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DHS Secretary Sees 'Legal Ambiguity' in Status of Illegal Aliens
CNS News ^ | May 30, 2014 | Susan Jones

Posted on 05/31/2014 2:12:38 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

"We have to accept the fact that we have 11.5 million undocumented immigrants in this country," Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson told the House Judiciary Committee on Thursday. "We have to deal with that. I don't think we should allow them to exist in a state of legal ambiguity or in a dark hole."

Johnson noted that some states now issue drivers' licenses to undocumented immigrants, and he also mentioned that they can practice law in California. "So they're not going away. They're not going to self-deport. I would rather see us reckon with this population than continue in the state of legal ambiguity we're in right now."

(VIDEO-AT-LINK)

"There is no legal ambiguity," Rep. Doug Collins (R-Ga.) told Johnson.

"These 11.4 million...they're not here in a lawful status, correct?" Collins asked.

"For the most part, that's correct," Johnson responded.

"No, no, are they here in a lawful status or not?" Collins pressed. "You can't have it both ways. If they're here in a legal status, then they're not undocumented...they're here legally, if they have some form of legal status."

Collins said there's nothing legally ambiguous about people who are undocumented and "not here properly. That's not a legal ambiguity," he insisted.

"I just don't think it's being very honest with the committee to say that there's legal ambiguity here. If there were, this would be a whole different discussion," Collins told Johnson.

But Johnson disagreed: "Sir, there is legal ambiguity in that they are here undocumented, but there are states that permit them to have driver's licenses. I consider that an ambiguous legal state. And we have to fix it. The system is broken. We're not going to deport 11-and-a-half million undocumented immigrants in this country. You and I both know that."

Johnson said he would "rather deal with this population, encourage them to be held accountable, encourage them to pay taxes, get on the books and get on an earned path to citizenship so that they go through the necessary background checks, they're in a position where they can work legally, and we reckon with this problem."

Collins asked Johnson if he would be willing to identify "any criminal alien released in Georgia since 2012 so I can provide appropriate oversight on behalf of the good citizens of my district."

"I believe we're in a position to do that, and I will do that, yes sir," Johnson said.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; amnestypimps; dhs; illegalaliens; illegals; immigration; jehjohnson; liberalagenda; obama

1 posted on 05/31/2014 2:12:38 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I miss the rule of law.

I don’t see the #YesAllWomen tweets arguing that we will always have rape and violence against women (even though we will) so we should tolerate and even celebrate those crimes. It makes no more sense to argue that we will always have criminals who enter our country illegally, so we should tolerate and even celebrate them.

Illegals who have driver’s licenses just make it easier to find those who have violated our laws. I’m okay with changing immigration law for legal immigrants (in fact, I support making legal immigration for desirable, law-abiding immigrants easier), but I’m not okay with rewarding criminals who entered our country illegally.


3 posted on 05/31/2014 2:43:37 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1

To be blunt, this is now the rule of melanin..


4 posted on 05/31/2014 2:54:56 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Take away their driver’s license.


5 posted on 05/31/2014 3:08:17 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Headlines nowadays... so weird.


6 posted on 05/31/2014 3:12:29 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ambiguity? What’s ambiguous about that they’re here illegally?


7 posted on 05/31/2014 3:24:23 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Unarmed people cannot defend themselves. America is no longer a Free Country.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

> We’re not going to deport 11-and-a-half million undocumented immigrants in this country.

WHY NOT?


8 posted on 05/31/2014 3:26:06 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Unarmed people cannot defend themselves. America is no longer a Free Country.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What? Take their DNA and put a chip in them: legal status is undesirable.


9 posted on 05/31/2014 3:28:47 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: BuffaloJack

It has been done before during the depression. They are full of it.


10 posted on 05/31/2014 3:29:27 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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DHS, MY AUNT TILLE Go perform an anatomical impossibility w/ yourself, you imbecile....we DONT have a broken system.

If this govt jerk had any sense whatsoever, he'd know we are being invaded by pressure groups who are here to weaken US ntl security. These border-violators are the advancing force of the armed insurgency, salivating to takeover the American SW.....and they plan to do it on our dime.

============================================== Illegals are notorious for using stolen SS nos and fake ID's.
We need to determine the fraudulent names and multiple identities of those:

<><> fraudulently pocketing welfare, food stamps, EITC refunds, SSI, free medical care, Section 8 housing, UI, Workmen's comp,

<><> falsely getting hefty SS checks by claiming "asylum"

<><> falsifying apps to get fraudulent sub-prime mortgages,

<><> making false claims on IRS forms in order to get multiple EITC refunds?

