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Homeless solution remains elusive ( Kauai - Hawaii )
The Garden Island ^ | May 29, 2014

Posted on 05/30/2014 8:28:33 PM PDT by george76

Homeless campers evicted’

That was the top headline in Friday’s TGI after campers at Anahola Beach Park were told to vacate or face arrest last week. We’re not disputing that these folks weren’t supposed to be there, but we will argue this is a sign of the severity of the homeless problem in Hawaii and specifically, on Kauai

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No surprise that homelessness is a problem. Kauai is a very expensive place to live. Rent, utilities, groceries and gas — all of which hit the shrinking middle class and the rising low-income hard — are among the highest in the nation. Jobs aren’t easy to come by. Jobs that pay well for blue-collar folks are at a premium. There are some who argue if people can’t make it here, then they should leave and go to North Dakota and work in the oil fields. Plenty of jobs there. But if this is your home, it’s difficult to pack up and move on, especially from a place known as paradise. So despite difficult living conditions, people stay. They want to remain in the place they love and there is much to love about Kauai.

Some will argue, the homeless have only themselves to blame. Should have gone to college, learned a better skill. Too lazy to work, some say. They drink, do drugs and smoke. They came here without work and assumed everyone would greet them with open arms and care for them. There’s also the argument, the more you do for the homeless, the more you’ll have. Provide free food, clothes, services, a place to sleep, and you’ll soon have all the homeless men and women you can handle and they’ll keep coming back. There will always be those who take advantage of resources and the kindness of others.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: anahola; hawaii; homeless; kauai

1 posted on 05/30/2014 8:28:33 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Kauai is a beautiful place. Paradise. If I hit the Powerball® numbers I’d move there for sure. Gorgeous weather. Theft and petty crime is commonplace there. I think the governor or some official had a plan to offer free plane tickets back to the states if they signed a pledge to never come back but that got shot down on legal concerns.


2 posted on 05/30/2014 8:37:09 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: george76
Matthew 26:11 Jesus: you always have the poor with you; but you do not always have Me.

Mark 14:7 The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me.

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His point was how short a time He would be on earth...but He said twice that we would always have the poor.
That's disheartening.

I once thought that with enough education, food, health care and housing, we could eliminate the poor. Ah me, I was young and idealistic.
Jesus WOULD know that we will always have the poor.

3 posted on 05/30/2014 8:40:33 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: BipolarBob

They are on all of the islands-—which was quite a surprise to me.

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4 posted on 05/30/2014 8:40:34 PM PDT by Mears
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To: BipolarBob
Kauai IS beautiful. So is most of Hawaii.

However, I found that after too long there I, and many people, succumb to JUNGLE ROT of the brain.

5 posted on 05/30/2014 8:42:01 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: george76

Maybe they could have like a rap session with them, man. That would be so far out!


6 posted on 05/30/2014 8:42:56 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: george76

I remember that other states shipped their homeless off to Hawaii.

Homelessness is not a state of being any rational person would want, and but for the grace of God we could each end up there if life went south.


7 posted on 05/30/2014 8:44:08 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: george76

Could they be chucked into a volcano as a sacrifice?


8 posted on 05/30/2014 8:58:23 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: george76

If you are going to be homeless, Hawaii is probably the best place to do it.


9 posted on 05/30/2014 9:02:25 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: george76
Before the black robed tyrants of the Supreme Court ruled otherwise vagrancy was a punishable crime in every state in the Union. Police and the courts had a lot of leeway to keep bums, derelicts, drunkards, hobos, miscreants, and anyone of questionable character off the streets and out of public spaces. You know back when decent people could walk down a city street in peace. I think they called it civilization.

For the down and out put them in half way homes until they can get back on their feet.

For the chronically lazy, terminally drug addled, and just plain crazy, put them on an island where they can live how they want without bothering decent working people.

10 posted on 05/30/2014 9:08:42 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: cloudmountain

You had this all wrong. If it were not for uncomfortable circumstance, what would there be to rise above? Being poor should be motivation to change your condition, not look for some bureaucrat to change it for you by tearing somebody else down. The poor serve an important and integral purpose, until they learn they can vote for a living...


11 posted on 05/30/2014 9:26:49 PM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: george76

“Bottom line — the homeless population on Kauai is going to increase before it decreases. More will arrive via plane, somehow scrapping together ticket fare to get here. “

Somehow they are getting plane tickets to get there, they then expect the govt to support them.


12 posted on 05/30/2014 9:33:37 PM PDT by Steven Scharf
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To: george76
There are some who argue if people can’t make it here, then they should leave and go to North Dakota and work in the oil fields. Plenty of jobs there. But if this is your home, it’s difficult to pack up and move on, especially from a place known as paradise.

Tough beans! Move to North Dakota and make enough money to come back and visit your "paradise". Save up enough and you can retire back home, in paradise.

