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The War on Coal? Wyoming's future is at stake in the debate on coal
Wyoming Star-Tribune ^ | May 31, 2014 | By BENJAMIN STORROW

Posted on 05/31/2014 6:33:13 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

There is little doubt among the students in Brandon Cone’s engineering class at Campbell County High School that a war is being waged against coal. The children of the mechanics who fix the mines’ great diesel trucks, the welders who staff their machine shops and the railroad employees who see the final product shipped across the country and beyond have obvious pride in the local industry.

“We power a lot of the country just from Gillette,” said Corey Silver, a junior whose father works at the Cordero Rojo mine, a comment widely echoed by his peers.

The students’ pride in the coal industry is matched only by their frustration with its critics. Coal, in their view, is misunderstood. It is not as dirty as its opponents make it out to be.

“It’s really actually clean,” explained Silver’s classmate Tanner Luthy. “There are so many filters on it. By the time any of the harmful, or what could be harmful gases, reach the atmosphere they are so little or so diluted it doesn’t even matter.”

And climate change, to the extent it exists, is a natural process, they say.

(Excerpt) Read more at trib.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: climatechange; coal; energy; green; obamanomics; waroncoal

1 posted on 05/31/2014 6:33:14 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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2 posted on 05/31/2014 6:35:12 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: musicman

Like a scary novel.


3 posted on 05/31/2014 6:43:35 PM PDT by FreeperCell
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To: FreeperCell

Yep!!


4 posted on 05/31/2014 6:45:21 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: FreeperCell

Like Ellis Wyatt and his Wyoming oil fields in “Atlas Shrugged”.


5 posted on 05/31/2014 6:45:48 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The War on Coal seems bleak. The warriors include all envirowhacko’s, the prez, most democrats, academia, the EPA and the MSM, etc.


6 posted on 05/31/2014 6:48:36 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The bad news for the fellows in this article is that the Obama administration is waging a war on coal here in the U.S.

The good news is that China, India, and other countries with something like 60% of the world's population isn't held to any standards when it comes to the burning of fossil fuels.

The really good news is that all of these countries are building coal-fired power plants like there's no tomorrow.

The really, really good news is that U.S. coal mines are shipping a lot of coal overseas to these countries so they can burn coal in their new plants ... since the coal that they burn there apparently doesn't cause global warming climate change.

7 posted on 05/31/2014 6:50:44 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

Being the cynical person that I am, it is my firm belief that the real story behind trying to shut down American coal companies is so China can buy up all the assets cheap.

China would love to have the relatively cheap and clean coal that is American coals instead of having to use their third-rate dirty coal.


8 posted on 05/31/2014 7:04:54 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Coal production in India:


Coal production in China:

9 posted on 05/31/2014 7:06:39 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Wyo. needs to send two local Ted Cruz types to the Senate.


10 posted on 05/31/2014 7:11:14 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: FreeperCell

do we all understand that there is a war on the working people of this country?.....that we should have voted Romney and we all had better think hard about not voting for the pub this year or any year.....they ain’t saints but they ain’t satans either....


11 posted on 05/31/2014 7:18:44 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Obama suggests his upcoming rule on coal plants will avert long-term health crisis
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3162261/posts


12 posted on 05/31/2014 7:31:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: cherry
I will vote for any pro-life, pro-gun, anti socialized medicine, anti-amnesty, smaller government candidate.

If the republicans happen to run a candidate like that, they can have my vote.

If they don't, I won't.

/johnny

13 posted on 05/31/2014 8:08:14 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I call BS! Show me the data.


14 posted on 05/31/2014 8:32:35 PM PDT by rhubarbk (It's official, I'm suffering from Obama fatigue!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
In a May news conference, Gov. Matt Mead declared coal’s troubles a “concern,” saying he worried the industry’s woes could negatively affect the state’s budget. The governor has involved Wyoming in a dozen lawsuits against the EPA during his tenure, many concerning air pollution at coal-fired power plants.

“I do think there is a war on coal” Mead said.