<><> falsely using illegal driver's licenses?

<><> wire-transferring money back to Mexico; the Third World,

<><> opening offshore accounts under multiple identities,

<><> how many are paid agents of foreign governments.

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Cashing multiple govt checks under several identities is generally used in these categories:

UI, SSI, Workmen's Comp,

TANF (temporary assistance to needy families),

WICS (food assistance),

subsidized Section 8 shelter,

ObamaPhone subsidies,

Utility Assistance subsidies,

School breakfasts/lunches/snacks subsidies,

$5000 a year EITC checks per identity.

11 posted on 05/31/2014 3:36:51 AM PDT by Liz
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The armed insurgency is in collusion w/ groups here in the US----the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, La Raza, "hyphenated voting rights groups." An exhaustive investigation of their records should commence, to uncover possible Falsifying of Official Government Documents.....punishable by 10 year incarceration.

Falsifying Government Documents. involves altering, changing, or modifying a document for the purpose of deception.......can also involve forgery and/or passing copies of false documents.

Falsifying documents is usually done in connection with broader criminal aims, such as extortion, government fraud, tax evasion, money laundering, financing the insurgency, terrorism, benefitting cronies, relatives, etc........

Types of documents commonly falsified may include:
◾Tax returns and income statements
◾Personal checks
◾Bank account records
◾Business record keeping books
◾Immigration documents (such as visas, passports, etc.)
◾Identification cards and birth certificates

Many different types of acts can be considered as falsifying a document, including:
◾Altering or misrepresenting factual information such as prices or monetary amounts
◾Stating false information when requested to provide truthful statements
◾Forging a signature
◾Using official letterheads without authorization
◾Concealing assets or property WRT obtaining federal/state grants))
◾Knowingly using or distributing a fake document

A person can only be held criminally liable if they are deliberately acting with the intention of deceiving or defrauding another party.

Falsifying documents is a very serious offense and is generally classified as a felony. This means that a person charged with falsifying documents may be subject to the following legal penalties:
◾Having to pay a monetary fine
◾Incarceration in a prison facility

Depending on the gravity of the offense, as well as individual state laws, falsifying documents can result in a prison sentence of 5-10 years. Also, if government documents or authorities were involved, the legal penalties may be more severe. ..... legal penalties may increase with repeat offenses.

The penalty for falsifying government documents is outlined in the Crimes Act of 1958.

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The FBI, SEC and IRS should examine every document filed.

Every official tax-exempt document filed by La Raza, the CHC and latino-centric hyphenated groups needs to be scrutinized in conjunction w/ possible connections to govt fraud, corruption, money laundering and tax evasion, financing the insurgency, armed conquest of the SW takeover. Perjury and forgery, need to be considered.

Falsifying Official Public Documents involves altering, changing, or modifying a document for the purpose of deception.......can also involve forgery and/or passing copies of false documents. Falsifying documents is usually done in connection with broader criminal aims, such as extortion, government fraud, tax evasion, money laundering, financing terrorism........

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L/E should to get ahold of the groups' (1) check copies, (2) wire transfers, (3) account statements, (4) invoices, (5) bills, (6) delivery tickets, (7) correspondence including e-mail, contracts, loan agreements, and, (8) any other books or records.

L/E should also explore (a) monies the groups' paid to brokers, sub-brokers, (b) family members, (c) mortgage brokers, (d) financial managers, and, (e) real estate agents, brokers, and developers.

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MORE HERE It's time to mobilize the Bank Secrecy Act----to follow the paper trail of La Raza and the Hispanic Caucus govt grant disbursements, and determine how govt monies changes hands.

Taxpayers demand to know the scope and dimension of government insiders ability to collude in sub rosa deals and who might be personally profiting.

<><> L/E needs to examine multiple bank accounts.

<><> Joint bank accounts might be used to facilitate the transfer govt funds from one account to another, and/or wire-transferred to the Third World;

<><> To cover their tracks, fake govt invoices might be created to show that govt money deposited into accounts was being used for legitimate govt purposes.

<><> Financial schemes scheme might be advanced by issuing phony statements of payments from financial sources that actually covered the transfer of govt funds for insiders' personal use and/or for redistribution schemes.

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NOTE WELL Under the Bank Secrecy Act, banks are required to establish, implement and maintain programs designed to detect and report suspicious activity indicative of money laundering and other financial crimes. “The Bank Secrecy Act was enacted to protect the public from harm by identifying and detecting money laundering from criminal enterprises, terrorism, tax evasion or other unlawful activities,” the special agent in charge for Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation, explained.

