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Valeria Plame: CIA Outing ‘Stupid,’ but False Equivalence to Compare to Mine
Mediaite ^ | 05/30/2014 | by Josh Feldman

Posted on 05/30/2014 7:13:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Valerie Plame, the former CIA officer who was infamously outed during the Bush administration, was on CNN yesterday to react to the accidental outing of another CIA official this week. Plame called it “colossally stupid,” but made it clear this is in no way equivalent to what happened to her. Plame’s outing over ten years ago turned into a full-fledged scandal that implicated a number of Bush administration officials, which she doesn’t believe is in par with one person’s “colossally stupid” accident.

Plame told Wolf Blitzer this week’s embarrassment was “an error of huge proportions with tremendous consequences,” but the difference here is, she said, “my name was intended to be leaked in retaliation against my husband, who was a fierce critic of the Bush administration and the Iraq War.”

On this particular case, Plame did say it raises a serious issue of security clearances and how many people should get them. And furthermore, there are plenty of disastrous implications of a CIA station chief’s name being out there when that information may end up in the hands of people who might want to inflict serious harm upon them.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cia; outing; valerieplame
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1 posted on 05/30/2014 7:13:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s a reminder of the Valerie Plame case:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2817999/posts


2 posted on 05/30/2014 7:14:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

ok, so then, it sounds as if the liberal view is that, the outing of Valerie Plame was a treasonous scandal, because it happened during a Republican presidency.

But, this event happening during a Democrat administration is simply a mistake, which has no major consequences, and which will not be a treasonous scandal.


3 posted on 05/30/2014 7:15:25 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et)
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To: SeekAndFind

Kinda like comparing a DC desk jockey to someone who actually works on the ground in a foreign nation?


4 posted on 05/30/2014 7:16:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: SeekAndFind
It didn't ruin her life. She loved the publicity and benefited. Frankly, always thought Plame was overrated.

This Obama outing has totally ruined this family.

5 posted on 05/30/2014 7:17:27 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind

Ah, the swinger couple of DC— when it was she who recommended her leftist husband Wilson be sent to Niger about yellow cake. She couldn’t think of ANYONE else to send..... riiiight. Plame and Wilson have made a career of their corruption.

And folks, she was never undercover except as it applies to all CIA personnel in certain sections. Chief of Station? This was deliberate, and only remains to be seen, by whom? Assuredly we will never know.

The gelded military may have outed a warrior who doesn’t play ball with the one and the islamos who run our intel operations. Or the islamos who run our intel set the military up to out him. It is how one blows a cover. Chop Chop, the King!


6 posted on 05/30/2014 7:18:31 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: SeekAndFind
Plame called it “colossally stupid,” but made it clear this is in no way equivalent to what happened to her.

She's right. The station chief was on the ground in a war zone. She and her husband were politicizing her position, and almost everything he ever said was false.

7 posted on 05/30/2014 7:19:04 AM PDT by marron
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To: Sacajaweau

The fame/attention issue is spot on. It’s clear that both her and her husband enjoyed the attention and were more than happy to be the face and tip of the spear for the political attack. They saw an opportunity to raise their public and political profile by exploiting the issue and acted appropriately.


8 posted on 05/30/2014 7:20:28 AM PDT by AMitchum
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To: Sacajaweau

Didn’t ruin her life, but it ruined the life of Scooter Libby, a decent and honorable man.


9 posted on 05/30/2014 7:21:06 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: SeekAndFind

Someone needs to tell this ditz that her 15 minutes are up. The REAL “biggest difference” is that she was behind a desk in the US and the agent whose name was “leaked” by the Obama regime is a station chief in the field in a foreign country.


10 posted on 05/30/2014 7:22:05 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: SeekAndFind

She is a politically biased narcissist.


11 posted on 05/30/2014 7:23:56 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And how does she know this was not a retaliatory leak? This is a very vindictive administration.


12 posted on 05/30/2014 7:24:05 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I see Miss Plame has a rather high opinion of herself if she thinks her situation was more severe than the outing of the CIA section chief in Afghanistan. You’ve had your fifteen minutes of fame. You were a nobody then and you’re still a nobody now. Go away Miss Plame!


13 posted on 05/30/2014 7:24:25 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Sloppy has returned.


