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Economist finds EPA analysis of water rule flawed
American Farm Bureau Federation ^ | May 29, 2014

Posted on 05/31/2014 2:17:10 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The EPA's proposed Clean Water Act rule is rife with errors, lacks transparency and would greatly expand strict federal control over land that was previously not regulated by the federal government, according to a report by economist and University of California-Berkley faculty member David Sunding, Ph.D.

The proposed EPA rule represents an expansion of the “Waters of the United States” to include waters such as small, isolated wetlands, ephemeral drains and many ditches. In the proposed rule’s economic analysis, the EPA systematically underestimated the impact on affected communities and businesses, according to the report.

Sunding has concluded that the errors in the EPA’s analysis are so extensive as to render it useless for determining the true costs of this proposed rule. His report underscores the need for EPA to withdraw the rule and complete a comprehensive and transparent economic review.

(Excerpt) Read more at agprofessional.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: epa; tyranny; water
Only the EPA would regulate a ditch as a "waterway".
1 posted on 05/31/2014 2:17:10 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"The EPA's proposed Clean Water Act rule is rife with errors, lacks transparency and would greatly expand strict federal control over land that was previously not regulated by the federal government...

That is the actual intent.

'It is a feature, not a bug.'

2 posted on 05/31/2014 2:20:27 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Or my back yard, which will have a day or two of waterloggedness after 3 or 4 inches of rain.


3 posted on 05/31/2014 2:21:13 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The EPA's proposed Clean Water Act rule is rife with errors, lacks transparency and would greatly expand strict federal control over land that was previously not regulated by the federal government, according to a report by economist and University of California-Berkley faculty member David Sunding, Ph.D. The proposed EPA rule represents an expansion of the “Waters of the United States” to include waters such as small, isolated wetlands, ephemeral drains and many ditches. In the proposed rule’s economic analysis, the EPA systematically underestimated the impact on affected communities and businesses, according to the report.

Let's start with a simple but oft times ignored fact. The EPA is unconstitutional!

4 posted on 05/31/2014 2:22:32 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: GreyFriar

Precisely. The gov is all about taxing our use of rain, sunshine and air.


5 posted on 05/31/2014 2:23:58 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The EPA should be defunded and if we get the Senate they should be disbanded. This bunch of idiots are insane and all from top to bottom should be unemployed. Some form of protection is needed but not so intrusive.
6 posted on 05/31/2014 2:30:54 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Louis Foxwell

And here in Maryland the state legislature instituted a “rain tax” on all property to pay for the “run off” caused by the house roof, drive way and any out buildings that prevent the water from soaking into the ground. The tax money us being used, supposedly, “to save the bay.”


7 posted on 05/31/2014 2:36:43 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

EPA is king of the fourth branch of government.


8 posted on 05/31/2014 2:37:45 PM PDT by umgud
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9 posted on 05/31/2014 2:37:59 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Logical me

Seconded

But we both know that the Republikrats don’t have the nads to do any such thing.


10 posted on 05/31/2014 2:40:23 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

According to the EPA that puddle of piss I left in the desert the last time I went hunting is considered an ephemeral wetland.


11 posted on 05/31/2014 2:53:23 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine
Let's start with a simple but oft times ignored fact. The EPA is unconstitutional!

The EPA being disbanded for unconstitutionality stands about the same chance as stopping the War on Drugs or abolishing the ATF or the NSA and its domestic espionage.
And all for the same reason: those in power are disinclined to relinquish it.

12 posted on 05/31/2014 3:04:36 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: GreyFriar

“Or my back yard, which will have a day or two of waterloggedness after 3 or 4 inches of rain.”

Good thing you didn’t use a ‘sarc’ tag.

Mayor Bloomberg of NY once, after much effort, tracked down a large leak in on of NY’s water tunnels. When he tried to rectify the massive waste of water the EPA said ‘No, it’s a wetland now and subject to EPA rules. Bloomberg actually backed down rather than laugh in their faces and fix the damn leak! True story.


13 posted on 05/31/2014 3:19:46 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: TalBlack; neverdem

A famous legacy of an actual case in the upper SanFrancisco bay south of Napa, CA. Farmer had a set of dikes made in the late 1890’s ... The fields were dry, were productive for decades.

The dike broke, the area was flooded at high tide one night. Magically, they became “wetlands” and he could not fix the dike.


