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Snowden Strikes Back at NSA, Emails NBC News
NBC News ^ | May 30th 2014, 4:26 pm | Mike Brunker and Matthew Cole

Posted on 05/30/2014 7:48:21 PM PDT by Dave346

Fugitive Edward Snowden on Friday challenged the NSA’s insistence that it has no evidence he tried to raise concerns about the agency’s surveillance activity before he began leaking government documents to reporters, calling the response a “clearly tailored and incomplete leak ... for a political advantage.”

“The NSA's new discovery of written contact between me and its lawyers -- after more than a year of denying any such contact existed - raises serious concerns,” Snowden said in an email Friday to NBC News. “It reveals as false the NSA's claim to Barton Gellman of the Washington Post in December of last year, that ‘after extensive investigation, including interviews with his former NSA supervisors and co-workers, we have not found any evidence to support Mr. Snowden’s contention that he brought these matters to anyone’s attention.’”

Snowden’s email followed Thursday’s release by the U.S. Office of the Director of Intelligence of an email exchange between Snowden and the NSA’s Office of the General Counsel. The Washington Post received and published a similar response from Snowden on Thursday.

That email, dated April 5 , 2013, and bearing the subject line “Question for OGC re. OVSC1800 Course Content,” was a request for clarification about a legal point in training materials for a mandatory course regarding policies and procedures restricting domestic surveillance by the NSA. Its primary focus was on the question of whether an executive order issued by the president could trump a federal statute.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: computer; data; spying; theft
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1 posted on 05/30/2014 7:48:21 PM PDT by Dave346
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To: Dave346

What can that weasel do to “strike back” at anything?


2 posted on 05/30/2014 7:53:08 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Dave346
Its primary focus was on the question of whether an executive order issued by the president could trump a federal statute.

Illiterates! How about Art. VI, Cl. 2?

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

3 posted on 05/30/2014 7:53:13 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Dave346

Other than his word, what evidence has Snowden offered?


4 posted on 05/30/2014 8:01:24 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: Williams

Betcha it just grinds the NSA’s grits to not be able to get their hands on him...


5 posted on 05/30/2014 8:04:15 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: depressed in 06
Other than his word, what evidence has Snowden offered?

Who are you going to believe - the government, or your lying eyes?

6 posted on 05/30/2014 8:05:22 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Dave346

Has Snowden yet figured out that Brian Williams is not someone to trust?


7 posted on 05/30/2014 8:14:31 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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8 posted on 05/30/2014 8:15:16 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Dave346

The US feral government cancer has metastasized.


9 posted on 05/30/2014 8:17:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Williams

Snowden became a traitor when the 0bama regime made him one.


10 posted on 05/30/2014 8:24:40 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Dave346

I hope that should this traitor ever return to US soil he be meet by a firing squad...both unlikely but a person can hope...


11 posted on 05/30/2014 8:25:12 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Dave346

I watched what they “aired” of the interview. The high school drop out was relaxed and answered every question thoroughly. Ed isn’t a dummy, and seems to have calculated what information he has released. I have the sense to walk away from a game when one of the players is a shark. I think Ed has a hammer, and will swing it!


12 posted on 05/30/2014 8:27:03 PM PDT by goodtomato (I'm really, really blessed!)
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To: montanajoe

So,If I understand you he is a traitor for disclosing the traitoris/treasonis acts of the Obama administration?Doesnt that make him a patriot?


13 posted on 05/30/2014 8:35:16 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: Craftmore

A patriot..surely you jest


14 posted on 05/30/2014 8:36:56 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: aposiopetic

Maybe, maybe not — the Executive Order or the federal statute or both could be unconstitutional.


15 posted on 05/30/2014 8:40:27 PM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: montanajoe

Sohhhhh, violating your 4th amendment and several other rights makes the US government the good guy in this story?


16 posted on 05/30/2014 8:40:27 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: montanajoe

No,Im deadly serious.A man shows us everything the Obama administration is doing to destroy our privacy rights and you call that man the traitor?