14 posted on 05/30/2014 7:25:17 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Valerie Plame was burned by Aldridge Ames in 1994. She never worked undercover overseas ever again.


15 posted on 05/30/2014 7:25:44 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SeekAndFind

Plame was not a covert or field agent. She was a desk jockey. No comparison whatsoever, which is why she immediately sought the spotlight and cameras and ropelines. The Afghanistan CIA station chief is currently in hiding and terrified, as he has any number of people who want him killed.


16 posted on 05/30/2014 7:30:03 AM PDT by montag813
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To: dowcaet

That and she is given a microphone by a leftist rag. CNN, you will never be relevant again.


17 posted on 05/30/2014 7:31:57 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

She’s right—there is a difference: she was a mere spoke, a low-level office drudge/political hack, while the man the White House recently `pants-ed’ in front of the world was a wheel, a real CIA deal.

But not to fear, this shocking negligence will fade away, like all the other WH omissions, thanks to the Democrats’ MSM.
A Republican doing things like this would have been forced to resign by the McCains, McConnells, Cantors and Boehners years ago, meekly tugging their forelocks, to the drumbeat of the alphabit news, weekly mags and TeeVee heads.


18 posted on 05/30/2014 7:32:15 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: SeekAndFind
Plame’s outing over ten years ago turned into a full-fledged scandal that implicated a number of Bush administration officials

Falsely, erroneously, maliciously "implicated a number of Bush administration officials".

When it came out that Richard Armitage of the State Department had leaked it, leaving Scooter Libby and a number of others to twist in the wind for months, the media didn't even bother to play their equivalent of the "wah wah wahhhhh" trumpet before walking away from the matter.

19 posted on 05/30/2014 7:38:56 AM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: montag813

RE: Plame was not a covert or field agent. She was a desk jockey.

Technically, she was “covert”.

Plame was undercover when she was outed. The fact that she had moved back to CIA headquarters did not merit her identification, in part because she occasionally left Langley, Va., to conduct covert operations overseas.

The injustice really is the indictment of Scooter Libby.

The fact that former deputy secretary of state Richard Armitage was Robert Novak’s source for Plame’s identity — rather than Libby, former chief of staff to then–vice president Dick Cheney — and the Proescutor KNEW this already early on SHOULD HAVE STOPPED THE INVESTIGATION.

Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald already knew this and took Libby to trial anyway.

Armitage stayed mum as Libby was dragged through court. Secretary of State Colin Powell was equally quiet, though he seemingly was aware of this injustice.

The whole thing STUNK and still STINKS.


20 posted on 05/30/2014 7:40:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
She's right.

Plame was a non-covert "covert" agent living in DC whose husband Joe Wilson outed her long before Richard Armitage. Scooter Libby had nothing to do with any of it, other than being stupid enough to cooperate with Patrick Sleaze Fitzgerald.

The guy Ubama outed was an actual covert agent stationed on foreign soil.

21 posted on 05/30/2014 7:46:50 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Such a great explanation.

The odds of seeing that in the MSM media are equal to the odds of Salma Hayek dumping her billionaire husband and calling me for a date.


22 posted on 05/30/2014 7:48:50 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s not forget that Novak let Libby (and Rove) twist as well. He could simply have said, “Libby was not the source.” It would have stopped the nonsense. So I suspect that Rove and or Libby also talked to Novak about Plame, but that the true source was Armitage and one of the other two or both confirmed it for Novak, so as a result he couldn’t openly state that Libby wasn’t the source. None of that ever happened however and the rest is history


23 posted on 05/30/2014 7:50:18 AM PDT by irish guard
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To: John S Mosby

You’re right, this wasn’t an accident.

IMO he was outed to blind our intel community in this area.

IMO they don’t want there to be any record of a warning of an attack.


24 posted on 05/30/2014 7:56:17 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: SeekAndFind
From the article:

Plame told Wolf Blitzer this week’s embarrassment was “an error of huge proportions with tremendous consequences,” but the difference here is, she said, “my name was intended to be leaked in retaliation against my husband, who was a fierce critic of the Bush administration and the Iraq War.”

No, it wasn't. I can't believe she is still repeating that meme, even after it was proved this is incorrect.

