 05/29/2014 6:42:54 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: KYGrandma

......”The people I know will vote for McConnell. Even my son, who originally thought he would vote for Bevin, didn’t. A Rino is better than a socialist!”.......

Absolutely!


49 posted on 05/29/2014 6:43:55 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: GeronL

How come Reid and Obama endorsed the *itch then? Hmm? If he’s so good for them why do they want her? Think.


50 posted on 05/29/2014 6:44:12 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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