Skip to comments.Keeping guns out of the hands of criminals
Posted on 05/31/2014 5:09:14 AM PDT by rellimpank
Chicago has many law-abiding gun owners who handle their weapons safely and responsibly. The ordinance proposed by Mayor Rahm Emanuel to regulate gun sales in the city is not about them. It's about Chicago's other gun owners: violent thugs who kill innocents as well as each other while terrorizing countless citizens with the ever-present threat of death by bullet.
Those are the people who have given this city a murder rate far higher than that of other big cities, including New York and Los Angeles. The measures Emanuel requests won't incapacitate all or most of them. But they would make a significant difference in how easy it is for criminals to get guns.
Emanuel would prefer to allow no gun shops. After the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Chicago's ban on handgun ownership, the city passed a law outlawing gun stores. But in January that ban also fell, at the hands of a federal judge who ruled that it violated the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.
He gave Chicago six months to enact a new ordinance allowing gun stores. But he stressed that "nothing in this opinion prevents the city from considering other regulations ... on sales and transfers of firearms to minimize the access of criminals to firearms."
That's what the mayor's proposal aims to do. The city undertook a study, with the help of the respected University of Chicago Crime Lab, which found that Chicago police recover seven times more guns, per capita, than the New York police and more than twice as many as the Los Angeles police. Nearly 60 percent of the guns were brought in other states. Almost 20 percent came from four gun shops near Chicago three in the suburbs and one in Gary.
(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...
I thought it was an article about disarming the federal government.
1) Don't let politicians have guns.
2) Don't let the staff of politicians, including security, have guns.
People should not fear the government; the government should fear the people.
criminals will always be able get guns
Since it is likely a considerable portion of the remainder are stolen, it's difficult to see how anything the city of Chicago can do would make any significant impact.
Did the author really think about what these two sentences say?
Keeping guns out of the hands of criminals is a strawman argument for reasonably stupid supporters of reasonable gun control. The fact is that criminals will get a gun if they want one and increased penalties don’t do a thing to deter them. Instead we collect data on lawful gun owners.
We would be far more effective at controlling gun crime if we locked up truly dangerous criminals and kept them locked up. Assume all other free men are fine with or without a gun.
And the Tribune can’t figure out why nobody reads their paper anymore.
The measures Emanuel requests won’t incapacitate all or most of them.
Proving its just useless demofascist feel good to be DOING SOMETHING bs.
It makes no difference where the guns were purchased. The vast majority of the guns used to commit crimes are stolen and bought on the black market -— not in gun shops.
Likewise, we must work to keep printing presses out of the hands of people who cannot be responsible with truth. We must also keep the government checkbook out of the hands of politicians and bureaucrats who cannot be responsible with the people’s money. Likewise, we must keep the signing pen away from policymakers who cannot be responsible with government power, which in the last century caused the deaths of untold millions of people more than any criminal or corporation did.
The serious cases of late....all are connected to persons with mental illnesses and on meds. Everyone of these was preventable with due diligence because someone was forewarned in every case.
If people start leaving the cesspools and relocating to saner places, the division will become much more visible and sanity may have a better chance to win. When Left-Wing strongholds don’t have any of us vile Right-Wingers to support them, they tend to go from deterioration to putrid rot.
dropped my subscription 20 years ago because of their anti-gun positions. And told them that when I dropped.
No matter how bad the results of a liberal program or law, the liberal always says that the only reason it failed was that it did not go far enough. More money and more laws would have made it a success.
They never ever. no matter how bad the results, admit they were wrong.
“Keeping guns out of the hands of criminals is a strawman argument for reasonably stupid supporters of reasonable gun control. The fact is that criminals will get a gun if they want one and increased penalties dont do a thing to deter them. Instead we collect data on lawful gun owners.
We would be far more effective at controlling gun crime if we locked up truly dangerous criminals and kept them locked up. Assume all other free men are fine with or without a gun.”
“But they would make a significant difference in how easy it is for criminals to get guns.”
Uh...No, they won’t.
Where guns come from is meaningless.
If gun control laws were strict all over the country - the NEW statistics would read "90% of Chicago guns are coming from Mexican controlled cartels".
Does the idiot who wrote this really want the gun industry turned over to the mob? Chicago of all places should understand incentives involved in prohibition.