Plame was inadvertantly "out'ed" by Richard Armitrage, in the State Department. He told Robert Novak that she worked for the CIA, because he had seen her name on some material from the agency. However, Armitrage did not know she was a "covert" agent (and had no reason to know). So, he didn't knowingly disclose her covert status, and was not prosecuted.

The Attorney General and the special prosecutor knew this at the outset of the investigation, because Armitrage told them. And they told him to keep quiet, while they continued the "investigation" anyway, and managed to maneuver Scooter Libby into an error that they could portray as intentional.

(For anyone that doesn't know the error: Libby claimed in an FBI interview, and subsequent grand jury testimony, that he first learned about Plame's covert assignment from Dick Cheney, and then subsequently from Tim Russert. Russert countered he didn't tell Libby. This difference in recollection turned into an indictment and conviction for Libby -- not for "outing" Plame, but for "obstructing justice" and perjury).

25 posted on 05/30/2014 7:59:27 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: John S Mosby

Here’s my question to all of you.

We know that Armitage was the one who revealed Plame’s identity.

We know this whole drama was bullcrap, bullcrap, bullcrap.

So how come Bush allowed Scooter Libby to go to prison?

I will never ever forgive Dubya for this and don’t try to tell me it was all right.

Sending innocent men to prison is not okay.


26 posted on 05/30/2014 7:59:28 AM PDT by Fishtalk (Join me on Facebook- https://www.facebook.com/patricia.fish.5)
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To: SeekAndFind
Speaking of "colossally stupid" Val, how about a "covert" agent appearing on a fashion magazine cover with her equally ridiculous husband ...

And speaking of "false equivalence", that would be you comparing yourself to a truly "covert" agent ...

[W]hat occurred this past week was far worse than anything that happened to Plame. Plame was, after all, serving in an office in Virginia and, while classified, was no secret. By contrast, the CIA station chief whose name was released is in peril every day in Kabul. He is serving on the front lines of a shooting war and the release of his name in this indiscriminate manner may well have compromised his effectiveness if not his safety.

27 posted on 05/30/2014 8:01:43 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Fishtalk
So how come Bush allowed Scooter Libby to go to prison?

See my previous post (just before yours), which went up about 1 second before you. :-)

Libby was convicted for intentionally lying to investigators and a grand jury. Of course, I haven't seen all the evidence, but what I've read indicates that it was nothing but an error in recollection -- where Libby first heard about Plame.

But, there was never any evidence that Libby actually repeated it: only that he somehow knew about it before he claimed.

28 posted on 05/30/2014 8:06:08 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Fishtalk
-- So how come Bush allowed Scooter Libby to go to prison? --

Bush commutes Libby's prison sentence - Jul 2, 2007

29 posted on 05/30/2014 8:07:58 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: irish guard

RE: the true source was Armitage

So, why was he not jailed?


30 posted on 05/30/2014 8:11:43 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

She’s such a liar. Her “outing” was a slip by Armitage, and the ensuing witch hunt proved there was no intent or coordination. Poor Scooter Libby was caught by a perjury trap thrown out there by a special prosector desperate to get ANYTHING, despite knowing all about Armitage in the first week.

And there was nothing to “out” anyway. She openly commuted to her desk job at Langley - kind of hard to be a super-secret spy when anyone who cared to check would clearly see she was with the CIA.


31 posted on 05/30/2014 8:11:49 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: John S Mosby
The gelded military may have outed a warrior who doesn’t play ball with the one and the islamos who run our intel operations. Or the islamos who run our intel set the military up to out him. It is how one blows a cover. Chop Chop, the King!

I can't help but wonder if this "outing" was the whole purpose of this trip.

32 posted on 05/30/2014 8:14:24 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind

Novak got Valerie’s last name from Wilson’s bio in Who’s Who. But after he used it in his column, the name Valerie Plame became big news in the media and caused quite a storm. On October 1, 2003, after reading a second column by Novak on the case, Armitage, alarmed by the clamor in the press for the name of the leaker who had outed a covert CIA agent, revealed his role to his boss Secretary of State Colin Powell. They took up the matter with State Department lawyer William H. Taft IV, who then spoke with White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, who allegedly told Taft that he did not want to know. But why didn’t Taft or Powell go directly to the President with this important information?

