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California bill proposed 'gun violence restraining order'
Bakersfield Now ^ | 5-29-14 | unattributed

Posted on 05/29/2014 7:57:46 PM PDT by smokingfrog

In the wake of the killings in Santa Barbara, some state lawmakers want a way people can report someone who is a threat for violence, with a process then to temporarily remove guns from that person.

One of the authors of a bill says current mental health laws and gun control laws aren't working together.

"I think we should always take a prudent review of our laws at a time like this," interim Kern County Mental Health Director Bill Walker told Eyewitness News.

But, he said with this issue, laws have to address both public safety and individual rights.

State Assemblymembers Nancy Skinner, D-Berkeley, and Das Williams, D-Santa Barbara, announced the proposal Tuesday.

"The proposed legislation would create a gun violence restraining order, establishing a system where concerned family members, intimate partners or friends can notify law enforcement of someone who is demonstrating a propensity to commit violence toward themselves or others," reads a statement on the websites for both lawmakers.

The legislators say when family members would notify law enforcement, there would be a tool to "potentially prohibit the purchase of firearms and/or remove the firearms already in possession."

The statement says authorities could investigate the threats and ask a judge to grant an order banning gun purchase or possession.

Walker said the idea should be seriously considered and debated, but he has concerns.

Bakersfield attorney Loren Kleier also has doubts.

"It's unnecessary," Kleier said. "We have plenty of statues already on the books that are in place."

He points to the "51-50" hold that trained professionals can order for someone with mental issues, and he said that has a function to remove guns.

One of his client's guns were taken after the man's girlfriend called law enforcement about his irrational behavior.

(Excerpt) Read more at bakersfieldnow.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol

1 posted on 05/29/2014 7:57:46 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Will this keep cops from shooting dogs?


2 posted on 05/29/2014 7:59:23 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: smokingfrog

In other news, the legislature is also taking up a bill to declare “gun violence restraining orders” against all California residents who are white and own guns.


3 posted on 05/29/2014 8:01:21 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: smokingfrog
"I think we should always take a prudent review of our laws at a time like this," interim Kern County Mental Health Director Bill Walker told Eyewitness News. But, he said with this issue, laws have to address both public safety and individual rights.

Not constitutional rights.

Individual rights.

Oh yeah... there is INDEED a difference...

4 posted on 05/29/2014 8:04:41 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: smokingfrog

Truly insane...Every single person with an bone to pick, with revenge on their mind or pay back for past issues with someone is going to call the cops.

Those running the government in Sacramento are mentally ill if they can’t see what would happen here.

I cannot believe these people are paid by the tax payers to sit on their butts and concoct these stupid fruitcake ideas.


5 posted on 05/29/2014 8:19:17 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
"stupid fruitcake ideas.."

Better watch out.

I think that's a thought crime in CA.

6 posted on 05/29/2014 8:23:27 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

From what I’ve read, if one of the deputies had watched the video(s) that prompted the welfare check, the kid would have been taken to. A psych ward. No shooting.


7 posted on 05/29/2014 8:25:12 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: dragnet2
Those running the government in Sacramento are mentally ill if they can’t see what would happen here.

You think those pot smoking faggots care? They can see what would happen. That's what they want. Chaos, in the wake of which they get to pass more laws.

8 posted on 05/29/2014 8:32:01 PM PDT by LouAvul (In favor of reducing government to a more common sense entity.)
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To: LouAvul

Are you kidding?

They’d care when it 100% totally gridlocked law enforcement...

All cops would be doing all day is responding to angry x-wives telling tales of drunkenness and cruelty.

They wouldn’t even have time to write tickets or shake you down for cash and assets Lou.


9 posted on 05/29/2014 8:44:16 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: smokingfrog

This will be like the domestic violence laws or the restraining orders they so freely in act.


10 posted on 05/29/2014 8:44:59 PM PDT by rey
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To: dragnet2

“Truly insane...Every single person with an bone to pick, with revenge on their mind or pay back for past issues with someone is going to call the cops.”

Virtually anyone can take out an order of protection on you. They merely have to state they felt “threatened”. A pissed off neighbor or whatever. Cops come immediately and take all your guns. Guilty until proven innocent. This is the “Lautenberg Law”


11 posted on 05/29/2014 8:47:14 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: headstamp 2

What they’re proposing is not the same as your example.


12 posted on 05/29/2014 8:54:41 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: headstamp 2

That is if you’re referring to restraining orders.


13 posted on 05/29/2014 8:55:56 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: smokingfrog

Comrade, thought crime does not entail death. Thought crime IS death.


14 posted on 05/29/2014 9:02:32 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: dragnet2

We’re talking about two different groups of people. You referenced those who make the laws in Sacramento. I don’t think they care about what happens to police officers/police departments.


15 posted on 05/29/2014 9:53:50 PM PDT by LouAvul (In favor of reducing government to a more common sense entity.)
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To: LouAvul

Oh they care about them when it comes to their own personal protection and revenue collection.


