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Conservative Senator Kicks Tea Party to the Curb
thedailybeast.com ^ | 5/31/14 | David Freedlander

Posted on 06/01/2014 5:32:19 AM PDT by cotton1706

At the Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans this week, Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson tried to distance himself from the Tea Party groups that helped elect him in 2010.

If Ron Johnson was running any faster from the Tea Party he'd leave skid marks.

Back in 2010, the Wisconsin senator was one of the Tea Party’s first candidates. His upset victory over incumbent Democrat Russ Feingold in that deep purple swing state was seen as proof that a new brand of conservatism was on the march.

But Johnson, a businessman and political novice when he was first elected, told reporters at a gathering of grassroots conservatives activists in New Orleans this week that it may be time for that march to slow down.

“I think the conservative movement may just be maturing a little bit. You can be very doctrinaire, you can demand purity, but in the end if you want to advance policy that you want enacted you have to win elections,” Johnson said when asked about a recent spate of Tea Party losses around the country.

The Wisconsin Republican blamed national and local Tea Party groups for holding the GOP hostage. “My guess is that the Tea Party groups have always been separate from the Tea Party movement.”

Johnson burst onto the national scene after given a number of fiery speeches at Tea Party rallies before he was even a candidate, and told a reporter that he “did kind of spring out of the Tea Party.”

At the Republican Leadership Conference however, Johnson downplayed his involvement with the movement, saying, “I gave a speech at a few Tea Parties. I never joined a group.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 2014midterms; elections; teaparty; wi2014
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Yup, Mitch McConnell pulled Johnson into the leadership, co-opting him as Trent Lott recommended. And now he's a sellout like Kelly Ayotte.

It's getting to the point where we should just turn these people out of office after a single term.

1 posted on 06/01/2014 5:32:19 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Johnson a conservative senator? hahahahahha. The guy is a lib opportunist. He’s the male version of Kelly Ayotte.


2 posted on 06/01/2014 5:34:58 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: cotton1706; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ...

Sen. Ron Johnson distances himself from Tea Party. I’m hoping that this is a misunderstanding.

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


3 posted on 06/01/2014 5:37:06 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: cotton1706
You can be very doctrinaire, you can demand purity, but in the end if you want to advance policy that you want enacted you have to win elections,

I hate the new establishment talking points. They're very nazi-esque.
4 posted on 06/01/2014 5:38:26 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: cotton1706
you can demand purity,

Purity = 'We don't kill babies'.

Willingness to compromise = 'It's ok to kill babies.

/johnny

5 posted on 06/01/2014 5:38:28 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cotton1706

Dare I say............

“THIRD PARTY??”


6 posted on 06/01/2014 5:38:44 AM PDT by Flintlock (islam is a LIE; mowhommod was a MOLESTER CRIMINAL; sharia is POISON.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

We tried warning people. Maybe not that they are having their noses rubbed in it like bad puppies they MIGHT par more attention.


7 posted on 06/01/2014 5:40:22 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: cotton1706
“I gave a speech at a few Tea Parties. I never joined a group.”

Beep, beep, beep.
8 posted on 06/01/2014 5:40:34 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

GMTA


9 posted on 06/01/2014 5:41:55 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Viennacon

Johnson is the most conservative elected official from Wisconsin in a generation……but go ahead, and believe the Daily Beast if you want to. Part of the coordinated media assualt on the TP/Estab divide in the GOP.


10 posted on 06/01/2014 5:42:09 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: Flintlock

Dare I say……sucker for Daily Beast propoganda? YOU.


11 posted on 06/01/2014 5:42:54 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: andyk

“You can be very doctrinaire, you can demand purity”

This language is pure nonsense. Because the Establishment wants the US Senate to be PURELY MODERATE, NO CONSERVATIVES NEED APPLY.

They were for “purity” when they undermined conservative candidates who won their party’s nominations. They were for “purity” when they encouraged Lisa Murkowski to make an independent run to retain her seat. They were for “purity” when they supported traitors like Jim Jeffords, Arlen Specter, Charlie Crist and Lincoln Chafee.

They don’t want their precious US Senate changed. They want it to remain “pure.” And men like Jim DeMint, Ted Cruz and Mike Lee are hated because they refuse to go along.

“Why can’t they be more like Kelly Ayotte and Ron Johnson” they probably seethe in the backrooms of the Senate! “we must do EVERYTHING we can to prevent more of them! Tell Cochran he has to run again so he can retire and we can appoint somebody later!”


12 posted on 06/01/2014 5:46:22 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Yep. I see nothing wrong with his quoted statement either. You can huff and puff about being pure from the sidelines or you can actually get elected and nudge the state of ship in that direction.