Among the many things that should give a thinking person pause about this whole sad story is that Patrick Fitzgerald knew from the outset who had leaked the information about Wilson’s wife to Bob Novak. It had been Deputy Secretary of State Rich Armitage, who told the Justice Department that he had leaked the information to Novak, but kept what he had done from the White House. Armitage would later admit that he had even earlier told journalist Bob Woodward about Wilson’s wife’s employment. Indeed, on Bob Woodward’s tape of the June 13, 2003, conversation, Armitage can be heard leaking the fact that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA four separate times.

The Vice President knew that all of this could have been avoided had Secretary Colin Powell done his duty and told the President that he knew who had leaked Plame’s identity to Novak. But he preferred to remain silent, and thus opened the door to two years of a needless and wasteful investigation which distracted the administration, forced innocent staff members to undergo a costly inquisition, and led to the conviction of a loyal and highly competent public servant. Cheney made sure that the public would know the truth and took a parting shot at Colin Powell.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/10903-the-truth-about-the-valerie-plame-case-finally-emerges


33 posted on 05/30/2014 8:16:31 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: justlurking

I was familiar with the evidence, having read all the pleadings and followed the case closely. The jury got it right. Libby was misleading the investigators, which is a no-no. What he claimed was that he was not aware that Plame worked at the CIA (nothing about “covert,” flat out he said he didn’t know she worked there until he read it in the paper saw it on teevee). But he had specifically requested and received information about her, and “shopped” that information around to reporters.


34 posted on 05/30/2014 8:17:39 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: SeekAndFind

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/when-and-why-joseph-c-wilson-iv-outed-valerie-plame#.U4id6x_D8iE

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/007460.php


35 posted on 05/30/2014 8:19:48 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: SeekAndFind

Colin Powell: Racist Liberal Opportunist

Written on Saturday, January 26, 2013 by Nathaniel Davidson

One of the most disgraceful acts of treachery by professing Republicans was General Colin Powell’s endorsement of Barack Hussein Obama for President—not once but twice. It’s so obvious that he followed a number of other African-Americans in voting on skin color. Of course, he wasn’t as candid as Samuel L. Jackson: “I voted for Barack because he was black. … [Obama’s] message didn’t mean **** to me.”

So Powell has ever since rationalized to the public why he did so. This has degenerated into increasingly shrill and irrational attacks on the Republican Party to which he still claims allegiance. Recently, this has included a bitter tirade to the liberal David Gregory of MSNBC (which Mark Levin calls “MSLSD”). Remember Gregory—the anti-gun zealot who mocked the NRA leader for proposing armed guards in schools, but sends his kids to a school with 11 armed guards?

However, although Powell was once much admired as a Republican military man, his outburst should not have surprised people.

But even worse was the Valerie Plame affair. Plame is the wife of Joe Wilson, a noisy opponent of the war to remove mass-murderer Saddam Hussein, and it was “leaked” to the late columnist Robert Novak that she worked for the CIA. The Demagogue party and the Leftmedia wanted to catch some top Republicans in this “crime”, such as VP Dick Cheney and his assistant Lewis (Scooter) Libby. And the appeasing Republicans appointed a special prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, who went Inspector Javert on Libby.

However, the real “leaker” was Powell’s assistant, Richard Armitage. But “special prosecutions” take on a life of their own, far from the original “crime”, simply so the funding can continue—much like government programs in general. Javert/Fitzgerald, even after belatedly knowing that Armitage was the leaker, was determined to nail Libby for something. This was “perjury”—which in this case meant that Libby didn’t remember what he told a reporter about a crime he didn’t even commit. A blot on President Bush Jr.’s legacy was refusing to pardon Libby—not the first time he was disloyal to his own people.

But the real lack of integrity was Powell’s, because he stayed silent as Fitzgerald made Libby’s life hell for the non-crime that he didn’t even commit. Sam Blumenfeld writes:

“The Vice President knew that all of this could have been avoided had Secretary Colin Powell done his duty and told the President that he knew who had leaked Plame’s identity to Novak. But he preferred to remain silent, and thus opened the door to two years of a needless and wasteful investigation which distracted the administration, forced innocent staff members to undergo a costly inquisition, and led to the conviction of a loyal and highly competent public servant. … Had Powell told the President the truth, there would have been no need for a special prosecutor or grand inquisition.”

http://patriotupdate.com/articles/colin-powell-racist-liberal-opportunist/#yDd4Cx3L62oxGd4p.99

Powell turns on the party that nurtured him

In his tirade to Gregory, Powell claimed:

“There’s also a dark vein of intolerance in some parts of the party. What do I mean by that? What I mean by that is they still sort of look down on minorities.”

