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California Voters Consider Seceding to Create Nation's 51st State
BREITBART CALIFORNIA ^ | 29 May 2014 | by ADELLE NAZARIAN

Posted on 05/29/2014 7:20:05 PM PDT by kingattax

Come June 3, voters in California's northern counties who have complained about being neglected by the state Capitol for years, will have the opportunity to take their intention of forming the nation's 51st state, "Jefferson," one step closer to becoming a reality.

Voters in Del Norte and Tehama countie --with a population consisting of roughly 91,000 residents--will decide if they would like to join Glenn, Modoc, Siskiyou and Yuba counties in forming an advisory board to explore in greater depth the logistics surrounding the creation of "Jefferson" state, according to the Associated Press.

As many at 16 Northern California counties could opt into the effort to secede from the Golden State amid complaints from the region's residents who are fed up that they "have no representation whatsoever," citing the fact that there is only one state senator for 11 of the region's counties compared to 20 in the greater Los Angeles and 10 in San Francisco's Bay Area, the AP notes.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


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1 posted on 05/29/2014 7:20:05 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

California gives 54(?) electoral votes to liberal Democrats every election cycle.

Good luck busting that up.


2 posted on 05/29/2014 7:22:52 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: kingattax

Too bad it isn’t easier to do this sort of thing, but the party in power never voluntarily gives it up, especially Democrats.


3 posted on 05/29/2014 7:24:58 PM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: kingattax

We should keep California and expel LA and SF. Cal it LaLaLand.


4 posted on 05/29/2014 7:25:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Only 6 more States, and then OBAMA will have his 57 States.


5 posted on 05/29/2014 7:27:53 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: kingattax

This should read:

“California NitWit Who Thought This a Good Idea Proposes Moronic Prop to Drive More LibTards to Polls in November”.

If this gets 20% of the vote I’d be surprised. But it ensures ZERO advantage for the GOP here which would result from low Dim turnout. It wouldn’t be much, but it would be some.

No chance of that now.


6 posted on 05/29/2014 7:29:00 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: kingattax

I’m from one of those counties, and would love for them to break away, but the liberal power brokers in the population centers will never hand them the key to the chain locks. Besides, the Mexicans won’t tolerate a non-Hispanic entity breaking free to self-determination. California is conquered territory.


7 posted on 05/29/2014 7:29:13 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: kingattax
To do so is un-Constitutional. A new state cannot be formed within the borders of an existing state.

Article IV, Section 3;
“New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State".

8 posted on 05/29/2014 7:30:36 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Only Liberals can look at an amendment that says "shall not be infringed" and see blank parchment.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

WV


9 posted on 05/29/2014 7:31:08 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Pray for seismic activity!


10 posted on 05/29/2014 7:31:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Tzimisce

The name of the southern half of the state should be Stalinfornia.


11 posted on 05/29/2014 7:31:37 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Just doing laps around the sun and shaking my head that progressives can believe what they do!)
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To: RIghtwardHo

The vote is on June 3, not in November.


12 posted on 05/29/2014 7:32:09 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Constitution, schmonstitution....we don’t have to abide by that old parched document anymore. The Ruling Class doesn’t.


13 posted on 05/29/2014 7:33:48 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: morphing libertarian
WV

and NV

14 posted on 05/29/2014 7:36:48 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: publius911

what state was Nevada carved out of?


15 posted on 05/29/2014 7:37:57 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: kingattax

While I wish them luck, I don’t see the STATE giving up without a fight regardless of the popular vote.


16 posted on 05/29/2014 7:40:39 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

My understanding was that there is a provision in the constitution to create new states from existing states. I thought both the state involved plus Congress had to approve of a breakaway part of a state, but that it is allowable. I’ll look and see if I can find it.


17 posted on 05/29/2014 7:46:29 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
The full quotation reads
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
Now one can argue about whether the permission of the legislature(s) and Congress clause only applies to the formation os states by the junction of two or more states or parts of state, or encompasses the formation or erection of states within the jurisdiction of another, but the precedent of West Virginia makes it hard to argue that it doesn't apply to the whole list of otherwise forbidden actions.
18 posted on 05/29/2014 7:49:25 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Maine was formed out of Massachusetts during the time that the founders were still in power.


19 posted on 05/29/2014 7:49:56 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Eclipse, the sequel to Bright Horizons is out! Get it now!)
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To: MtnClimber

Stalinfornia. is Alameda County!
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20 posted on 05/29/2014 8:11:26 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: morphing libertarian

Nevada, California, Arizona, Colorado, and New Mexico were all formed out of land ceded by the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.