17 posted on 05/30/2014 8:44:48 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: Vendome
Snowden is a TRAITOR. If you libertarian idiots cant grasp that simple fact I have nothing to say..other than stop calling yourselves Conservatives..
18 posted on 05/30/2014 8:46:11 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: F15Eagle

I would be surprised if he hasn’t figured out Brian Wiliams can’t be trusted. The brief snipits I’ve heard from him, shows him to be far more intelligent and communicative than pretty much any Øbama voter. And no tele-prompter!

Then again, Brian does get a fair amount of viewers, so, speaking to the arguably, low intelligence audience does get his message out to the twitter crowd.

Which now that I read that last: is woefully redundant.

Question: how do you be a whistleblower for a three letter agency, like the ones he’s dealt with, and live to tell the tale, let alone blow the damn whistle?

Mr. Snowden does not strike me as a stupid man. And while we may argue about his patriotism; I for one will withhold judgement until more info is provided.


19 posted on 05/30/2014 8:46:26 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Dave346

I’d trust him over Obama any day.


20 posted on 05/30/2014 8:51:20 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: jiggyboy

I don’t disagree, but I don’t see anything in the Constitution, or at least in VI/2, about Executive Orders, which are therefore intrinsically suspect.


21 posted on 05/30/2014 8:53:53 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Craftmore

I agree with you, but it’s not just Obama. Snowden has exposed a government out of control, operating beyond the boundaries of the Constitution and the rule of law, and just as has been the case throughout history, those who do so are villified and called names. But it doesn’t change anything.


22 posted on 05/30/2014 8:54:24 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: montanajoe

So your word is gospel, huh?


23 posted on 05/30/2014 9:03:01 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: depressed in 06

Other than his word, what evidence has Snowden offered?


NBC was able to obtain one email backing up Snowden’s claim that he had originally tried to follow the chain of command.

Snowden claims there are many more emails to back up his attempts. He claims he was essentially told to sit down and shut up.

NBC has (allegedly) filed a FOIA to obtain his additional emails to his higher ups....FWIW.

Time will tell.


24 posted on 05/30/2014 9:03:49 PM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: montanajoe

NSA director James Flapper was asked point-blank by Congress if his agency was doing surveillance on American citizens and he lied by saying ‘ No.’
Like Slick Clinton unaware of the existence of the blue dress, Flapper didn’t know that Snowden was about to blow the whistle on his lie.
You like being lied to by your government and spied upon, in violation of the 4th amendment?
In talking about totalitarian governments, Orwell spent considerable time talking about people who “said in their own subjugation and relish the subjugation of others.”
Might that be you he was talking about?


25 posted on 05/30/2014 9:09:00 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: tumblindice

“said in their own”= aid in their own


26 posted on 05/30/2014 9:09:57 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: aposiopetic

“Its primary focus was on the question of whether an executive order issued by the president could trump a federal statute.”

The question goes to the very root of Obama’s “fundamental transformation” of America. You citation is at the core of what Obama is unilaterally changing about the structure of this government.


27 posted on 05/30/2014 9:10:08 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Dave346

Anybody noticing the similarity in the Russky’s use of Snowden tantamount to the LIBS exploitation of the likes of FLUKE, GIFFORDS, SHEEHAN or any such ‘martyr’ that is guaranteed to ‘embarrass’ the other side.

The only difference is that when the LIBS ‘drop’ someone, they just kind of squirm on the sidelines, popping up on occasion or being wheeled out for ‘special occasions’.

In Snowden’s case, a trip to Siberia is probably in his future - once his usefulness has been exploited for the last time.


28 posted on 05/30/2014 9:17:25 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98)"Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. (G Marx))".)
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To: Dave346

Snowden is a Patriotic American who is asking others to stand against tyranny by big gov’t. He’s a Hero. JMTC


29 posted on 05/30/2014 9:24:30 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE
“So your word is gospel, huh?”

