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The IRS can do this to you.
self | 5/30/14 | self

Posted on 05/30/2014 4:37:35 AM PDT by Luke21

My wife and I are in our mid fifties. We are grandparents. We have tried to play by the rules. Yesterday, I came home from lunch to find his and her notices in our mailbox from the IRS. The fiends have recalculated our income from a few years back and now suddenly want over 21,000 dollars in fees and penalties. They don't even audit you anymore. They just recalculate and demand payment. This is how they operate.

So if this thing is worked out, we will pay five hundred bucks a month to the IRS for most of our remaining working years, all the while being told we are white privileged to work and be slaves. And there is nothing to stop them from doing it again and again to me or to you. This government is truly monstrous.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: abuseofpower; confiscatory; government; intimidation; irs; racketeers; redistribution; shakedown; thuggery; tyranny; wageslaves
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1 posted on 05/30/2014 4:37:35 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Luke21

I am sorry. Do you have a tax preparer or accountant who can help you?


2 posted on 05/30/2014 4:39:01 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Luke21

Have you talked to a tax attorney? I think they make it a point to target conservatives.


3 posted on 05/30/2014 4:39:34 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Luke21

All the people who were so thrilled with Ubamacare will get what’s coming to them... straight from Uncle Sam.


4 posted on 05/30/2014 4:41:42 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Luke21

They still have to audit you unless you just made a math mistake.


5 posted on 05/30/2014 4:41:45 AM PDT by anton
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To: Luke21

“Recalculate our income”

Income isn’t a calculation. It is what it is. Did you under report income or not? Did you take deductions you weren’t eligible for? If you did not, get a tax lawyer and prove it.

If you did under report, you got caught and need to pay. Pretty simple.


6 posted on 05/30/2014 4:45:33 AM PDT by IamConservative (If fighting fire with fire is a good idea, why do the pros use water?)
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To: Luke21
recalculated our income from a few years back

On what basis did they do that ?

7 posted on 05/30/2014 4:50:52 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: Luke21
I got a similar notice last year. Don't panic, and don't just assume they're right. Go through the letter and the accompanying tax return with a professional tax preparer to see what the story was. What the IRS has done in your case is a simple "review" rather than a full-blown audit. There is probably something in your tax return that has triggered a flag, and I'll use my case as an example of how this happens.

In my situation, I had rolled over about $30,000 from an IRA into a company-sponsored retirement account. When this happens, the firm that administers the IRA is required by law to file a form with the IRS telling them that they paid out a distribution to one of their customers. This form includes all relevant information related to the taxpayer (me, in this case), including SS#, etc.

Because my $30,000 was being rolled over into a qualified retirement account there shouldn't have been any tax consequences, but it wasn't documented correctly on my tax return so my file got flagged in a routine check (probably done by computer) -- showing a $30,000 distribution to me and no rollover. So the IRS thought I was on the hook for income taxes on the $30,000 plus a 10% early withdrawal penalty (due to my age), plus penalties and interest.

In response to the initial letter from the IRS demanding payment or setting up a payment plan, I sent a letter back to the IRS explaining this, along with records showing the withdrawal from the IRA on one day and the exact same amount deposited in my company 401(k) account two days later. Within a couple of weeks the IRS sent a letter back to me telling me not to do anything or send any payments.

About a month after that, the IRS sent a final letter telling me that they had corrected my tax return and that I did not owe them a penny.

8 posted on 05/30/2014 4:51:39 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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Get a tax attorney.

I’ve been through this and the attorney was able to get a $35k bill down to $5k - including fee’s, penalties, interest, and his fee.


9 posted on 05/30/2014 4:51:52 AM PDT by tje
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To: Taxman

Ping.


10 posted on 05/30/2014 4:54:49 AM PDT by foxfield (Support the Tea Party. The Tea Party supports you.)
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To: Luke21

You need a tax attorney, preferably a conservative one.

Do not wait.