He represents Wisconsin, for heaven's sake! The last time that state actually voted for a GOP presidential candidate was in the 1984 Reagan 49 state blowout.

13 posted on 06/01/2014 5:47:02 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: All
Actually the "beat down conservatives" strategy was touted by Republican Chris Christie....as the reason why he won big in a solid Democrat state, outspent by his left-leaning opponent---Dem Corzine had Obama/Biden campaigning for him non-stop.

The same winning strategy was used by the primary winner against Chelsea's MIL, Marjory Margolies (who was embraced by the Clintons).

HERE'S WHAT HE SAID---Brendan Boyle's commercials were running 24/7......where he looks into the camera and says, "I'm pro-choice" as words flashed that he "supports a woman's right to choose."

OTOH, HERE'S WHAT HE DID---Boyle supported legislation requiring doctors in abortion clinic to have hospital privileges, forcing the clinics to meet medical standards....which resulted in closing down many abortionists........those voting on the legislation knew full well that closedowns this would be the effect....... ============================================== Hafta admire the way Boyle handles the issue----legislation forcing the baby killers to close-up shop was pretty darn sharp. So, I don't care what he says----it's what happens when he acts that we'd best look at.

Also significant is that the wild-eyed NARAL did not want Boyle in office.....that tells you a lot, right there.

14 posted on 06/01/2014 5:48:31 AM PDT by Liz
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Johnson is the most conservative elected official from Wisconsin in a generation……

Any normal conservative can see actions show him as just another GOP-er...

Using the line "most conservative elected official from Wisconsin" is propaganda to hide his true colors. He's a sell-out GOP-er. Period!

15 posted on 06/01/2014 5:50:31 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: newfreep

I hate to break it to you….but our problem is not Johnson from wisconsin…it’s Chambliss from Georgia, Graham from Texas, McConnell from Kentucky, Cornyn from Texas, etc.

you can deny deny deny the reality of NH, Mass, Wisconsin all you want, but that’s your own ignroance party.


16 posted on 06/01/2014 5:57:17 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: Vigilanteman

Too many freepers would rather huff and puff from the sidelines as you say, than understand reality. There’s not a single Senator from Wisconsin in our lifetimes who is anywhere close to Johnson.

Now, Cochran from Mississippi? Etc? that’s a diff story….


17 posted on 06/01/2014 5:58:46 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Stay on topic...

..and at least be intellectually honest and describe Johnson as a “moderate”, at best. He is NOT a conservative regardless of being from WI.


18 posted on 06/01/2014 5:59:34 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: newfreep

And yet, you can not name a single Wisconsin office holder as conservative as he is. And don’t say Scott Walker….they are about the same.


19 posted on 06/01/2014 6:01:05 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Thank you.

Would people here prefer the other senator from Wisconsin, Tammy Baldwin?

This circular firing squad for conservatives who are not 100% pure disgusts me.


20 posted on 06/01/2014 6:01:17 AM PDT by neocon1984
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To: cotton1706
"Tea Party! Cleanup in aisle 1."

It is essential that constitutional conservatives police their own. Those who ask the Tea Party to support them better remember who brung 'em to the dance. We can't just put these schlubs into power and then ignore their perfidious actions afterwards. Johnson needs pressure now and an opponent at the first opportunity.

21 posted on 06/01/2014 6:04:24 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: cotton1706

Well....

That approach certainly worked for Scott Brown, in Massachusetts.

The “tea party” activists manned the phones, canvassed the neighborhoods, got out the vote.....and he won.

Then he kicked them to the curb, and armed with his overflowing campaign coffers, and his army of consultants.....he got thrashed by a fake Indian....while the tea partiers stayed home and watched....


22 posted on 06/01/2014 6:04:24 AM PDT by steve in DC
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To: neocon1984

And it’s not just the purity issue…it’s also blithering geographic ignorance. We are never in a million years going to do better from Mass than Brown, Johnson from Wisconsin, etc. We just have to get the House under TP control and get the RINOs out of SC, Ga, Texas, Arizona, Mississippi, Oklahoma, etc, in the Senate.


23 posted on 06/01/2014 6:04:31 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Heck yes. Cochran has a slightly right of center mediocre voting record. A conservative state like Mississippi can do much better.

It saddens me to see solidly conservative states send moderate squishes to represent them. It saddens me even more to see solid conservatives morph into moderate squishes the longer they stay in office.

Orin Hatch is a text book example; solid conservative for his first couple of terms, drifting into squish territory ever since.