My word is irrelevant. When Snowden signed up, he gave his word not to divulge the secrets he had access to. He broke that word. He is therefore a Traitor to his country.

The Constitution is not a suicide pact. The government has valid national security secrets that must be protected. Unfortunately, the government needs computer geeks like Snowden in todays world but it appears a significant number of them are security risks and should never have been given access to the information in the first place.

In my view the only way to make folks like Snowden honor their word is to shoot ‘em if they leak.

30 posted on 05/30/2014 9:38:55 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe

And when government oversteps the bounds of their charter/authority, then what?


31 posted on 05/30/2014 9:56:02 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

Then you use the channels that are available to make your case.

Chain of command etc...

So many libertarians love to spout off about the Constitution but they forget that any agreement depends on the integrity of the parties. If an individuals word is worth nothing then claiming he/she is somehow protecting the Constitution is just dumb.


32 posted on 05/30/2014 10:08:55 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe

You don’t suppose the oath he took had anything in it about protecting the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic do you? I would be curious about exactly what oath he took. Do you hold the politicians in the same disdain that ignore their oath to our constitution?


33 posted on 05/30/2014 10:12:19 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

“Do you hold the politicians in the same disdain that ignore their oath to our constitution?”

Yep..of both political parties. But even the idiots in Washington, for the most part, don’t leak the national security secrets they have access to..


34 posted on 05/30/2014 10:17:10 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe

Oh just CIA station chief in kabul and the shenanigans of pat leahy aka leaky leahy and teddy kennedy talking to the Russians during the Reagan presidency.I could go on.The rules for thee but not for me meme rules in DC.


35 posted on 05/30/2014 10:30:57 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: depressed in 06
Other than his word, what evidence has Snowden offered?

Nothing so they just want to hang him for no reason I guess.

36 posted on 05/30/2014 10:35:52 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: montanajoe
Yep..of both political parties. But even the idiots in Washington, for the most part, don’t leak the national security secrets they have access to..

You mean like Ted Kennedy?

Kennedy-KGB collaboration

37 posted on 05/30/2014 10:36:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: montanajoe
I hope that should this traitor ever return to US soil he be meet by a firing squad

Other than the government saying he has done irreparable harm, just what exactly do you know that he did? Who has been harmed, other than a bunch of NSA types having their bell rang?

38 posted on 05/30/2014 10:38:31 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: montanajoe

you’re right, you have nothing to say. all you can do is throw around a word - “traitor” - but you are unable to explain or justify it. like a kid who has a big new word he likes to use, but doesn’t understand.


39 posted on 05/30/2014 10:39:38 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: montanajoe
But even the idiots in Washington, for the most part, don’t leak the national security secrets they have access to..

You too young to remember the traitors in the Senate that revealed CIA operatives and got them killed during Ronald Reagan's administration?

40 posted on 05/30/2014 10:44:34 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: itsahoot

The NSA spies on their enemies, not our enemies.


41 posted on 05/30/2014 10:48:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: montanajoe

“Snowden is a TRAITOR. If you libertarian idiots cant grasp that simple fact I have nothing to say..other than stop calling yourselves Conservatives..”

Well, that accusation is totally a matter of perspective.

In a well oiled US government, without worry of constitutional rewriting to fit the situation, I would say probably so. But today is not that day.

There is a phrase used in every language, in every era and every country where a political revolution is in the making for just cause.

I’ll paraphrase as best I can. But it’s been said in many different ways, all with the same meaning and intent.

“When dictatorship is a fact revolution is a duty.”


42 posted on 05/30/2014 10:49:42 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: montanajoe
My word is irrelevant. When Snowden signed up, he gave his word not to divulge the secrets he had access to. He broke that word. He is therefore a Traitor to his country.

The problem is that the government in return "gave him their word" to serve and protect US citizens.

For example, you get a job as a security guard at a typical medical office and sign a standard contract that orders you to maintain privacy of what's going behind the closed doors. Once you start your job you discover that this business is an illegal organ harvesting center. Will you break your contract to report the crime?