I have a better idea and congress could enact it tomorrow. It’s is already a federal felony for a felon to be in possesion of a firearm. Congress could demand a mandatory minimum five year prison sentence (on top of any other crime) for anybody previously convicted of a violent crime such as forcable rape, murder, mollestation, armed robbey, etc.
This would target directly the very people we really don’t want possesing firearms. I’m not worried that Martha Stewart might go on a shooting rampage.
LISTEN TO AUDIO:
‘Oh My Jesus!’: Shots Fired During NPR Interview In Chicago
May 29, 2014 8:55 AM ET
An earlier version of this Web story stated that reporter David Schaper was interviewing people about gun violence when the shots were heard. He was in fact reporting on urban renewal efforts.
An NPR interview in Chicago included an all-too-real example of the city’s violence when a burst of gunfire erupted down the street from where NPR’s David Schaper was conducting an interview Wednesday. He had been speaking to a neighborhood activist when a gunman opened fire nearby.
David was reporting a story on efforts to reclaim and repurpose community eyesores when the shots were fired. The radio story that aired on today’s is jarring, as a talk about community engagement is suddenly overcome by shots that rang out shortly after kids had gotten out of school.
David had been talking with Asiaha Butler, a community booster and , on her porch in the city’s South Side neighborhood of Englewood when their conversation was derailed by a fusillade of gunfire. Parents immediately rushed to get their kids inside, and while no one on Butler’s porch was hurt, the incident marred a conversation about progress in the neighborhood.
-or- make sure ANYONE who wants and legally qualifies for a firearm can get one with ease...
Then, the “playing field” is a little more even.
Criminals will ALWAYS have firearms... let me say it again... ALWAYS!
Better to arm everyone else...
“make sure ANYONE who wants and legally qualifies for a firearm can get one with ease...
Then, the playing field is a little more even.
Criminals will ALWAYS have firearms... let me say it again... ALWAYS!
Better to arm everyone else...”
As Americans do like equality, and we are a playful people, who enjoy our guns. To further our enjoyment, consider the benefits of that old American method of ‘direct reduction’ of the population of criminals - the “BOUNTY”.
It works, costs little when compared to prisons, and think of the happy smile on the face of an elderly Black person living in Urban Feral habitat when the Bounty Check arrives in the mail!
Then, think of the multitudinous happy smiles on the faces of the rest of the tax paying population when they read the daily list of Bounty Awardees, and they remember of all the penal system costs they won’t be paying.
***Nearly 60 percent of the guns were brought in other states. Almost 20 percent came from four gun shops near Chicago***
Bunk. You can’t buy handguns across state lines, Plus, if in Illinois, you must have a FOID.
Not legally, perhaps. For those with intention to use guns to commit crimes, this legality is not likely to be a major concern.
I would assume what the article is trying to say is that this 60% of the guns used in Chicago crimes were originally bought legally in other states. They were then either stolen from the legal purchasers and illegally trafficked into IL, or were illegally sold across state lines by the original legal purchasers.
In either case, it's difficult to see how a Chicago city ordinance could have any impact at all on the situation.
Some states have such laws but prosecutors often drop these charges for an easy guilty plea for another crime that does not have a minimum and the thugs are out in a matter of months. The system is so screwed up they will take the easy conviction to keep their stats up.
The Trib is a mouthpiece for City Hall with no news of interest to anyone living outside of Chicago except for knowing what additional tyranny the mayor wants to impose on the rest of Illinois.
The Trib is bird cage liner & nothing more.
This is not really a defensible conservative position.
In any other aspect of life we recognize that increased regulation creating barriers to entry, even inefficient barriers, reduces that activity.
But supposedly when the issue is access to guns, any conceivable regulations are supposed to have ZERO impact on their availability and use in crime.
I will cheerfully agree that most proposed gun control regulations would be highly ineffective and severely intrusive on the civil rights of law-abiding citizens. For which reason, among others, they should not be implemented.
But that's very different from claiming that laws that make getting a gun more difficult will have no effect at all on the number of crimes committed with guns.
Reasonable gun laws are for reasonably stupid people.
[Note: Rahm Emanuel knows all about this because it was being done by ATF on his watch while he was Barry's Chief of Staff in the White House. If anything, the volume of guns supplied to Chicago gangs through ATF straw man purchases in Indiana have multiplied since Rahm became Mayor of Chicago.]
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