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Eliminate ties in the National Spelling Bee!
Chicago Tribune ^ | Friday, May 30, 2014 | ERIC ZORN

Posted on 05/31/2014 5:27:04 AM PDT by Dave346

Who knew that the Scripps National Spelling Bee could end with the crowning of co-champions?

It’s been 52 years since it happened last, and I, for one was dismayed to learn that the final spell-off between Sriram Hathwar, 14, and Ansun Sujoe, 13, Thursday ended in a tie.

What is this, soccer?

It turns out that when the field of competitors is winnowed to two or three contestants, they move on to “the 25-word championship section of the word list,” according to the official rules posted online. “If a champion does not emerge in the course of administering these final 25 words, the remaining spellers will be declared co-champions.”

Admittedly, the championship list is extremely difficult words. Skandhas, hyblaean, feijoada, augenphilologie, sdrucciola, holluschick, thyemelici and paixtle were among those that the young men nailed before concluding with stichomythia and feuilleton. But there are thousands of exotic, technical, absurdly useless words in the grand lexicon, and no reason to limit the championship section to just 25.

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1 posted on 05/31/2014 5:27:04 AM PDT by Dave346
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To: Dave346

These spelling run offs have become ridiculous. So you can spell odd and useless words. Big whoop....Go outside and play.


2 posted on 05/31/2014 5:33:53 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Dave346
Sriram Hathwar lives ~25 miles from here
3 posted on 05/31/2014 5:34:48 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Dave346

I’m fine with a tie when the kids get to that level. This isn’t the same as throwing “cat” or “ball” into the contest to keep things equal.


4 posted on 05/31/2014 5:35:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Dave346

The point of spelling is to be excellent, not to just win titles. Once two people have proven excellence far and above the rest of the field, I have no problem with both being able to claim the win.


5 posted on 05/31/2014 5:35:38 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: Dave346

they should be required to wear appropriate helmet and shoulder pads....spelling bees could be the next sport deemed by the POSOTUS to be too dangerous.(yes Virginia...Sarc.)


6 posted on 05/31/2014 5:35:47 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Sacajaweau
These spelling run offs have become ridiculous. So you can spell odd and useless words. Big whoop....Go outside and play.

spelling at this level is about a whole lot more than just spelling….the etymologies, histories of the word, and so on, require and inspire a whole lot of other more useful knowledge than spelling. It also requires on the spot detective work…the way the kids question the moderator on the word. It's much more than a living breathing spellcheck.

7 posted on 05/31/2014 5:37:44 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: Sacajaweau
go outside and play

That's why I like the tie in a situation such as this. The contest planners wrote a reasonable list of what they believed would for sure determine a winner. Both contestants exceeded expectations.

The tie in a case sends that message....they've mastered this, move on.

8 posted on 05/31/2014 5:38:32 AM PDT by grania
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To: Dave346

Can you spell “there are bigger fish to fry”?


9 posted on 05/31/2014 5:38:52 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Dave346

It’s been 52 years since this happened last, and the author is all upset over it? Give me a break.


10 posted on 05/31/2014 5:43:14 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (America for Americans first!)
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To: Dave346

If you HAVE to do something, give them each the same word, and whoever correctly spells it the fastest wins.


11 posted on 05/31/2014 5:44:56 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: C. Edmund Wright

When I played little league in the 70s we had a 10 run rule. If one team got to 10 runs ahead of the other team it ended the game. The games were for fun and there was simply no point in humiliating the other team.


12 posted on 05/31/2014 5:46:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Quite right!


13 posted on 05/31/2014 5:49:18 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I’m aware. But it’s only one little pocket of learning....pushed to the highest power....and therefore ridiculous. The knowledge is unusable.


14 posted on 05/31/2014 5:49:50 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: NCLaw441

Instead of asking questions, the speller should have to use it in a sentence....and it should be part of a 100 word paragraph.


15 posted on 05/31/2014 5:51:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: CitizenUSA

My thought, too. The boys may think it’s pretty cool that they tied since its such a rarity!


16 posted on 05/31/2014 5:53:29 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: Sacajaweau
I’m aware. But it’s only one little pocket of learning....pushed to the highest power....and therefore ridiculous. The knowledge is unusable.

With due respect, you are not aware, or not aware of the point I was making. I used to sort of think like you did about this, until I watched some of it. It's a LOT LOT LOT more and one little pocket of learning. Did you totally not comprehend what I said about etymology and history and - other languages I might add? Did you miss the point of operating cooly and thinking clearly under pressure? What planet do you live on where none of this us "usable???"