One can say that the government trumps the private contract, and the government is the topmost authority in this world - and its actions cannot be questioned. But quite a few people would be quick to point out that there is a higher authority:

Explosive revelations by National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, documenting illegal government spying, are an unprecedented gift to truth and freedom.* They add wind to the sails of those who have labored to inform the public of the massive surveillance and wiretapping by our government on US citizens. Yet is Snowden a hero or a traitor? World opinion seems almost evenly divided. Many leaders and authorities say he is a hero; but Pres. Obama and Republican backers of the CISPA bill, which would legalize much of the spying Snowden has exposed, believe he should be convicted of treason and espionage.

At times like this, the Bible—ethical keel of Western civilization for millennia—must weigh in. Society needs a higher authority than opinion polls, federal law or precedents set by activist judges. Violation of law for the sake of vital good is an option within the redemptive nature of Biblical ethics. Jesus said it is lawful to do good. As Creator and Architect of salvation, Jesus Himself violated the eternal law that God will not coexist with sin. He gave free will to angelic and human beings, allowing potential for the most grievous rebellion for an ultimately greater good: that we might choose for Christ and live with God forever.

[...] Jesus, the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament, also violated His own Mosaic law against working on the Sabbath when He healed a man blind from birth, horrifying the legalistic, ruling Pharisees. Hungry, Christ harvested handfuls of grain with His disciples on the Sabbath, illegal under the Mosaic Law. He said man was not made for the law but the law for man. He challenged the Pharisees, saying if their ox fell into a ditch on the Sabbath they would pull it out. Similarly, He righteously lifted a blind man out of the lifetime ditch of sightlessness, even though that broke the law.

Obedient, unthinking following of orders did not work in Nuremberg. It should not work anywhere else either. Every order of a human being, or of a group of humans, may and should be questioned for compatibility with Christian ethics, as humans are fallible (and highly so.) If we all do that, the world will become better, and evil will be unable to propagate. Defeat the Stanford Prison Experiment.

43 posted on 05/30/2014 10:58:16 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: AFreeBird

I’d trust Snowden over Obama any second of any day.


44 posted on 05/30/2014 11:05:28 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: montanajoe
Chain of command etc...

The US UCMJ requires those subject to it to obey Lawful Orders. Mr. Snowden, in a similar circumstance, apparently felt compelled to go outside of the Chain of command and bring his story to the US people. It does not improve my safety to have the government reading my mail or listening to my phone conversations.

45 posted on 05/30/2014 11:17:17 PM PDT by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: montanajoe
In my view the only way to make folks like Snowden honor their word is to shoot ‘em if they leak.

You would have been quite at home in late 30's Germany.

Snowden is a Patriot for exposing the wholly unconstitutional acts of the NSA.

You are a total fool for believing that those at the highest levels of our government cherish our Constitution. They are the traitors.

Again Snowden is a Patriot for exposing the evils of our government.

P.S. Tell Karl Rove hi! He said about the same thing as you -- elites would think Snowden a traitor. A traitor to their love of State Power.

46 posted on 05/30/2014 11:24:17 PM PDT by sand88
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To: montanajoe
But even the idiots in Washington, for the most part, don’t leak the national security secrets they have access to..

LOL. you truly are naive. They may be leaking and we would NEVER know. Thanks for the laugh.

47 posted on 05/30/2014 11:25:20 PM PDT by sand88
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To: sand88
But even the idiots in Washington, for the most part, don’t leak the national security secrets they have access to..

Clinton was selling them to the Chinese!!

48 posted on 05/30/2014 11:31:19 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: itsahoot
Nothing so they just want to hang him for no reason I guess.

Now, that's a hoot!

49 posted on 05/30/2014 11:42:30 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: itsahoot

>> Other than the government saying he has done irreparable harm

He certainly damaged the image of the NSA.

Concerning documented evidence disseminated by Snowden, is any of it in the public domain?


50 posted on 05/30/2014 11:46:02 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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