16 posted on 05/29/2014 10:23:59 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Truly insane...Every single person with an bone to pick, with revenge on their mind or pay back for past issues with someone is going to call the cops.

Already had that happen.

@sshole neighbor that loved loud backyard parties with no regard to hour or that we had to sleep to work the next day. He and his redneck wife decided our attempts to get them to act like normal people was harassment and got a TRO to stop calling the HOA on them. He showed up with some little weasel party buddy who swore I was a psycho and the "sorta" judge believed them that I was out to get them.

If this had been a bit less civilized place, I would have asked the bastard to take a walk with me.

Left my guns with a buddy and moved out of the wretched state of California. This new law is just making it easier for @ssholes like the redneck party animals I used to live next to.

17 posted on 05/29/2014 10:39:53 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: smokingfrog

Restraining orders have worked so well with human beings, I am sure they would work so much better with inanimate objects.


18 posted on 05/29/2014 10:52:30 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: dragnet2

You’re the one who chooses to live in that wretched state.


19 posted on 05/29/2014 11:01:10 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: doorgunner69

Hey; I am a Redneck and I don’t appreciate being lumped in with people like your asshole neighbor.
Pretty much everybody who lives around here is a Redneck and they are all good people and shooters.
You must have lived in LA, Sacto, San Fran or another city where all the assholes are concentrated.
Out here when my neighbors start shooting (pretty much every weekend) I just make sure my dogs are in the house so there wont be any accidents.
Just bear in mind most real Rednecks are good people and don’t bother their neighbors.


20 posted on 05/29/2014 11:08:11 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: doorgunner69

So where is it where all the neighbors are good friends and get along?

lol...


21 posted on 05/29/2014 11:19:15 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: steve86

The state is fine. It’s the government steve. Like your own wretched federal government which you choose to live under.


22 posted on 05/29/2014 11:23:27 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 5th MEB
I lived in Ventura county, and these 'necks came out from San Fernando valley. SF valley was notorious for being populated by Dust Bowl refugees and became somewhat of a ghetto for them before Mexicans took over.

The husband was a LA county deputy sheriff on full-pay "disability" retirement with "bad back" that was so bad that he went water skiing every few months. Total fake scam and I let him know I knew it.

I know what your sensitivity might be, but it is misplaced. Having party animals living next door to you that do not give a damn that you have to get up and go to work in the morning, because it might interrupt their party and wife swapping?

That is not being a good old boy, that is being an inconsiderate piece of white trash.

The POS had the gall to come into the court and tell the "so-called" judge that because I was a Marine veteran, he was afraid of me going berserk and using that to cement his argument for the TRO.

Well, he was right about something.............

23 posted on 05/29/2014 11:24:06 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: dragnet2
So where is it where all the neighbors are good friends and get along?

My wife got scared about me and my temper and got me out of the state.

24 posted on 05/29/2014 11:25:38 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: smokingfrog

Oh, I like this! Let me be the first...
I would like to get a gun restraining order against the bodyguards of Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi. and Jerry Brown. (And all future bodyguards) Obviously all of those bodyguards have a few screws loose or they would be able to go out and find a way to earn an honest living.


25 posted on 05/30/2014 12:06:33 AM PDT by anonsquared
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To: doorgunner69

I feel your pain, but I’d leave the redneck part out, lots of rednecks here heh, conservative rednecks make the world go round.

You probably meant to say white trash or something.


26 posted on 05/30/2014 5:56:07 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: doorgunner69

I’m ex infantry, I had two airforce guys try that argument on the MPs. They basically provoked me into telling them if they didn’t cut out their juvenile behavior, we could take a walk into the low ground.

They said because I was ex-infantry they were afraid for their lives...lol. The MP rolled his eyes at them and told them if they spoke to him the way they spoke to me, he’d take them to the low ground too lol.


27 posted on 05/30/2014 5:58:29 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: BipolarBob
Will this keep cops from shooting dogs?

This is California, our police moved on to shooting kids carrying airsoft rifles, little Asian ladies delivering papers in pick up trucks, homeless vets, and drunks holding hose nozzles.

On the plus side, the California Supreme Court has verified that a police department can keep the names of these shooters secret, if they can come up with a good enough reason. Err, the plus side being that this changes it from 'because we don't want to tell you.'

28 posted on 05/30/2014 7:13:17 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Bulwyf
All right, all right, definitely white trash, especially the wife.

Apologies about the redneck slam, my tendencies would probably have most liberals put me in that category what with guns and social views.

29 posted on 05/30/2014 12:21:14 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: smokingfrog

Hmmm. How about a “fascism and collectivism restraining order”? Every time a politician proposes a law increasing goobermint power at the peoples’ expense or goes an entire year without proposing a bill repealing one of the old laws, he’s placed under house arrest and prohibited from voting in the legislature for 90 days?


30 posted on 05/30/2014 6:27:20 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: doorgunner69

Heh, we all knew that’s what you meant. It was just funny because after I said that I kept reading and saw other people saying that to you too. Never fear, we all know what you meant.

These anti gunners are never going to give up. We must always be vigilant.


31 posted on 05/31/2014 6:17:55 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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