Skip to comments.Snowden Strikes Back at NSA, Emails NBC News
Posted on 05/30/2014 7:48:21 PM PDT by Dave346
Fugitive Edward Snowden on Friday challenged the NSAs insistence that it has no evidence he tried to raise concerns about the agencys surveillance activity before he began leaking government documents to reporters, calling the response a clearly tailored and incomplete leak ... for a political advantage.
The NSA's new discovery of written contact between me and its lawyers -- after more than a year of denying any such contact existed - raises serious concerns, Snowden said in an email Friday to NBC News. It reveals as false the NSA's claim to Barton Gellman of the Washington Post in December of last year, that after extensive investigation, including interviews with his former NSA supervisors and co-workers, we have not found any evidence to support Mr. Snowdens contention that he brought these matters to anyones attention.
Snowdens email followed Thursdays release by the U.S. Office of the Director of Intelligence of an email exchange between Snowden and the NSAs Office of the General Counsel. The Washington Post received and published a similar response from Snowden on Thursday.
That email, dated April 5 , 2013, and bearing the subject line Question for OGC re. OVSC1800 Course Content, was a request for clarification about a legal point in training materials for a mandatory course regarding policies and procedures restricting domestic surveillance by the NSA. Its primary focus was on the question of whether an executive order issued by the president could trump a federal statute.
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What can that weasel do to “strike back” at anything?
Illiterates! How about Art. VI, Cl. 2?
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
Other than his word, what evidence has Snowden offered?
Betcha it just grinds the NSA’s grits to not be able to get their hands on him...
Who are you going to believe - the government, or your lying eyes?
The US feral government cancer has metastasized.
Snowden became a traitor when the 0bama regime made him one.
I hope that should this traitor ever return to US soil he be meet by a firing squad...both unlikely but a person can hope...
I watched what they “aired” of the interview. The high school drop out was relaxed and answered every question thoroughly. Ed isn’t a dummy, and seems to have calculated what information he has released. I have the sense to walk away from a game when one of the players is a shark. I think Ed has a hammer, and will swing it!
So,If I understand you he is a traitor for disclosing the traitoris/treasonis acts of the Obama administration?Doesnt that make him a patriot?
A patriot..surely you jest
Maybe, maybe not — the Executive Order or the federal statute or both could be unconstitutional.
Sohhhhh, violating your 4th amendment and several other rights makes the US government the good guy in this story?
No,Im deadly serious.A man shows us everything the Obama administration is doing to destroy our privacy rights and you call that man the traitor?
I would be surprised if he hasn’t figured out Brian Wiliams can’t be trusted. The brief snipits I’ve heard from him, shows him to be far more intelligent and communicative than pretty much any Øbama voter. And no tele-prompter!
Then again, Brian does get a fair amount of viewers, so, speaking to the arguably, low intelligence audience does get his message out to the twitter crowd.
Which now that I read that last: is woefully redundant.
Question: how do you be a whistleblower for a three letter agency, like the ones he’s dealt with, and live to tell the tale, let alone blow the damn whistle?
Mr. Snowden does not strike me as a stupid man. And while we may argue about his patriotism; I for one will withhold judgement until more info is provided.
I’d trust him over Obama any day.
I don’t disagree, but I don’t see anything in the Constitution, or at least in VI/2, about Executive Orders, which are therefore intrinsically suspect.
I agree with you, but it’s not just Obama. Snowden has exposed a government out of control, operating beyond the boundaries of the Constitution and the rule of law, and just as has been the case throughout history, those who do so are villified and called names. But it doesn’t change anything.
So your word is gospel, huh?
Other than his word, what evidence has Snowden offered?
Snowden claims there are many more emails to back up his attempts. He claims he was essentially told to sit down and shut up.
NBC has (allegedly) filed a FOIA to obtain his additional emails to his higher ups....FWIW.
Time will tell.
NSA director James Flapper was asked point-blank by Congress if his agency was doing surveillance on American citizens and he lied by saying ‘ No.’
Like Slick Clinton unaware of the existence of the blue dress, Flapper didn’t know that Snowden was about to blow the whistle on his lie.
You like being lied to by your government and spied upon, in violation of the 4th amendment?
In talking about totalitarian governments, Orwell spent considerable time talking about people who “said in their own subjugation and relish the subjugation of others.”
Might that be you he was talking about?
“said in their own”= aid in their own
“Its primary focus was on the question of whether an executive order issued by the president could trump a federal statute.”
The question goes to the very root of Obama’s “fundamental transformation” of America. You citation is at the core of what Obama is unilaterally changing about the structure of this government.
Anybody noticing the similarity in the Russky’s use of Snowden tantamount to the LIBS exploitation of the likes of FLUKE, GIFFORDS, SHEEHAN or any such ‘martyr’ that is guaranteed to ‘embarrass’ the other side.
The only difference is that when the LIBS ‘drop’ someone, they just kind of squirm on the sidelines, popping up on occasion or being wheeled out for ‘special occasions’.
In Snowden’s case, a trip to Siberia is probably in his future - once his usefulness has been exploited for the last time.
Snowden is a Patriotic American who is asking others to stand against tyranny by big gov’t. He’s a Hero. JMTC
My word is irrelevant. When Snowden signed up, he gave his word not to divulge the secrets he had access to. He broke that word. He is therefore a Traitor to his country.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact. The government has valid national security secrets that must be protected. Unfortunately, the government needs computer geeks like Snowden in todays world but it appears a significant number of them are security risks and should never have been given access to the information in the first place.