11 posted on 05/30/2014 4:55:19 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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yup- I fly a gadsen flag from a flag pole in my yard, constantly confront my demokrat congresswoman (nita lowey) and received a letter from NY State they were auditing me...

are you from California? my buddy from there received the same exact letter stating he owed $24K- he found the small print stating you could fight the amount owed if you had proper documentation...look hard at the letter as he said its in tiny print...


12 posted on 05/30/2014 4:55:30 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: IamConservative
No, it isn't all that simple. Many IRS rules are arbitrary, changeable and inconsistent. My father always held back just a few deductions which he could pull just in case he ever got audited.

They did and he did. They ended up owing him about $50. I asked him "Didn't you lose more than $50 over the years by foregoing deductions to which you were entitled?"

He told me he probably did, but that wasn't the point. The point was to make one of their greedy agents go home owing him money at the end of the day. He did and they never bothered him with an audit again.

Now, they avoid such face to face contact just by arbitrary recalculations. In my case, every refund except one over the last 10 years has been whittled away by about $200 even though I've used a highly acclaimed tax software program to prepare everything.

It is bullsh*t and I, and the IRS, knows it. But they also know few people will fight them over $200.

This man has a sum well worth fighting them for; it would be worth his while to at least call one of those tax services which advertise on Hannity and other shows.

13 posted on 05/30/2014 4:56:10 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Luke21

There are companies that can help you. I hear some advertise on the radio locally. They will negotiate a settlement which will usually be a fraction of the cost and well worth their fees.

The harsh penalties and fees are to get your attention. If they get many of these waived, you can simply pay off the balance owed. Secondly, find out exactly what was recalculated since they might be in error about this and you could have the entire judgement dropped.

If you really owe the money, pay it. But if this is truly fees and penalties, they can be reduced.


14 posted on 05/30/2014 4:59:44 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Every time you say no to a liberal, you make the Baby Barack cry.)
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To: Luke21

There is a “One Time Forgiveness” that the IRS offers. One reason you see TV ads saying if you owe the IRS they will slash what you owe.


15 posted on 05/30/2014 5:01:36 AM PDT by IC Ken
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To: Vigilanteman

I have gotten dunned for 1099s that were actually in my business Schedule C but IRS was looking for them in my individual income. Wrote a letter, they went away.

Demand reasoning, support for their claim....and move all your money out of your bank accounts as the IRS will seize it without warning. If they continue, engage a registered agent to contest their claim.


16 posted on 05/30/2014 5:01:59 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: IamConservative
Income isn’t a calculation. It is what it is. Did you under report income or not? Did you take deductions you weren’t eligible for? If you did not, get a tax lawyer and prove it.

If you did under report, you got caught and need to pay. Pretty simple.

Not only are you wrong, you MUST CHANGE YOUR SCREEN NAME because no one who understands what it means to be conservative would rattle off such nonsense. Income is not a calculation? Eligible deductions? Prove your innocence? You're insane.

17 posted on 05/30/2014 5:02:48 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly┬ůand message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: Luke21

If the givernment can tax something you own then...
YOU DON’T OWN IT.. they do..

Amazing how many cannot figure this out by themselves..
Quite literally do not care -OR- likes being a Judas Goat..


18 posted on 05/30/2014 5:05:09 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Vigilanteman
See my post #8. I'd be willing to bet that some kind of triggering event has precipitated the letter from the IRS.

It's helpful for taxpayers to know what kind of formal documentation is sent to the IRS from third parties like vendors, clients, etc. that needs to cross-check correctly with your own tax return. If you earn $1,000 in interest in a bank account, for example, and forget to report it IRS, the income is reported to the IRS through a 1099-INT form that's been filed by the bank. The IRS will cross-check these different forms against each other and flag any discrepancies. There are probably hundreds of thousands of cases like this every year.

19 posted on 05/30/2014 5:06:17 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child; Luke21

Please follow Alberta’s advice.

Many at IRS are incompetent.

They just put lien on my brother’s house because they couldn’t be bothered to turn the page showing where he’d already paid taxes on stock options that he’d exercised.


20 posted on 05/30/2014 5:07:35 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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