14 posted on 05/31/2014 3:31:05 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

“The EPA is unconstitutional! “

I agree. However, you probably won’t see an effort to get rid of it on those grounds. So much of what has happened since the introduction of the Federal Reserve has been unconstitutional that if you took that as the criteria to eliminate government organization practically everything done in twentieth century wound be undone. While you might get a majority to say this or that is unconstitutional it opens up the entirety of the mess to a level of scrutiny that would bring every special interest in the world into play. Congress Critters would quickly trade votes to protect their sacred cows so that, in the end, not one would be slaughtered.

It’s probably best to attack the EPA for overstepping their bounds and becoming, in effect a fourth branch of government.


15 posted on 05/31/2014 3:43:19 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

EPA hereby claims all New Jersey as wetlands.


16 posted on 05/31/2014 4:06:37 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
On a railroad rehab project I am working on in NY State, the NY Department of Environmental Conservation has deemed this bridge a "permit required" work location as according to them, it spans a "Navigable Waterway":

There have been screaming matches between one of the project managers and the Environmental Science girl in the office who LOVES these sort of things as it is more hours for her to put against a lump sum job.

The problem is lack of balls to tell the DEC to go F themselves... as railroad maintenance is already regulated by the Federal Railroad Administration... and if a ditch is plugged it is a violation of 49 CFR §213... so you maintain the ditch because "Interstate Commerce is at Stake".

17 posted on 05/31/2014 4:09:27 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Only the EPA would regulate a ditch as a "waterway".

Then the EPA will need to hire an agent to watch over and file monthly reports on each and every puddle, ditch, soggy field. Billions of EPA agents standing over ditches, 24/7/365.

18 posted on 05/31/2014 4:27:58 PM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: TalBlack
“Or my back yard, which will have a day or two of waterloggedness after 3 or 4 inches of rain.”

But the next step is the water table. All the land above any water that MIGHT be underground is now federally regulated. Water is water. Just because it lays underground 40 feet doesn't make it less than water.

19 posted on 05/31/2014 4:32:41 PM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: OneWingedShark; Gen.Blather
"The EPA being disbanded for unconstitutionality stands about the same chance as stopping the War on Drugs or abolishing the ATF or the NSA and its domestic espionage. And all for the same reason: those in power are disinclined to relinquish it. "

I think we all agree, but let me suggest something that we may not all agree on. I am convinced that nothing will change until those in power have more fear of their ultimate meeting with Christ, Hebrews 9:27, than they love money, power and having sex with 7 to 11 year olds.

20 posted on 05/31/2014 5:00:19 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: Gen.Blather

>>While you might get a majority to say this or that is unconstitutional it opens up the entirety of the mess to a level of scrutiny that would bring every special interest in the world into play. <<

BINGO!


21 posted on 05/31/2014 5:52:19 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Logical me; All
This bunch of idiots are insane...

No so.

They're the first line troops for Agenda 21 - BMI is another - they are tasked with getting control over every inch of land and water in the country..and they've been preforming far more efficiently than most any other gov't agency you can name

22 posted on 05/31/2014 8:57:36 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Only the EPA would regulate a ditch as a "waterway".

This is nothing new. When I first started working as an adult, this was a constant struggle against federal bureaucracies and blatant overreach. These ditches were declared "navigable waters, with a straight face. By the Corps (corpse?) of engineers.

The purpose was totally transparent, the attempt expanded to absurd lengths until they tried to declare winter puddles and farm/ranch dug water holes off limits for private use. Eventually there even didn't have to be water there for more than a few weeks. If water related plants grew there even "ephemerally," the private ownership was compromised.

Thus the Supreme Court had to slap down the abuse, almost entirely exercised by lifetime career bureaucrats, eventually. Several times.

Almost every agency of the Federal government now, primarily after the EPA and it's multiple daughters were hatched and enforced, have had their shot at grabbing jurisdiction of all waters, nationwide wherever they are. I'm not sure about the Interstate Commerce thing...

23 posted on 05/31/2014 10:13:39 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: maine-iac7
BMI is another

What does "Body Mass Index" have to do with the topic?

24 posted on 05/31/2014 10:22:15 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: publius911

OOPS! ‘meant BLM -

I’m too old for all these acronyms :)


25 posted on 06/01/2014 6:46:27 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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