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Email suggests Snowden went to NSA first
The Hill ^ | May 29, 2014 | Julian Hattem

Posted on 05/29/2014 10:26:17 AM PDT by yoe

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New reporting seems to confirm government leaker Edward Snowden’s claim that he tried to bring his concerns up the chain of command before leaking top-secret documents to the press.

“I actually did go through channels, and that is documented,” he told NBC in an interview on Wednesday evening. “The NSA [National Security Agency] has records, they have copies of emails right now to their Office of General Counsel, to their oversight and compliance folks, from me raising concerns about the NSA’s interpretations of its legal authorities.”

[snip]n the April 5, 2013, email, he questioned the spy agency’s legal rationale for snooping on Americans and asked them to confirm the hierarchy of U.S. law, people who had read the email told NBC.

He put the Constitution on the top, and under that said that authority fell to the system of federal laws, regulations from the Defense Department, rules from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and then, on the bottom, NSA policy.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nsa; snowden; snowdennsa
The final chapters on Snowden have yet to be written....we do know that Obama is spying on American citizens...and that Obama has proved to be an extreme, ideologue who has had radical Imams to the White House meetings even though they want all Jews dead....what is going on.
1 posted on 05/29/2014 10:26:17 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

Bam bam considers Americans to be his enemy and is planning to make war on us.


2 posted on 05/29/2014 10:29:31 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: yoe
"what is going on."

It's getting increasingly difficult to answer that, without resorting to argumentum ad Hitlerum.

3 posted on 05/29/2014 10:31:53 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: yoe

Had Snowden come out when a Republican was in the White House, he would be a clear hero, whistleblower and brave patriot.

But since Snowden’s leaks implicate a socialist, we are made to question his motives, his honesty, his credibility and his loyalty to the USA.


4 posted on 05/29/2014 10:32:22 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: yoe

I heard the interview was heavily edited.


5 posted on 05/29/2014 10:34:53 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: yoe

6 posted on 05/29/2014 10:35:10 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: yoe
I always believed that there is more to the Snowden episode. When we get the white house in 2016 I feel that the President should fully pardon Snowden, bring him back to the US, and start a full investigation including email proofs that he tried to do the patriotic thing. That is why I took no stand because knowing the King Obama communists empire they start the crucifixion of Snowden. And the constant Republican drumming the same liberal crap, I really got suspicious.
7 posted on 05/29/2014 10:45:16 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

I did not watch the broadcast, but the newsies reported this morning that the actual interview was about 5 hours in length. So Williams/NBC did a lot of cutting.


8 posted on 05/29/2014 10:47:14 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Erik Latranyi

“Had Snowden come out when a Republican was in the White House, he would be a clear hero, whistleblower and brave patriot.”

I’m not so sure...


9 posted on 05/29/2014 10:51:03 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I’m not so sure...

I am 100% sure.

10 posted on 05/29/2014 11:07:36 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi
"But since Snowden's leaks implicate a socialist"

I suggest you spend 3 hours watching the PBS Frontline show United States of Secrets that recently aired.

The first episode was 2 hours and detailed how Cheney and Bush set it up and how Obama didn't change a thing.

Especially pay attention to those interviews with General Hayden and Al Gonzales

11 posted on 05/29/2014 11:08:55 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: TomGuy

It may have been to protect identities. He doesn’t have to name names...just tell a story and one could guess.


12 posted on 05/29/2014 11:09:36 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

The interview was heavily edited to make Snowden look good. Unless they release the entire interview it is just another piece of MSM crap.
There was only one new item in the interview. The statement that he did an internal whistle blow...that will turn out to be either true or false.
The fact that hackers..or NSA can turn on your computer or phone and use keystroke logging, camera and mic is not news. It is unlikely that the NSA or anyone would have the capacity to do that to all except targeted people. It is really just like using a radio frequency devise..you must assume that it is not secure.
Snowden didn’t need to release the huge amount of information to whistle blow. He could have gone to almost any reporter at Wapo or NYT and released only a small amount of information and gotten the word out. So..in my book he insured that our enemies got a big shot of info to destroy some of our intelligence efforts.
NBC needs to release the entire interview.