Shady banking transactions could be prosecuted under the (1) Bank Secrecy ACT, (2) RICO, and, (3) the Hobbs Act.

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<><> L/E should get ahold of: (1) copies of checks, (2) wire transfers, (3) account statements, (4) invoices, (5) bills, (6) delivery tickets, (7) correspondence including snail mail, e-mail, mobile devices, cell phones, (8) contracts, (9) loan agreements, (10) other account books or official records.

L/E should also explore (a) monies paid to brokers, sub- brokers, (b) family members, (c) mortgage brokers, (d) financial managers, and, (e) real estate agents, brokers, and developers.

<><> L/E should scrutinize bank accounts for suspicious activites: (A) large deposits, (B) funds transferred from one account into another, (C) frequent requests for withdrawals.

<><> Bank records might also show diversions to secret LLC accounts, to money launder and to operate personal ventures---or to finance campaign activities (and/or other redistribution schemes favored by the WH).

Tax fraud may also be a factor; facilitated by withdrawals, gift cards purchases, credit card purchases and intra-bank transfers from DHS accounts into personal accounts, campaign accounts, or into redistribution schemes.

<><> A huge tipoff is whether bank withdrawals support and luxurious lifestyle including payments for real estate, investment and stock holdings, jewelry, luxury vehicles, resort travel....... and gifts from luxury outlets for wives and mistresses (and campaign activities, or other progressive redistribution schemes).

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Taxpayers demand the Bank Secrecy Act be used to prosecute govt fraud, pronto.

SAMPLE LETTER TO LAW ENFORCEMENT
Taxpayers are urged to act now.
FBI TIPS PAGE https://tips.fbi.gov
EMAIL enforcement@SEC.gov

SUBJECT: Collusion, conspiracy, and bribery
IN RE: financial irregularities
REFERENCE: govt fraud, falsified documents, wire transfers, accounting fraud, terrorism, armed insurgency, etc.

NARRATIVE Taxpayers demand to know the scope and dimension of multiple conspiracies by government insiders to collude in sub rosa deals to personally profit and/or to facilitate redistribution schemes.

OF INTEREST TO LAW ENFORCEMENT The FBI should interrogate individuals for evidence of multiple schemes to falsify documents to further insider schemes. The FBI should investigate any and all official documents submitted by DHS.

Crimes might include---conspiracy, collusion, falsifying official documents (a felony), money laundering, tax evasion, extorting taxpayers, theft of govt monies, misuse of public office and government positions, financing the insurgency, funding the SW armed takeover plans, etc.

Examine CHC members and personnel tax returns with a fine-tooth comb.....especially entries for "interest income."

12 posted on 05/31/2014 3:43:34 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Tennessee Nana; AuntB; TADSLOS; Grampa Dave; ken5050; Jane Long; no-to-illegals; 2ndDivisionVet
Johnson should be advised of his Miranda rights----that every word he says can be held against him.

Johnson is under govt contract, being paid to protect the American people.

If just one more American is killed, Johnson should be advised, he will be sued for breach of contract.

13 posted on 05/31/2014 3:48:35 AM PDT by Liz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There was no ambiguity in the feds announcing Clive Bundy as a terrorist.


14 posted on 05/31/2014 3:54:29 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m so glad our republican Senators asked the hard questions during the confirmation hearings. /Dripping


15 posted on 05/31/2014 4:07:07 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi or Atty General Holder, who brought more guns to Mexico?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"So they're not going away. They're not going to self-deport."

Simply use e-Verify for jobs and social benefits. Eliminate the fraudulent hiring promoted by the Chamber of Commerce and the other government freebies and they will go home. Why is that so difficult to understand?

16 posted on 05/31/2014 4:15:08 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Legal Ambiguity my ass.If they don’t have a U.S. Birth certificate or a green card send their butts home.Get them the hell out of the country.

If laws cannot and will not be enforced on illegal aliens,they should not be enforced on the American people.

Another thing the Government should Stop inviting more of these Parasites by subsidizing their entry here.


17 posted on 05/31/2014 4:17:55 AM PDT by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

11.5 million my patootie.


18 posted on 05/31/2014 5:38:20 AM PDT by moovova
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How many Americans are prepared to learn that the number of illegal intruders is much closer to 55 million?

Once they hand over ‘amnesty’, they cannot draw it back when they find out the numbers have been vastly understated.