The Obama administration, for its part, says there is no such war. “Coal is part of the energy mix today, and it will be for decades into the future,” EPA administrator Gina McCarthy told Basin Electric Power Cooperative employees during a February visit to the company’s Synfuels plant in Beulah, North Dakota.

I'm relieved. The Obama administration assures me there's no war on coal. Thank goodness my electric rates aren't going to "necessarily skyrocket."

I'm also smug and happy with the Obama assurances that I can keep my doc, my deductible, my premiums, and my insurance company.

15 posted on 05/31/2014 8:58:59 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
A coal-fired plant's CO2 emissions are approximately double that of a gas-fired plant. Sequestration/capture is very expensive, as the article points out. However, CO2 is just a global warming issue, which we agree is a red herring. A modern coal plant removes the harmful gases and particulates from the flue gas: N2, H2O, O2, NOx, SOx and fly ash. CO2 sequestration/capture has no environmental value and no economic value other than for petroleum extraction. I have been unable to find data on the cost per MW of capacity of a new coal-fired plant that removes these gases and particulates, but does not sequester/capture CO2.

Absent the global warming scare about CO2, a new coal-fired plant, which removes all emissions harmful to health, has a lower cost per KWH of output than a new gas-fired plant.

There is therefore no rationale for the about-to-be-proposed EPA regulations. If implemented, they should be removed by a future Republican administration.

16 posted on 05/31/2014 9:32:01 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: Kennard; ckilmer

btt


17 posted on 05/31/2014 9:38:20 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Wyoming’s a red state. To this administration, what difference does it make?


18 posted on 05/31/2014 10:11:34 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: AZLiberty

http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/capitalcost/


19 posted on 05/31/2014 10:23:49 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Wyoming has the best type coal; much of it is radioactive.


20 posted on 05/31/2014 10:27:34 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: AZLiberty
Wyoming is a white, rural state with two republican senators. There is not much diversity and the people busy themselves making a living and producing more goods and services than they can consume themselves.

Obama wishes such places, and the people in them, would simply disappear. Barring that, he will strangle them economically.

21 posted on 06/01/2014 3:32:58 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Kennard

That might be difficult to do.


22 posted on 06/01/2014 5:09:10 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Good analogy.

Small point: I recall that the Ellis oil fields were in Colorado.


23 posted on 06/01/2014 6:10:37 AM PDT by neocon1984
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To: neocon1984

Yeah, I know: I fudged that part.


24 posted on 06/01/2014 6:11:51 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Then Wyoming had just as well get ready for a big change because there are not enough people there to matter.

The strategy goes on. Target small groups that can’t defend themselves.


25 posted on 06/01/2014 7:50:17 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The Obama administration assures me there’s no war on coal. Thank goodness my electric rates aren’t going to “necessarily skyrocket.” Well,I’m not at all relieved because I recall that at sometime in the past,Mr. Obama did specifically say something about electrical rates “necessarily”skyrocketing. Mine certainly have not gone down. I’m so very tired of all this crap about CO2,which is not a pollutant,but plant food. If this is the main complaint about the use of coal,then there is,essentially,no viable problem with it.


26 posted on 06/01/2014 9:03:13 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: oldtech

That was tongue-in-cheek snark on my part.

Of course there’s a HUGE war on coal. These freakin’ “best and brightest” idiots know what’s best for everything in the world and know precisely how you should live your life — from how your electricity is made to the type of car you drive to the education you get to where you live to the very food you eat and the medical care you are allowed to get. God Damn communism, every bit of it.

I worked in the energy industry about 25 years and, in the end, could no longer stand the politicization of the business and the weak-spined utility execs who couldn’t say “No” the the enviro-freaks. I suffered personally from the war on all types of energy.


27 posted on 06/01/2014 9:22:42 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If I had to hazard a guess, I’d say that the families of the children of the mechanics who fix the mines’ great diesel trucks, the welders who staff their machine shops and the railroad employees who see the final product shipped across the country and beyond all vote Democrat.


28 posted on 06/01/2014 12:28:40 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Shoot cops that shoot dogs.)
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