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Salon: Santa Barbara Shooting Victim's Father 'Should Scare the S#*+ out of the NRA'
Breitbart's California ^ | May 29, 2014 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 05/29/2014 11:20:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

On May 29, Salon magazine published a profile piece on Richard Martinez, father of Christopher Michael-Martinez, asserting that the elder Martinez "should scare the s#*+ out of the NRA."

Martinez's son was among the three persons Elliot Rodger shot to death on May 23, after savagely stabbing three persons to death earlier in the evening.

On May 24, Martinez blamed his son's death on "craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA." And according to Salon, the NRA has "finally" met its match and "Martinez should have them shaking" because he offers "a direct rebuttal to the LaPierres and Palins in this country."

(Never mind that Salon offers a perfect example of everything that is wrong with politicizing tragedy, and even Mr. Martinez's agony.)

Salon says Mr. Martinez understands what is at stake, just like "Sybrina Fulton--the mother of Trayvon Martin." And they warn that the gun rights supporters will try to destroy Mr. Martinez before he can accomplish the mission he is on: "The pro-gun crowd is going to come out hard against him, just as they have turned on other parents and survivors."(continued)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; california; guncontrol; nra
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1 posted on 05/29/2014 11:20:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Riiight. Go after the NRA but leave the damaged-beyond-repair-by-liberals healthcare system alone. Brilliant tactic!


2 posted on 05/29/2014 11:21:51 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Someone ought to scare the **** out of the cutlery makers, as well! Who will do THAT? /sarcasm


3 posted on 05/29/2014 11:27:42 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The NRA should not be scared. Those who apologized for this mental-case should be.


4 posted on 05/29/2014 11:30:29 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Salon: Santa Barbara Shooting Victim's Father 'Should Scare the S#*+ out of the NRA'

ROTFLMAO! Bring it on! Biotch...

5 posted on 05/29/2014 11:30:38 PM PDT by sargon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hasn’t that family done enough damage?


6 posted on 05/29/2014 11:37:28 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My constitutional rights are not subject to a “rebuttal”, no matter how emotionally overheated it is.


7 posted on 05/29/2014 11:37:52 PM PDT by Argus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

California has passed some of the toughest gun laws in the country to keep their citizens safe.


8 posted on 05/29/2014 11:39:19 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: sargon
This dad isn't a problem for the NRA anymore than gun prohibition is a solution for what is a failure in this country to help the mentally ill.

The obvious thing that every portion of the political spectrum should agree upon is that people that kill lots of people are mentally ill. This incident gives gun rights proponents the proof that maniacs will kill with whatever means are available to them. Without a gun this guy would have killed the people in his apartment and then probably used his car to kill the rest. The Aurora theater shooter, without a gun, would have probably fashioned a bomb. He definitely had the background to make that happen.

9 posted on 05/29/2014 11:41:37 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Re: “Half of his six victims were stabbed to death, not shot.”

Don't forget he attempted to murder several people with his BMW.

As Ann Coulter pointed out, why is Mr. Martinez not enraged at the AAA, too?

10 posted on 05/29/2014 11:42:12 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: sargon

What about car owners and drivers? More cars are involved in the deaths of innocent persons every day, than are guns and gun users.

And car ownership and usage is NOT a right guaranteed by the Bill of Rights and the Constitution?

Why are you a citizen here if you do not want to abide by the rights given by those documents? Go away if you do not want to be a part of this country.


11 posted on 05/29/2014 11:44:59 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: nickcarraway

Victim’s father.

Not the murder’s father.


12 posted on 05/29/2014 11:44:59 PM PDT by DB
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Santa Barbara shooting ought to scare the hell out of the American Psychiatric Association because the killer had undergone several forms of mental health treatment since he was a child. All of the therapy and medications prescribed didn’t make Elliot Rodger calm or docile. He turned into a whackjob, killing machine.


13 posted on 05/29/2014 11:45:06 PM PDT by dowcaet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Richard Martinez, father of Christopher Michael-Martinez
Why the two names?
Something fishy right there.
15 posted on 05/29/2014 11:49:00 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Again, going after the NRA is the cowards way out, a senseless, meaningless criticism. It would be more beneficial and honest to question the problem with mental health in this country.
16 posted on 05/29/2014 11:54:28 PM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am the NRA, I am not scared.


17 posted on 05/29/2014 11:59:37 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Richard Martinez and his cohorts in the anti 2nd Amendment factions are exploiting this tragedy, just as they do after every mass shooting.

We as a nation, should not turn away from the 2nd Amendment after such tragedy but should promote our rights and responsibilities to protect ourselves and our families.


18 posted on 05/30/2014 12:01:55 AM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Argus

This.


19 posted on 05/30/2014 12:01:56 AM PDT by steel_resolve (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wow, they REALLY want a civil war, don’t they?


20 posted on 05/30/2014 12:09:29 AM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The undeniable reality with which the gun grabbers have not dealt except by dissembling is that, short of total confiscation of all guns such as we see in Europe, the more guns they grab the more they render the innocent defenseless even as they empower criminals.

