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A litany of 'thou shalt nots': Catholic teachers challenge morality clause
CNN ^ | May 31, 2014 | Susan Candiotti and Chris Welch

Posted on 05/31/2014 1:59:14 PM PDT by yongin

If you want to teach at a Catholic school in the Archdiocese of Cincinnati, regardless of your religion, you must be willing to sign a detailed morality clause that critics say focuses on "pelvic issues."

The revised contracts forbid teachers from -- among other things -- living together or having sex outside of marriage, using in-vitro fertilization, a gay "lifestyle," or publicly supporting any of those things.

The system's 2,200 current teachers must sign the agreement to stay on the job.

"It is an embarrassment and a scandal, and will drive even more Catholics away from an institution so out of touch with its times," said Robert Hague, a high school English teacher for 50 years.

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Teacher to boss: 'Have you no shame?'

He's leaving his job rather than sign because he's opposed to "the language, the intent, and the tone of this contract," he says.

The revised morality clause goes beyond more general standard language requiring teachers -- Catholic or not -- to adhere to Catholic doctrine.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Ohio
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1 posted on 05/31/2014 1:59:14 PM PDT by yongin
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To: yongin

They don’t sound very Catholic to me, these headline writers can’t get anything right


2 posted on 05/31/2014 2:00:17 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: yongin

I find it odd that so many Catholic high schools have it right when it comes to these types of moral issues.

But the Catholic colleges and universities? They can be as sick and pervserse as any state or public school.


3 posted on 05/31/2014 2:03:21 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The saga over the Cincy Catholic teacher contracts is making national news now.


4 posted on 05/31/2014 2:06:48 PM PDT by yongin
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To: yongin
an institution so out of touch with its times,"

Yeah, c'mon, sexual morality is so old-fashioned.

5 posted on 05/31/2014 2:06:52 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: yongin
said Robert Hague, a high school English teacher for 50 years.

He's leaving his job rather than sign because he's opposed to "the language,
the intent, and the tone of this contract," 

Actually, he's leaving his job because he has to pee every 20 minutes.

6 posted on 05/31/2014 2:08:28 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: yongin; Morgana

“It is an embarrassment and a scandal”

Phony scandals PING!


7 posted on 05/31/2014 2:09:12 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: yongin; dcwusmc; Jed Eckert; Recovering Ex-hippie; KingOfVagabonds; Berlin_Freeper; UnRuley1; ...
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8 posted on 05/31/2014 2:09:47 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
From Rudyard Kipling, nearly a century ago:

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

9 posted on 05/31/2014 2:21:43 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: yongin

You’re Fired!


10 posted on 05/31/2014 2:29:54 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: ConservingFreedom

So lose touch with your paycheck. Problem solved.


11 posted on 05/31/2014 3:01:06 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: yongin
"will drive even more Catholics away from an institution so out of touch with its times"

Translation: it will drive phony Catholics out of the Church.
12 posted on 05/31/2014 3:13:40 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Jeff Chandler

Good riddance, Robert Hague. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.


13 posted on 05/31/2014 3:15:06 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: a fool in paradise; Chode

See this is what happens when you don’t have nuns, and just any old yahoo teaching in Catholic schools.


14 posted on 05/31/2014 3:15:47 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana
Oh, there are plenty of old yahoos among the nuns as well.

:o(

15 posted on 05/31/2014 3:28:29 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: yongin

“”It is an embarrassment and a scandal, and will drive even more Catholics away from an institution so out of touch with its times,” said Robert Hague, a high school English teacher for 50 years.”

Why does this idiot English teacher think Catholic parents send their kids to Catholic School in the first place? To learn about how to sin against their religion?

If they closed all the Catholic schools, his school tax would skyrocket. And he would find some way to blame the Catholic schools. Idiot!


16 posted on 05/31/2014 3:34:42 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM HEAVEN WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: lastchance

I guess compromising your principles does have a price.


17 posted on 05/31/2014 3:48:32 PM PDT by Autonomous User
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To: yongin

What part of “Catholic school” didn’t you understand?


18 posted on 05/31/2014 3:51:07 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: yongin

As the alum of a Protestant junior-senior high, I’d reply, no, you want the archdiocese to pay you to be a public-school teacher. And the archdiocese should have the right, as should my alma mater and its affiliated grade school, to tell you that if you want to be held to public-school morals clauses, go look for work in public schools.


19 posted on 05/31/2014 4:06:48 PM PDT by RichInOC (...your newest purveyor of wit, laughter and the Popish creed.)
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To: yongin
I checked it out: 1770 words, and they couldn't find one parent or teacher that supported the policy? They couldn't wedge in one direct quote from a diocesan or parochial-school official? They couldn't even bring themselves to mention, by name, the man who is pastorally responsible for this policy, Archbishop Dennis M. Schnurr?

This is reporting?

I hope for two things right off the bat: I hope Archbishop Schnurr will stick to his guns, put up his dukes, and in mixed-martial-metaphorical style batten dow the hatches and stick with his policy.

I also hope he will find many "teachable moments" in which he can direct, guide, and catechize his flock and the community at large.