21 posted on 05/29/2014 8:16:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Stalinfornia. is Alameda County!

Plus Marin County.

22 posted on 05/29/2014 8:18:21 PM PDT by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: TChad

West Marin is quite loopy, but San Rafael and Corte Madera are not bad to do business in.


23 posted on 05/29/2014 8:21:51 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

yes, but not in question. The poster stated that Nevada was carved out of the STATE of Utah. It was not.


24 posted on 05/29/2014 8:22:41 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Nevada, California, Arizona, Colorado, and New Mexico were all formed out of land ceded by the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

Those were formed out of territories, not states...
25 posted on 05/29/2014 8:34:18 PM PDT by railroader
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To: morphing libertarian

There was a Utah Directorate that was not a State, that covered much of what became Nevada.


26 posted on 05/29/2014 8:38:29 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Mr. Wright

Funny you should mention 6 mores states to make Obama’s 57
BECAUSE currently a petition in Calif circulating right now is to divide the state into 6 states (not 2). The petitions need to be turned in by July 18 2014 to be on the Nov. ballot. Something like 850,000 signatures are needed.


27 posted on 05/29/2014 8:41:21 PM PDT by bunster
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To: railroader

They were the territory of Mexico.

The land was all Grants to military heroes, except for the steep terrain that nobody wanted.


28 posted on 05/29/2014 8:41:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Yes, Massachusetts used to be part of Maine, but it wasn’t working out.


29 posted on 05/29/2014 8:46:47 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I like “LAFS” better.

TV News Example: “ And now, to our reporter in LAFS. “


30 posted on 05/29/2014 8:50:42 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Utah became a territory which included Nevada. In 1861 Nevada became a separate Territory. Nevada became a state before Utah,.

Therefore Nevada was not made a state out of the state of Utah.

All I’m saying.

So far the example I have is WV.


31 posted on 05/29/2014 8:51:09 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
To do so is un-Constitutional. A new state cannot be formed within the borders of an existing state.

Fine. Kick CA out of the Union.

32 posted on 05/29/2014 10:30:23 PM PDT by EricT. (Everything not forbidden is compulsory.)
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To: ScottinVA

I would love to include Trinity County in that effort; but I don’t think the south will ever let us go, we have the water.


33 posted on 05/29/2014 11:26:30 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Pray for seismic activity!

Roger that. If we could just get SF and LA to drop into the ocean, we might have a pretty good state again.

34 posted on 05/30/2014 12:03:15 AM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: editor-surveyor
West Marin is quite loopy, but San Rafael and Corte Madera are not bad to do business in.

I used to work in San Rafael, or maybe it was Larkspur. I could never figure it our for sure (San Quentin)

35 posted on 05/30/2014 12:06:07 AM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: kingattax

California should be broken up into about 10 States.


36 posted on 05/30/2014 6:54:01 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: kingattax

Sorry Land of Fruit & Nuts residents...Texas is the only state that can legally secede ....and sometimes I wish we would.


37 posted on 05/30/2014 7:17:56 AM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type)
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To: patriot08

Hubris and I don’t see any reflection of your claim contained herein...

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/texan02.asp


38 posted on 05/30/2014 7:38:10 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian
Sorry, Sweetie, Texas IS the only state with a legal right to secede.

(Read your bio. I do appreciate your service to our country, though.)

Hubris? Moi?? Nah. See my bio. LOL

(Reference: the Texas-American Annexation Treaty of 1848)

The formal controversy about the legality of the annexation of Texas stems from the fact that Congress approved the annexation of Texas as a territory with a simple majority vote approval instead of annexing the land by Treaty, as was done with Native American lands

http://history.state.gov/milestones/1830-1860/texas-annexation

39 posted on 05/30/2014 8:25:27 AM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type)
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To: patriot08

If you seek respect, offer it first, something you didn’t do, thus the “hubris” by claiming to be “special” while at the same time mocking CA residents...whether by choice or not.

The issue of secession is one that is subject to great debate, however, the actual resolution, as granted by the Congress of Texas, stipulates about all I need to know...they don’t mention the right to secede when they decide they want to. They do mention division of Texas into separate states, but not secession...

A state history page notwithstanding...”sweetie”.


40 posted on 05/30/2014 8:32:51 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian

Oh, come on. Don’t be mad.
I didn’t mean to offend you. Nothing personal. :)


41 posted on 05/30/2014 9:25:26 AM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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