17 posted on 05/31/2014 5:54:04 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: Sacajaweau

Wow dude, you are clueless on this, and obviously have never seen one of these things. By the time they take apart the word in their questioning, they could write many paragraphs with the word.

You got your attitude on this morning and you just refuse to learn. No wonder you resent these folks.


18 posted on 05/31/2014 5:55:13 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: Dave346

What kind of school did they attend? Public, private, homeschool?


19 posted on 05/31/2014 5:55:30 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Dave346

I demand affirmative action in spelling bees. They are clearly racist.


20 posted on 05/31/2014 5:56:17 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: stars & stripes forever

In the past decade or so, it seems like homeshoolers have dominated this. Or at least done extremely well.

I do not know about either of these two winners this year.


21 posted on 05/31/2014 5:59:21 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“I do not know about either of these two winners this year”

If they were from a public school, the media would be all over it. They must be homeschooled or attend private schools. Obviously they aren’t the products of Common Core.


22 posted on 05/31/2014 6:02:47 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Dave346

Spelling bees would be much more interesting with actual bees involved. Lock the two finalists in a transparent box and see how well the spell augenphilologie while being stung. :-)


23 posted on 05/31/2014 6:02:52 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: stars & stripes forever

The young man from Fort Worth attends a private Christian school.


24 posted on 05/31/2014 6:03:05 AM PDT by writmeister
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To: stars & stripes forever

Can you imagine a common core spelling bee? It would go on forever….they’d never tell anyone they were wrong!


25 posted on 05/31/2014 6:05:50 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: Dave346
Well I think that bow ties should be eliminated in all cases so eliminating ties in the spelling bee would be a step in the right direction
26 posted on 05/31/2014 6:06:13 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment sust till stands?)
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To: Dave346

Ironically spelling bees seem to be very much about “Augenphilologie.”

I’d suggest a counterpart, a pronunciation bee, stressing Ohrenphilologie. The contestant sees the word spelled out (or if blind, has it spelled out to him). He must say it correctly.


27 posted on 05/31/2014 6:10:56 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Dave346

It’s a dull child that can spell a word only one way.


28 posted on 05/31/2014 6:11:51 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“They’d never tell anyone they were wrong!”

After 25 rounds they all would be declared ‘winners.’


29 posted on 05/31/2014 6:12:43 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Eccl 10:2

The English language is like a sponge. It hardly cares what it soaks up.


30 posted on 05/31/2014 6:13:00 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: NCLaw441

Have them try spelling each other’s names.


31 posted on 05/31/2014 6:13:46 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: Eccl 10:2; StarsandStripesFOREVER
It’s a dull child that can spell a word only one way.
32 posted on 05/31/2014 6:24:15 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I'm a Contra" -- President Ronald Reagan)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I wonder if anyone has done any research on these winners of the national spelling bee years later. I’d be curious to see what they’re doing by the time they reach the age of, say, 30-40.


33 posted on 05/31/2014 6:37:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

National Bee contestants can only arise where there is a presence of a Scripps-Howard newspaper. I knew this as a kid who was spelling well enough to have a hope in the Bee many moons ago, but my local city papers weren’t part of that network.


34 posted on 05/31/2014 6:49:15 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Dave346

One tie every 52 years doesn’t sound like a crisis to me.


35 posted on 05/31/2014 6:56:28 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Alberta's Child
I wonder if anyone has done any research on these winners of the national spelling bee years later. I’d be curious to see what they’re doing by the time they reach the age of, say, 30-40.

According to these, most of them do quite well, many of them going into the sciences, medicine, engineering and law.

What do spelling-bee winners do when they grow up?

WHERE ARE THEY NOW? Past Spelling Bee Champions

FWIW, one of my great nieces got all the way to the state spelling bee finals I think when she was in the 6th grade. And she wasn’t really all that into the whole spelling bee thing, it just came naturally to her. But then this was the kid who was reading at a HS if not college level by the time she was in the 4th grade. She has been a National Honors Society student every year since she was eligible, was awarded two Presidential Academic awards, has made the dean’s list every year since she started college. She’s graduating this fall and plans to get started right away on her masters, she is a history and education major and plans to go into teaching, eventually on the professorship level, but her long term goal is to eventually get a job as a history museum curator. And I have no doubt she will accomplish whatever she sets her sights on.

36 posted on 05/31/2014 7:13:48 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: Dr. Sivana

LOL.

FUHGEDDABOUDIT !!!


37 posted on 05/31/2014 7:16:12 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Vaquero
they should be required to wear appropriate helmet and shoulder pads

Yes, and if there is still a tie at the end, then they do a no holds barred cage match to determine the winner.

38 posted on 05/31/2014 10:38:44 AM PDT by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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