They dissemble because they cannot go before the American public and reveal the truth that their goal is not to tinker around the margins of gun ownership rights but total confiscation because, (1) the United States Constitution gets in their way and, (2) the public will simply not stand for total confiscation. Because there is no political will for total confiscation the left seeks to do incrementally what it cannot do in a single stroke and cannot in any case do openly. Meanwhile, every duplicitous incremental step is resisted because it empowers criminals and renders the innocent defenseless. And because alert Americans understand that incremental steps are only stepping stones toward total confiscation.

Because the left's approach is essentially based on a lie, they cannot convincingly argue how each incremental step makes Americans safer when each step makes Americans more vulnerable. In fact, they do not attempt to make this argument, they do not attempt to relate specific regulations with specific crimes because the regulations invariably would simply not have prevented those massacres which give rise to the proposed regulations. Rather, they pander to emotions, to the human instinct to "do something" which is part of human nature but is seldom productive and often counterproductive.

The left also find itself inhibited by another underlying reality: a major part of the American public has lost confidence in the ability of the government to protect them. Americans have lost confidence in the essential fairness of our justice system and in its efficiency. They know that in an emergency situation a 911 call will not save them.

But more fundamentally, they know that the left since before The Warren Court has worked every angle and pushed every lever they could find to nurture a culture of criminality in America. For example, by definition every criminal who escapes conviction because his lawyer succeeds in throwing out evidence resulting from a search that has been declared unreasonable, puts a guilty criminal back on the street.

A second example, when the federal government releases illegal immigrants who are also violent felons into society because it is politically expedient to do so, rational citizens conclude that personal protection requires self help.

A third example and a personal bugaboo of mine, the drug culture which has now infected virtually every strata of our society not only breeds gun violence but finances it. Recently, a thread on FreeRepublic explored efforts in Chicago to prevent their gun violence which Chicago says could be prevented by prohibiting guns from being imported into the city from places where their purchase was legal. Not a word was spoken about how gun violence in Chicago relates to drug business in Chicago. A rational citizens looks at the situation and says, not only is the government failing to protect me but by its policies it is creating an environment that threatens me. I must arm myself.

So long as individualists (that means we conservatives) sense that collectivists are not only destroying our political system but also threatening us physically, we will seek individual solutions to problems generated by collectivists and, of course, we will resist collectivist solutions which fail and which rob us of our liberty.

Mr. Martinez, it is not the NRA that scares the shit of me, rather it is leftists who want "to do something" and can think only in collectivist terms, who in their grief would do more harm than good.


21 posted on 05/30/2014 12:18:52 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Oliviaforever

ummm as an NRA member just checked my shorts... No poop to be seen .


22 posted on 05/30/2014 12:19:11 AM PDT by slapshot
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To: dowcaet

But on the other hand psychotropic drugs can’t do their job if the
the person they are prescribed to refuses to take them. My
understanding is that was the case with this sick individual.
That said, sometimes the meds are just not effective or they might
be prescribed the wrong dosage. I have worked at a sub-acute
care facility for youth many years and have seen both successes
and failures with prescribed psychotropic meds.


23 posted on 05/30/2014 12:22:05 AM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: Olog-hai

Why isn’t he fuming at the Rodger family which was in such denial about the kookiness of their scion?


24 posted on 05/30/2014 12:26:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yesterday, I over heard two non-gun owners talking about how unreasonable it was to blame guns and lack of gun control on this and other shootings.
I was surprised to hear them express this as one of these individuals got in my face a few years ago about the NRA’s stance on the then defeated Federal gun restrictions.
25 posted on 05/30/2014 12:47:36 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: Falcon4.0

When we’re talking about pretty blatant madmen, there isn’t much of a reasonable question. We don’t hide the knives from everybody because a few kooks are obsessed with the idea of stabbing.


26 posted on 05/30/2014 12:54:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Did you know there is a group on FB called Democratic Armed Resistance (or something like that). IT’s ok for them to be armed and to promote being armed because as far as they are concerned they are the good guys. I tried to argue the point with other Democrats on another site that by their very existence they acknowledge the need for guns for protection against whatever others thought were evil - to them though the only evil was the GOP and Tea Party - deaf ears and stupid minds could not see the point!


27 posted on 05/30/2014 12:56:16 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: melsec

Well, if war breaks out, they’ll find out pretty soon how outnumbered they are, won’t they?


28 posted on 05/30/2014 12:59:08 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I read that this idiot is a criminal defense lawyer. If he helped put ONE killer back on the streets to kill again, he is nullified.


29 posted on 05/30/2014 2:16:53 AM PDT by Into the Vortex
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>> Martinez blamed his son’s death on “craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA.”

Hey, what about the Nation Knife Association?


30 posted on 05/30/2014 2:25:54 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Since when is “LEAVE MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ALONE!” considered “turning on” or “attacking” people?!?

These liberals are literally stupider than a box of DUMB rocks!