13 posted on 05/29/2014 11:11:23 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Ben Ficklin
The first episode was 2 hours and detailed how Cheney and Bush set it up and how Obama didn't change a thing.

I know that. But you are spouting facts that have no bearing on liberal groupthink.

You think the facts of Valerie Plame were important?

I am 100% sure that Snowden would still be a US citizen and interviewed on every network, including Oprah, showing how evil Republicans are.

Snowden would be a special correspondent for CNN to talk about every NSA story.

Yes, the RINOs on our side are just as bad and unconstitutional. But that is irrelevant to what I said.

14 posted on 05/29/2014 11:16:46 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: All

Snowden released various information, not merely spying on citizens.

If he is the big civil libertarian hero...why did he release espionage information regarding enemies and adversaries?


15 posted on 05/29/2014 11:25:02 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: TomGuy

I’ll bet Zero’s peeps have what was “on the cutting room floor,” as well.

HF


16 posted on 05/29/2014 11:28:53 AM PDT by holden
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To: yoe

Just like so many of the Obama administration “Scandals” there is more iceberg below the waterline than above.


17 posted on 05/29/2014 11:37:09 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Erik Latranyi

“I am 100% sure. “

Perhaps you are a republican? They tend to be blind to the shortcomings of their wing of the Central Oligarchy Party...

It was under their watch that the “Patriot Act” was passed.


18 posted on 05/29/2014 3:19:42 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: Oldexpat

“Snowden didn’t need to release the huge amount of information to whistle blow. He could have gone to almost any reporter at Wapo or NYT and released only a small amount of information and gotten the word out. “

Disagree. The press is not independent. Remember, Obama went public and denied the spying at first, until Snowden released additional info. I’m glad he did. The revelations are not over yet.


19 posted on 05/29/2014 4:11:01 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Yeahhh....Riiiight...and the info he released related to espionage in relation to our enemies.....how is that related to his altruistic releasing of info on domestic spying?


20 posted on 05/29/2014 6:39:53 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

“Yeahhh....Riiiight...and the info he released related to espionage in relation to our enemies.....how is that related to his altruistic releasing of info on domestic spying?”

And by enemies, you must be referring to people we consider allies?????


21 posted on 05/29/2014 7:49:00 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Snowden released vast amounts of information, which belies the lie that he is a patriot attempting to inform US citizens.

He dumped three varieties of information.

1. Information related to espionage related to enemies and adversaries...Russia, Iran, China etc.

2. Information related to spying on allies...Germany, France etc.

3. Information related to domestic spying.

Patriot my azz.


22 posted on 05/29/2014 8:05:07 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr
Snowden released vast amounts of information, which belies the lie that he is a patriot attempting to inform US citizens. He dumped three varieties of information. 1. Information related to espionage related to enemies and adversaries...Russia, Iran, China etc. 2. Information related to spying on allies...Germany, France etc. 3. Information related to domestic spying. Patriot my azz.


1. I never called him a patriot. I value his service and sacrifice. Based on your post alone, I wouldn't identify you as a patriot either.
2. I do not believe he was trying to inform just US citizens. I believe he was informing the world that their own governments were violating privacy as well.
3. I know nothing about you "azz." I believe your post shows how little you know about the Constitution.

23 posted on 05/29/2014 8:12:56 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

You appear to make asinine assumptions and weak ad hominem “arguments” your bread and butter.

You ignored his treasonous actions.

Address the points.


24 posted on 05/30/2014 5:09:03 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

“You ignored his treasonous actions.”

I do not consider them treasonous. I addressed all other points. But to make it clearer for you...

I consider the actions of the NSA, their supporters in Congress and the current Administration - and supporters, which appears to include you - to be treasonous. All are subverting the Constitution.


25 posted on 05/30/2014 6:39:35 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

How is dumping intel data to foreign governments,that are our clear enemies such as Russia, Iran and China, not treasonous?

LOL...no wonder they are spying on us, with citizens like yourself.


26 posted on 05/30/2014 9:58:40 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

“How is dumping intel data to foreign governments,that are our clear enemies such as Russia, Iran and China, not treasonous?”

“How is circumventing the meaning of the Constitution of The United States, that enshrines our rights as citizens, not treasonous?”


27 posted on 05/30/2014 11:10:56 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Circumventing the Constitution is treasonous. No argument there.