Another obvious proof tht we are decades behind on that.

20 posted on 05/31/2014 4:20:02 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (“The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” - Flannery O'Connor)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Decades or more.


21 posted on 05/31/2014 4:22:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it." - Flannery O'Connor)
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To: yongin

The first tier scoundrels will leave immediately, and the second tier scoundrels will be found out and dismissed; but the end result will be a much better and stronger institution.

However, in “version 2” of the morality clause should include an agreement that if found in variance, they agree to forfeit “tenure and any and all accrued benefits”, as well as a binding arbitration clause if they challenge their dismissal. With the arbitrator appointed by the bishop of that diocese.


22 posted on 05/31/2014 4:26:57 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: yongin
He's leaving his job rather than sign because he's opposed to "the language, the intent, and the tone of this contract,"

I can't decide if I should curse or pray for this guy.The one thing I *won't* do is agree with him.

23 posted on 05/31/2014 4:50:31 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: GeronL; yongin

I live an hour or so from Cincy, and there is no outcry around here about the Catholic schools wanting to be Catholic.

And in order to forbid things, you pretty much have to list what you don’t want. A long list of what you do want isn’t helpful at all in controlling behavior you do not want.

Every behavior the Catholics do NOT want is a behavior that is contrary to Catholic teaching.

That should not be an “aha” moment.


24 posted on 05/31/2014 5:08:26 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Morgana
drama...
25 posted on 05/31/2014 5:33:08 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: xzins

this year’s gay pride in cincy is going to be a protest against the teacher contracts. the media is trying to put public pressure to change with the times.


26 posted on 05/31/2014 5:41:19 PM PDT by yongin
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To: Autonomous User

I think the problem is that these objectors are unprincipled.


27 posted on 05/31/2014 5:51:49 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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28 posted on 05/31/2014 6:41:45 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: yongin

“regardless of your religion”

It’s such an obvious question - “regardless of your religion” - if you’re not Catholic, why would you want to teach at a Catholic school? Makes no sense.


29 posted on 05/31/2014 6:52:50 PM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: Responsibility2nd

“But the Catholic colleges and universities? They can be as sick and pervserse as any state or public school.”

How about the headquarters themselves? The ones where molesters were shuffled around and such; I applaud the diocese for doing this, but they’d best make sure their own house (offices) are in order...


30 posted on 05/31/2014 7:59:09 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kitkat

“Why does this idiot English teacher think Catholic parents send their kids to Catholic School in the first place? To learn about how to sin against their religion?”

Many parents (Catholic or not) use Catholic schools just to avoid the public schools; too often the parents themselves aren’t in it for the religion itself. Here in NJ our Catholic school system was destroyed because the Church didn;t seem that interested in saving them with pushing for vouchers or something similar (our public school taxes make it practically to afford any private school). They focused on some urban efforts (in which many students weren;t Catholic anyway), but left the suburban Catholic populations on their own.

I asked an older friend of mine who is an avid Bingo player why her parish still ran it (usually a means of subsidizing a school) if their school closed a few years ago; she had no idea what they were using the money for at this point.

These recent news stories about the falling percentage of Hispanics that belong to the Catholic Church is related to this as well; Catholic education would inspire members to keep the faith as they got older, but when the schools were closed and the priests were just asking Hispanic families for money to support the priests in the rectory I guess some just walked away...


31 posted on 05/31/2014 8:11:26 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

My experience in the Catholic Church is that the Hispanics give little money to the Church. The Bishops must be impressed with the piety of the few.


32 posted on 05/31/2014 9:58:48 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: yongin

“It is an embarrassment and a scandal, and will drive even more Catholics away from an institution so out of touch with its times,” said Robert Hague, a high school English teacher for 50 years.

Seems a little strange that anyone could be outraged that teaching in a Catholic school requires being a Catholic.


33 posted on 06/01/2014 12:51:47 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: yongin

God’s people are not supposed to follow the whims of the cultures. They are to be true to God, true to the revealed Word, true to the history and tradition of the Church.

No matter which phony Christian church proclaims homosexuality to be ok, they are still speaking lies, and they have not changed God’s eternal Word which is so clear on the subject that it makes their deception obvious.


34 posted on 06/01/2014 3:00:08 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: pleasenotcalifornia

“My experience in the Catholic Church is that the Hispanics give little money to the Church. The Bishops must be impressed with the piety of the few.”

I;ve heard a couple of explanations for that; one was that they come from countries where the clergy is subsidized by the government (though I don’t believe that has been true for some time). More likely is that since they’ve been brought here to replace our black underclass, they simply don’t have the means anyway.


35 posted on 06/01/2014 4:09:24 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: yongin

“we’re all being asked to act out of fear because the lawyers have taken over,” Rosen added.

Nonsense. You’re being required to make a choice: conform to the standards of your employer, or seek other employment.

It is really creepy that you would use the word “fear” to describe your feelings at confronting morality, though.


36 posted on 06/03/2014 12:14:13 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Because, not to excuse, the colleges are institutionalized extensions of liberalism — the local schools have managed to sidestep the infestation.


37 posted on 06/03/2014 12:23:29 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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