I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of legislators who actually got better the longer they stayed in office. Twelve years should be about the limit. If they want to run again, they need to do something else for twelve years before being eligible to do so.

Legislation will get better only after they understand they are going to have to spend some time in the world they legislate.

24 posted on 06/01/2014 6:06:26 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Amen bros…and yes, you are correct - Hatch from Utah is a wasted seat too.


25 posted on 06/01/2014 6:07:34 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: Flintlock
Dare I say...........“THIRD PARTY??”

No, it is pointless

These desertions will happen until we have reached a critical mass in Washington.

A third conservative party would only weaken the Republicans and give elections to the Democrats like happened with Ross Perot’s party that gave us Clinton. A third party also gave us Woodrow Wilson. I don’t see a good trend there.

Like it or not we have a two party republic. What we have to do is work very hard to change the Republican Party to our liking. Surrendering the Republican Party to the establishment Republicans will only hurt our cause.

We must stay the course. We must expose sell outs like Johnson when they turn their back on us. We must continue to back candidates that espouse our values.

Political change does not happen quickly. The abolition movement that created the Republican Party did not happen overnight, it took decades. IN reality the Republican Party in the end was just a renamed Whig Party that adopted the abolitionist platform.

Don’t expect miracles. Don’t be discouraged by sell outs. If they talk down the Tea Party but continue to work for our values, be happy because it is still a success.

Just continue to work hard because it isn’t over and there is a long way to go.

26 posted on 06/01/2014 6:12:24 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: cotton1706
Thanks to certain high profile flame outs that the media exploited, being a tea party candidate in Wisconsin is not the most advantageous position to be in. He does have to win reelection. He just has to be as conservative as possible and opposed amnesty and I will be satisfied. I will not flame friendly Senators.
27 posted on 06/01/2014 6:14:35 AM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is a feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing corksucker.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

http://therightscoop.com/must-listen-mark-levin-vs-sen-ron-johnson-over-obamacare-defund-strategy/


28 posted on 06/01/2014 6:17:07 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: amnestynone

I will not flame friendly Senators.

But it’s ok to flame friendly voters I suppose.


29 posted on 06/01/2014 6:18:16 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: cotton1706
“If you start out bombastic, if you start out with conspiracies, they aren’t going to listen to you.”

Lots of general blather there, but he doesn't provide any specifics he considers to be "bombastic" or "conspiricies", at least nothing specific in the short article.

30 posted on 06/01/2014 6:18:26 AM PDT by Will88
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To: cotton1706

Tea Party/conservatives need to be more discerning regarding politicians who claim either/both: Tea Party supporter and/or conservative.

Too many of these politicians run to the right for election and curve to the left to govern.

It doesn’t take that much effort to do some simple Google searching to find out who/what these people actually are.

Tea Party/conservatives need to stop projecting what THEY want a candidate to be, rather that what the candidate really is.


31 posted on 06/01/2014 6:24:16 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Pontiac
A third conservative party would only weaken the Republicans

I'm ok with that. I'm ok with seeing the republican party destroyed if they don't get conservative.

/johnny

32 posted on 06/01/2014 6:24:56 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: andyk

It isn’t much different that those who start their propaganda posts for their selectee with:

“Nobody is perfect, but ...”

Same tactic, different wording.


33 posted on 06/01/2014 6:26:51 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: C. Edmund Wright
And yet, you can not name a single Wisconsin office holder as conservative as he is. And don’t say Scott Walker….they are about the same.

I'm from PA but support both Walker and Johnson {with money} as well as Lee Bright, Matt Bevin and now Mitch McConnell.

I'm for McDaniel but can live with Cochran and the FReepers that go straight off the rails when any pragmatism is raised will again go nutz, but they are the reason we have obama.

Any one that repeats the old canard that Mitt would be just as bad as obama is full of dog crap.

34 posted on 06/01/2014 6:31:10 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorist savages, everywhere.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I refer you to Post#28

Johnson is NOT a conservative - why can’t you intellectually grasp that factual reality? (/rhetorical)


35 posted on 06/01/2014 6:32:06 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: C. Edmund Wright; Viennacon

They are starting to talk about Russ Feingold running for his old seat. On a day to day basis I’m very happy with Johnson.

Did you see the way he got in Rockefeller’s face at a committee meeting last week?


36 posted on 06/01/2014 6:33:28 AM PDT by sgtyork (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy)
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To: Pontiac

Voting for the same [political party, for example], but expecting a different result is the definition of ___ .

Something has to change or there isn’t going to be much remaining. Another leftist progressive will solidify the fundamental changes the current administration have already made.