Powell also claimed:

“When I see a former governor say that the president is ‘shuckin’ and jivin’That’s a racial-era slave term.”

Powell is stooping low to attack Governor Sarah Palin this way when she hasn’t a racist bone in her body. But it’s typical of leftist demagoguery to call any criticism of Obama “racist”—even when the issue is big spending, class warfare, hatred of Israel, or anti-business rhetoric. Apparently leftists have a magic decoder ring, whereby all these issues are code words for “Obama is black.” I also didn’t notice Powell criticize Democrat Andrew Cuomo, then Attorney General of NY (and now Governor), for saying “You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference” during Obama’s war with Hillary Clinton in the Dem primaries.


36 posted on 05/30/2014 8:19:59 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Barry made a boo-boo. Let’s learn from it, and move on.


37 posted on 05/30/2014 8:29:08 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Plame:

“My scandal was much better than this one because I’m Valerie Plame. Please don’t take my scandal away”


38 posted on 05/30/2014 8:29:36 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nobody set a perjury trap for him.


39 posted on 05/30/2014 8:30:40 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Her 15 mins are long gone. What difference does it make? A LOSER.


40 posted on 05/30/2014 8:31:20 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Cboldt
But he had specifically requested and received information about her, and “shopped” that information around to reporters.

Requested information from who, and what reporters?

41 posted on 05/30/2014 8:35:37 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: John S Mosby
"And folks, she was never undercover except as it applies to all CIA personnel in certain sections."

She gave a $1,000 political donation to Al Gore, giving the so-called CIA undercover company Jennings-Brewster as her then employer. How legal is that?

42 posted on 05/30/2014 8:40:32 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: SeekAndFind
So, why was he not jailed?

Armitrage didn't know Plame was a covert CIA agent. He thought she just worked for the CIA, and that's what he told Novak.

Armitrage apparently learned about Plame from a State Department memo, which made no mention of her covert status. Technically, the author of that memo is the one that made the unauthorized disclosure, but he/she has never been identified.

43 posted on 05/30/2014 8:40:40 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
ok, so then, it sounds as if the liberal view is that, the outing of Valerie Plame was a treasonous scandal, because it happened during a Republican presidency.

But, this event happening during a Democrat administration is simply a mistake, which has no major consequences, and which will not be a treasonous scandal.

Ding, ding, ding - we have a thread winnah!

44 posted on 05/30/2014 8:43:19 AM PDT by GOPJ (>The Mainstream Ministry of Information does not stand for liberty. Freeper Gene Eric)
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To: justlurking
Working from memory ... Libby, through official channels, requested and obtained information from CIA about "Wilson's wife." It was some official "inside the government" request, at any rate.

He either shopped it or hinted at confirmation to Tim Russert, Matt Cooper, and Judy Miller.

Whether he "shopped" it or not has no affect on his conviction. The misleading part of his cooperation with the investigation was his claim that he didn't know, except from reporters, that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA.

45 posted on 05/30/2014 8:48:43 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Sacajaweau
It didn't ruin her life. She loved the publicity and benefited.

She and Joe Wilson were lovin' it. Here's their double-page spread in Vanity Fair magazine:


46 posted on 05/30/2014 8:50:38 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Albion Wilde

There are many, many people in WDC who should be in prison or exiled. Unfortunately...


47 posted on 05/30/2014 9:00:44 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: All

Yeah...Much, much more danger working at a desk pushing papers at Langley than being the Head of Section in Afghanistan....Just don’t see how she stayed safe after that...


48 posted on 05/30/2014 9:01:37 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: Boonie

section=station.....


49 posted on 05/30/2014 9:03:09 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: Albion Wilde

Check out the photo is she try be 1950 film star here HELLO


50 posted on 05/30/2014 9:03:40 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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