In my view the only way to make folks like Snowden honor their word is to shoot ‘em if they leak.
And when government oversteps the bounds of their charter/authority, then what?
Then you use the channels that are available to make your case.
Chain of command etc...
So many libertarians love to spout off about the Constitution but they forget that any agreement depends on the integrity of the parties. If an individuals word is worth nothing then claiming he/she is somehow protecting the Constitution is just dumb.
You don’t suppose the oath he took had anything in it about protecting the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic do you? I would be curious about exactly what oath he took. Do you hold the politicians in the same disdain that ignore their oath to our constitution?
“Do you hold the politicians in the same disdain that ignore their oath to our constitution?”
Yep..of both political parties. But even the idiots in Washington, for the most part, don’t leak the national security secrets they have access to..
Oh just CIA station chief in kabul and the shenanigans of pat leahy aka leaky leahy and teddy kennedy talking to the Russians during the Reagan presidency.I could go on.The rules for thee but not for me meme rules in DC.
Nothing so they just want to hang him for no reason I guess.
You mean like Ted Kennedy?
Other than the government saying he has done irreparable harm, just what exactly do you know that he did? Who has been harmed, other than a bunch of NSA types having their bell rang?
you’re right, you have nothing to say. all you can do is throw around a word - “traitor” - but you are unable to explain or justify it. like a kid who has a big new word he likes to use, but doesn’t understand.
You too young to remember the traitors in the Senate that revealed CIA operatives and got them killed during Ronald Reagan's administration?
The NSA spies on their enemies, not our enemies.
“Snowden is a TRAITOR. If you libertarian idiots cant grasp that simple fact I have nothing to say..other than stop calling yourselves Conservatives..”
Well, that accusation is totally a matter of perspective.
In a well oiled US government, without worry of constitutional rewriting to fit the situation, I would say probably so. But today is not that day.
There is a phrase used in every language, in every era and every country where a political revolution is in the making for just cause.
I’ll paraphrase as best I can. But it’s been said in many different ways, all with the same meaning and intent.
When dictatorship is a fact revolution is a duty.
The problem is that the government in return "gave him their word" to serve and protect US citizens.
For example, you get a job as a security guard at a typical medical office and sign a standard contract that orders you to maintain privacy of what's going behind the closed doors. Once you start your job you discover that this business is an illegal organ harvesting center. Will you break your contract to report the crime?
One can say that the government trumps the private contract, and the government is the topmost authority in this world - and its actions cannot be questioned. But quite a few people would be quick to point out that there is a higher authority:
Explosive revelations by National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, documenting illegal government spying, are an unprecedented gift to truth and freedom.* They add wind to the sails of those who have labored to inform the public of the massive surveillance and wiretapping by our government on US citizens. Yet is Snowden a hero or a traitor? World opinion seems almost evenly divided. Many leaders and authorities say he is a hero; but Pres. Obama and Republican backers of the CISPA bill, which would legalize much of the spying Snowden has exposed, believe he should be convicted of treason and espionage.
At times like this, the Bibleethical keel of Western civilization for millenniamust weigh in. Society needs a higher authority than opinion polls, federal law or precedents set by activist judges. Violation of law for the sake of vital good is an option within the redemptive nature of Biblical ethics. Jesus said it is lawful to do good. As Creator and Architect of salvation, Jesus Himself violated the eternal law that God will not coexist with sin. He gave free will to angelic and human beings, allowing potential for the most grievous rebellion for an ultimately greater good: that we might choose for Christ and live with God forever.
[...] Jesus, the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament, also violated His own Mosaic law against working on the Sabbath when He healed a man blind from birth, horrifying the legalistic, ruling Pharisees. Hungry, Christ harvested handfuls of grain with His disciples on the Sabbath, illegal under the Mosaic Law. He said man was not made for the law but the law for man. He challenged the Pharisees, saying if their ox fell into a ditch on the Sabbath they would pull it out. Similarly, He righteously lifted a blind man out of the lifetime ditch of sightlessness, even though that broke the law.
Obedient, unthinking following of orders did not work in Nuremberg. It should not work anywhere else either. Every order of a human being, or of a group of humans, may and should be questioned for compatibility with Christian ethics, as humans are fallible (and highly so.) If we all do that, the world will become better, and evil will be unable to propagate. Defeat the Stanford Prison Experiment.
The US UCMJ requires those subject to it to obey Lawful Orders. Mr. Snowden, in a similar circumstance, apparently felt compelled to go outside of the Chain of command and bring his story to the US people. It does not improve my safety to have the government reading my mail or listening to my phone conversations.
You would have been quite at home in late 30's Germany.
Snowden is a Patriot for exposing the wholly unconstitutional acts of the NSA.
You are a total fool for believing that those at the highest levels of our government cherish our Constitution. They are the traitors.
Again Snowden is a Patriot for exposing the evils of our government.
P.S. Tell Karl Rove hi! He said about the same thing as you -- elites would think Snowden a traitor. A traitor to their love of State Power.
LOL. you truly are naive. They may be leaking and we would NEVER know. Thanks for the laugh.
Clinton was selling them to the Chinese!!
Now, that's a hoot!
>> Other than the government saying he has done irreparable harm
He certainly damaged the image of the NSA.
Concerning documented evidence disseminated by Snowden, is any of it in the public domain?