13 posted on 05/30/2014 9:35:06 PM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: Steamburg
You had this all wrong. If it were not for uncomfortable circumstance, what would there be to rise above? Being poor should be motivation to change your condition, not look for some bureaucrat to change it for you by tearing somebody else down. The poor serve an important and integral purpose, until they learn they can vote for a living...

I WAS quoting Jesus--Mark 14:7 and Matthew 26:11. HE said that we would always have the poor with us.
But, perhaps you know better than Jesus.

14 posted on 05/30/2014 9:36:39 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

I have to wonder how many here have actually dealt with the homeless. Who has had to tell them they can’t be where they are, but also tell them there is nowhere to go. I have, as a police officer. It’s by the Grace of God that I never ended up there, and I’ve been by the Grace of God financially ok during my lifetime. Don’t ever assume shit can’t happen to you.


15 posted on 05/30/2014 11:03:26 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: george76

So what’s new? I remember homeless people on Kauai more than 40 years ago. Not a bad place to be homeless, I’d say.


16 posted on 05/31/2014 4:06:46 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: KJC1
I have to wonder how many here have actually dealt with the homeless. Who has had to tell them they can’t be where they are, but also tell them there is nowhere to go.

I've just spent 60 days in the jail house For the crime of having no dough, no no
Now here I am back out on the street For the crime of having nowhere to go.
Save your neck or save your brother Looks like it's one or the other
Oh, you don't know the shape I'm in.

The Band

17 posted on 05/31/2014 4:19:51 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Before the black robed tyrants of the Supreme Court ruled otherwise vagrancy was a punishable crime in every state in the Union.


I’m not familiar with that case. Do you recall the name?


18 posted on 05/31/2014 5:29:34 AM PDT by Freeping Since 2001 (Since 2001. Seriously.)
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To: KJC1

Who has had to tell them they can’t be where they are, but also tell them there is nowhere to go.


“Homelessness” (a propaganda term from the left if ever there was one) thrives primarily because of the government checks handed to those bums. Stop the checks, and homelessness ends.

Let charities and qualified individuals “host a hobo” and get the check instead, like a foster/group home.


19 posted on 05/31/2014 5:33:02 AM PDT by Freeping Since 2001 (Since 2001. Seriously.)
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To: cloudmountain

It’s not the quote that is wrong. It is a misunderstanding of the quote. Clearly, your interpretation and mine are the kinds of arguments that divide people on how to believe more than on what they believe. I was pointing out that the poor not only exist, but that they have a purpose. I also pointed out that the progressives in society have perverted that purpose to make the poor into their weapon. I might add that they have no intention of changing the circumstances of the the poor as their power comes from victimization not success.

Making Jesus into a straw dog argument to attack those who have a different interpretation has long been a tactic of religion as opposed to faith.


20 posted on 05/31/2014 6:31:35 AM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: KJC1
I have to wonder how many here have actually dealt with the homeless. Who has had to tell them they can’t be where they are, but also tell them there is nowhere to go. I have, as a police officer. It’s by the Grace of God that I never ended up there, and I’ve been by the Grace of God financially ok during my lifetime. Don’t ever assume shit can’t happen to you.

I don't.

However, one CAN do some preparation for it. The preparation might not be enough to take care of ALL shit, but it does forestall some of the worse shit.

TOO often the homeless are mentally disturbed and/or have suffered from the effects of drugs and/or alcohol.

I grew up in the city and saw my share of these poor souls. I also know that many went to rehab to get better so that the drugs would give that "buzz" again. Many just prefer to live for the "buzz," no matter what.

You can't MAKE people be good or do what's good for them. The choice HAS to come from them.

As a people we are as good as our efforts to TRY to get people to do what is best for them. But, in the end, it IS their choice.

21 posted on 05/31/2014 6:32:09 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Steamburg

I agree with you Steamburg.


22 posted on 05/31/2014 9:31:04 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: KJC1
Who has had to tell them they can’t be where they are, but also tell them there is nowhere to go.

That's not a job I would want to have. it would be depressing.

23 posted on 05/31/2014 9:32:25 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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24 posted on 05/31/2014 9:33:51 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Freeping Since 2001
I’m not familiar with that case. Do you recall the name?

Papachristou v. Jacksonville was a big one. There were other lesser court rulings throughout the 60's which weakened vagrancy laws but I don't know them off hand.

25 posted on 06/01/2014 3:47:04 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: george76
They came here without work

So... which is it? Conflicted message in the story. Were they born here and can't find work, or did they immigrate here to be homeless and jobless in a better climate?
26 posted on 06/03/2014 7:23:17 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (IN-SAPORIBVS-SICVT-PVLLVM)
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To: musicman

Build a democrat a fire, and he’ll be warm for a night.

Set a democrat on fire, and he’ll be hot the rest of his life.


27 posted on 06/03/2014 7:24:22 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (IN-SAPORIBVS-SICVT-PVLLVM)
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