31 posted on 05/30/2014 2:28:57 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Scared me so much i researched all week, went to the range, talked with knowledgeable friend and relatives and will buy my CCW weapon today.
32 posted on 05/30/2014 2:56:10 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He's a terrible spokesman for gun control. While he's rightfully grief stricken over the loss of his son, the hysterics and histrionics in every interview I've seen make people tune out any message he try to convey. Sorry if it sounds coarse, but no one wants to listen to someone break down and blubber at every interview or conference.

What's lost in the noise here is the fact 3 people would still be dead even if we lived in a gun free world. Who knows how many more he would have stabbed if it was the only option.

The young man had a lengthy history of mental issues and was determined to harm people. No gun law could have stopped him.

33 posted on 05/30/2014 3:00:13 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is he going after the violent video game imdustry too?


34 posted on 05/30/2014 3:18:38 AM PDT by bergmeid
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To: Oliviaforever

Being used and also using another horrific incident to promote a political agenda.

Joe the Plumber is right.


35 posted on 05/30/2014 3:24:02 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: edpc

You got that right.


36 posted on 05/30/2014 3:24:53 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: edpc

Why was this mentally ill kid allowed a very expensive car, allowed to live on campus, allowed to buy and consume alcohol, and generally live the life of a independently wealthy man? He should have been kept at home attending a school close to home with a great deal of familial oversight. But he wasn’t and now it’s all the fault of the National Rifle Association. Nuts!


37 posted on 05/30/2014 3:47:30 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Olog-hai
I also understand that Richard Martinez earns a living as a criminal defense attorney.

The NRA (and anyone else who stands up for constitutional rights in this country) would do well to do a lot of research and see if any of his clients committed violent offenses AFTER he got them out of jail via plea bargain, etc. They may find that this guy's successful work may have effectively killed more people than that Rodgers mutant did.

38 posted on 05/30/2014 3:53:14 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: nathanbedford; All

Well said.

________________

In Wussified America, the emphasis is on regulation of behavior and removal of sharp and “dangerous” objects from the playpen of the PC Wusses that we feed the PC Pablum to.

In Wussified America, the PC Assumption is that “All yuh gotta do is “Fix” the problem by Regulation and Confiscation” and then, as if by Socialist Utopian Magic, “We will make sure that this never happens again.”

The glaring lack of examples of Historical Success of this Wussy Method, is used to prove that those in the past did not do it the right way, and/or did not do it long enough.


39 posted on 05/30/2014 4:01:56 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: melsec

When you visit that Dem Gun Owner site, you may want to protect your anonymity by turning any locating tools off. Most Dems cannot handle the truth and may try to punish you with an online virus.


40 posted on 05/30/2014 4:11:18 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Left wing Trial lawyer who holds non stop Press conferences about his anti gun politics before his son is even buried !

Hiw many crazies did the sicko lawyer put back on the streets . A trial lawyer who uses his son to promote his far left politics is a great OR !

Where are the knife bans!


41 posted on 05/30/2014 4:14:01 AM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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And they warn that the gun rights supporters will try to destroy Mr. Martinez...

The first thing the left thinks of; "Kill the messenger".

42 posted on 05/30/2014 4:25:11 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, he’s just soooo scary and macho. He can’t scare anybody. He just annoys people with nonsensical, politically charged accusations.


43 posted on 05/30/2014 4:34:46 AM PDT by Politicalkiddo (The more helpless the victim, the more hideous the assault.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“scary” liberal lawyer daddy can go “f” himself.


44 posted on 05/30/2014 4:48:10 AM PDT by Lockbar (What would Vlad The Impaler do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sad that he will politicize his son’s death due to political affiliations and misguided thoughts. He’s no saner than the perp who did the killing. I pray God touches him and gives him some comfort.


45 posted on 05/30/2014 5:01:11 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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Left wing Trial lawyer who holds non stop Press conferences about his anti gun politics before his son is even buried !

He sees this as a springboard to local or even national politics. Despicable, but it worked for Carolyn McCarthy.

46 posted on 05/30/2014 5:14:12 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The NRA will do just fine. It’s the Bill of Rights I’m worried about. This moron is out to destroy our freedom. But hey! He’ll probably get rich doing it! He’s already been moved up to celebrity status. His bank account will be the next thing on the move.


47 posted on 05/30/2014 5:17:02 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: Crazieman

They’re pushing for someone to “do something” about those damn people who keep resisting the benevolent left.

But, just like their delegation of their responsibility for charity to the government, they think that the State can do their dirty work for them, and that they can just “enjoy” the aftermath.

Ain’t gonna happen that way.


48 posted on 05/30/2014 5:20:55 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Salon: Are you going after BMW because he killed with his car, too? Going after cutlery makers, too?


49 posted on 05/30/2014 5:31:05 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: lee martell

“...you may want to protect your anonymity by turning any locating tools off.”

Real question: How do I do that? I would like to visit lefty sites to find out what the enemy is being taught to think, but I fear getting a hostile virus in my PC. I hear that Muzzie websites are notorious for that.

This Martinez was antigun long before what happened to his son. His public histrionics came much too soon.


50 posted on 05/30/2014 5:42:54 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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