But why are you ignoring the traitorous actions by Snowden?


28 posted on 05/30/2014 2:08:12 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

“But why are you ignoring the traitorous actions by Snowden?”

I’ve not. I do not believe they are traitorous, as I already stated. Given that you can clearly read, why do you keep asking a question I’ve answered?


29 posted on 05/30/2014 2:41:15 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

You’re ignoring facts.

Snowden released intel data related to intel and covert activities against our enemies and adversaries, Russia, Iran and China.

So you have to suspend reality to champion Snowden as a hero.

Objectively, he is not.


30 posted on 05/30/2014 2:57:15 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

“So you have to suspend reality to champion Snowden as a hero.”

I’m beginning to think that you do not read for comprehension FRiend. Please read this carefully because I will no longer correct your posts. It doesn’t seem to help...

I’ve not called him a patriot.
I’ve not called him a hero.
I’ve not ignored a single fact about what has been released.

I did say I am thankful for what he has done and his sacrifice. The world owes him a debt of gratitude. I fear the world will not wake up and that true patriots here in the US will not wake up.

In the meantime, the government, apparently with your support, is circumventing our Constitution, undermining our allies and making a mockery of the words “patriot” and “hero”.

best


31 posted on 05/30/2014 4:20:33 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“I did say I am thankful for what he has done and his sacrifice.”

Well glad you cleared that up.

You are thankful for his leaking intel data regarding intel and covert activities against enemies Russia, Iran and China.

Logically, either that is the case, or you are ignoring that reality, as I stated before.


32 posted on 05/30/2014 9:12:10 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Perhaps you are a republican? They tend to be blind to the shortcomings of their wing of the Central Oligarchy Party... It was under their watch that the “Patriot Act” was passed.

Perhaps you shoot off your mouth too quickly?

You should read my reply, in Post 14, before ejaculating your thoughts.

33 posted on 05/31/2014 3:45:42 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

Sorry FRiend, but you responded to my post. I responded to your post to me.

I am not going to go back through all your posts to other FReepers before I respond to your specific post to me.


34 posted on 05/31/2014 6:50:15 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: rbmillerjr

Not sure how my repeating the same thing a third or fourth time will clear it up for you FRiend...


35 posted on 05/31/2014 6:52:18 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I see you appointed yourself to be the arbitrator of who is conservative and who is not.

Pretty arrogant of you, don’t you think?


36 posted on 05/31/2014 7:18:49 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

Not really.

I’m talking about the objective facts of what Snowden did.

He didn’t merely leak out domestic data, he leaked out data regarding intel operations and covert activities in relation to our enemies, including Russia, China, Iran.

If we give him credit for exposing domestic spying, he should also get disdain for aiding and abetting our enemies.


37 posted on 05/31/2014 8:19:16 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“I see you appointed yourself to be the arbitrator of who is conservative and who is not.”

No I have not. If you are conservative, you do not support the circumventing of the Constitution. If you are a RINO, you will undermine it regularly.

I have no idea which you are. Only you can decide that. So, which are you?


38 posted on 05/31/2014 8:39:16 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

It’s totally within your right to ignore reality for a third or fourth time...have at it.


39 posted on 05/31/2014 12:29:53 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

Seen, acknowledged, dismissed.

Thanks for the conversation.


40 posted on 05/31/2014 12:32:07 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

More suspension of reality.

Facts can be hard things.


41 posted on 05/31/2014 1:32:04 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr
He didn’t merely leak out domestic data, he leaked out data regarding intel operations and covert activities in relation to our enemies, including Russia, China, Iran.

Did he reveal covert agents, blow covers or endanger lives?

His revelations were meant to put a lie to the extra-constitutional activities of the federal gov't.

Lastly, what was released by Snowden and what was released by the anti-constitutional forces (D & R) within our gov't to smear him?

42 posted on 05/31/2014 3:44:51 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

“His revelations were meant to put a lie to the extra-constitutional activities of the federal gov’t.”

If that were the case, he would have limited his data dumps and leaks to strictly domestic spying.

That’s not the case, he leaked out two other kinds of information.

1. Intel info on activities related to adversaries
3. Intel info on activities related to allies


43 posted on 05/31/2014 8:13:49 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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