GOP-elites push the same progressive agenda, except that they do it at a slower pace. And the GOP-elites like the status quo too much to change things.


37 posted on 06/01/2014 6:34:59 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: USS Alaska
Mitt would be just as bad as obama

Doesn't matter. Mitt was unelectable, as proven by the fact that he didn't get elected.

/johnny

38 posted on 06/01/2014 6:35:59 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: newfreep

Cute advertising, a few speeches, NRA membership and a lot of people become emotionally invested. Too emotionally invested to admit they were wrong when confronted with voting reality.

There’s also inertia and a reluctance to admit how dramatically things have changed. America is a Christian nation, the military and LEOs are good guys. Therefore, just a few more Republicans over a few more elections and things will be back to the way they were. Too bad that’s a pipe dream that’s never coming back.


39 posted on 06/01/2014 6:40:40 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: newfreep

Johnson has fought Obamacare harder than any Republican other than Cruz. He does constant outreach where he pushes for its repeal. Check out where he gets in Rockefeller’s face in committee.

https://news.yahoo.com/video/senators-argue-over-whether-obamacare-160544031-cbs.html

He’s great on spending reductions.

I’m disappointed by his Tea Party statements and will be contacting him about it. But Russ Feingold is waiting in the wings.


40 posted on 06/01/2014 6:44:08 AM PDT by sgtyork (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy)
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To: newfreep

Dude you are waaaaaaaaaay over your head with me debating the TP v the estabs. You just can’t touch the cred.

And I understand that compared to you, to me, to Mark Levin, Johnson is not conserative. But you, me, and Mark Levin do not vote in Wisconsin. Your head is the one that cannot process new info. And again, you have yet to answer my question. Why? Because you CANNOT.


41 posted on 06/01/2014 6:45:26 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: JRandomFreeper

paging J Random..Paging J Random!....please pick up your baby in the puddle of bathwater in the back 40...


42 posted on 06/01/2014 6:46:26 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: M-cubed
Why should I want a liberal party in power? I'm a conservative, not a republican.

The republican party can get conservative, or it can get destroyed.

It wasn't the end of the world when the Whigs got destroyed. It won't be the end of the world when the Republicans get destroyed.

/johnny

43 posted on 06/01/2014 6:48:26 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cotton1706

Not being addressed in this thread is the fact that Johnson had another alternative at the meeting: say nothing on the subject.

Why did he have a need to disparage Tea Party organizations in such general and insulting terms as “bombastic” and “conspiracies” while providing no specific examples of what he meant by those remarks.

He seems to be insulting one group of voters to curry favor with another group. W spent his second term doing just that and how did that work out for the GOP?


44 posted on 06/01/2014 6:58:17 AM PDT by Will88
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To: cotton1706
Either Johnson is an idiot or he intends to cause destruction to the TP by his stupid ass choice of words he supposedly said on the public record. There certainly was a hellova lot more nuanced way to say it than the crude choice of words being attributed to him. Therefore, I conclude he intended to harm the TP. What a way to put down the people who put him in office.
45 posted on 06/01/2014 7:04:35 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: cotton1706

‘But it’s ok to flame friendly voters I suppose.”

This is what really counts

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/192062911.html


46 posted on 06/01/2014 7:08:03 AM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is a feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing corksucker.)
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To: cotton1706; holdonnow

Johnson is a friggin’ traitor.


47 posted on 06/01/2014 7:12:38 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: cotton1706
“I think the conservative movement may just be maturing a little bit. You can be very doctrinaire, you can demand purity, but in the end if you want to advance policy that you want enacted you have to win elections,” Johnson said when asked about a recent spate of Tea Party losses around the country.

Well, Ron Johnson as sure acclimated to the US Senate. You can't buy that arrogance, you earn it in the Club of 100.

Secondly, if you throw you policies under the bus in the campaign, you won't be enacting those policies either. So, what's the point of winning elections to enact Democrat policies.

Third, once again, you have these broad, vague charges with NO details. Which policies are doctrinaire and which are not? It's more like, what Ron Johnson supports is not doctrinaire, while what he opposes is doctrinaire. Really helpful Ron. Moron.

48 posted on 06/01/2014 7:14:14 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
We tried warning people. Maybe not that they are having their noses rubbed in it like bad puppies they MIGHT par more attention.

Yep, remember all the rhetoric about having to work within the GOP system to affect change, rather than forming a true National Conservative Party? Well this is where that strategy has led...not surprisingly.

49 posted on 06/01/2014 7:17:41 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: cotton1706

TERM LIMITS are we EVER going to fight for term limits!!!


50 posted on 06/01/2014 7:20:28 AM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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