19 posted on 05/31/2014 5:42:14 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

While it pi$$e$ me off, I have to agree that there is legal ambiguity. Perry hit that nail on the head a while back. When those who are supposed to be enforcing the laws give tacit approval to certain crimes, and even abet those committing the crimes, you have established a legal ambiguity and done some serious erosion to the rule of law.


20 posted on 05/31/2014 5:43:22 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Liz
These border-violators are the advancing force of the armed insurgency, salivating to takeover the American SW.....and they plan to do it on our dime.

... how many are paid agents of foreign governments.

I have said it for a while. La Raza is a terrorist organization.

21 posted on 05/31/2014 5:48:04 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Global Warming is caused by illegal immigrants!)
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To: VRW Conspirator
Obama has nominated latino-separatist Julian Castro, as the new HUD Secy. HUD will administer Obama's revolutionary AFFH regulations, once they go into effect.

BEWARE THE CASTROS US Cong Julian Castro, San Antonio, his identical twin brother -- San Diego Mayor Julian Castro (making the rounds of presidential primary states)....and Mamsita Castro---Maria “Rosie” Castro--hardline La Raza activist.

Freshman Cong Joaquín Castro warned last year that if Speaker Boehner adhered to his promise to invoke the so-called Hastert rule, the House will not pass comprehensive immigration reform last year.

So I guess deferring amnesty will put the kibosh to the ambitious Castro family's separatist plans for America, thank God.

God only knows how much govt money and Congressional tax money----from her sons----is going into furthering mamasita's La Raza activities.

San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro---2012 Democrat convention keynoter---genially introduced the twins' mother, Maria “Rosie” Castro to the convention-goers. Mamasita Castro is a radical ethnocentric, anti-assimilationist....a key figure in the activities of the blood-thirsty, tax-funded “La Raza."

(Julian is mentioned as a possible 2016 Dem VP candidate)

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AMERICANS ARE ALREADY FUNDING MAMASITA'S HATE-FILLED ORGANIZATION BIGTIME: In 2005 alone, $7.9 million in taxpayer funding was given to La Raza charter schools in the form of US Dept of Education grants.

LA RAZA schools stress Latino culture, the Spanish language, the re-conquest of the American Southwest, the establishment of the mythical Atzlan on US soil, and even Aztec math.

In addition to using taxpayer funds to enforce the teaching of murder and violence in US public schools, the federally-funded La Raza organization operates 100 charter schools across America.

LA RAZA TEACHES HATE-AMERICA WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS La Raza Studies do not even try to sugar-coat its anti-America agenda and its bloodthirsty plans to kill off Americans: Raza Studies textbook “Occupied America,” by Rodolfo Acuña, includes a violent and blood-curdling speech given by university professor Jose Angel Gutierrez: “We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is, if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him,” (pg. 323). The following is taken directly from La Raza's Occupied America: “.......execute all white males over age 16,” (p 167--AKA the Plan of San Diego).

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La Raza also got Democrat Congressional earmarks and tax dollars for "mortgage counseling." The super-secret Congressional Hispanic Caucus calculatedly launched a housing initiative called "HOGAR"-- Spanish for home. Conspiracy and collusion were the watchwords....... race-based "La Raza" was given tax dollars and Congressionsl earmarks to finance its so-called mortgage activities. La Raza's "strategic partnerships” with Wachovia and Bank of America forced the falsifications of mortgage-application and the dumbing down of mtge requirements and documentation standards.......which caused taxpayers to be socked w/ billions in bailouts as the US economy tanked.

La Raza aided and abetted risky federal and private-home loans to latinos over the last decade. thanks to the lending industry’s version of “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

In addition to millions of federal tax dollars, La Raza also collected a $1 million Democratic earmark that funded “community-development” projects. Analysts report that much of it went to "mortgage counseling."

(waiting for hysterical laughter to die down)

22 posted on 05/31/2014 5:56:04 AM PDT by Liz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Johnson said he would "rather deal with this population, encourage them to be held accountable, encourage them to pay taxes vote democrap.
23 posted on 05/31/2014 6:05:21 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Liz
professor Jose Angel Gutierrez: “We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is, if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him,”

Written statements like that should be enough to pull all preferred status and tax exempt status from La Raza, as well as adding officers to no-fly lists, etc...mind boggling. (little humor, see tagline)

24 posted on 05/31/2014 6:52:33 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Global Warming is caused by illegal immigrants!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Asset forfeiture => self-deportation

Problem solved


25 posted on 05/31/2014 7:24:47 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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