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Alabamians Divided on Jefferson Davis Holiday
The Wall Street Journal ^ | une 1, 2014 | IANTHE JEANNE DUGAN

Posted on 06/01/2014 7:51:02 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Alabama state offices will be closed Monday for an annual holiday that some residents celebrate, others would like to eliminate and some just don't understand: Jefferson Davis's birthday.

The Confederacy's first and only president was captured in Georgia in 1865 and accused of treason and helping to plot to kill President Abraham Lincoln. He was imprisoned for two years but never tried, and shortly before his death in 1889, he advised Southerners: "The past is dead; let it bury its dead, its hopes and its aspirations."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: dixie

1 posted on 06/01/2014 7:51:02 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

DEO VINDICE


2 posted on 06/01/2014 7:53:31 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: MinorityRepublican

Friday or Monday.


3 posted on 06/01/2014 7:54:23 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: MinorityRepublican

what percentage of people under age 30, even know who this man was?


4 posted on 06/01/2014 8:00:58 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparisons)
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To: MinorityRepublican

5 posted on 06/01/2014 8:03:53 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: LeoWindhorse

DEO VINDICE


6 posted on 06/01/2014 8:06:18 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Howard Phillips Conservative)
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To: MinorityRepublican
FUWSJ

It's all over but the shouting for the 1st American Republic, it is predictably self destructing due to the imposition of Universal Suffrage.

Honest Ape mortally wounded the Republic when he brutally attacked and murdered the sons of the Founders, the last 150 years has been merely death rattle.


7 posted on 06/01/2014 8:07:51 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: MinorityRepublican

Jeff Davis is looking better the older I get. CW2 is coming and it will not be north-south, nor east-west but red against blue.


8 posted on 06/01/2014 8:20:59 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Rome2000

Where in the heck did that photo come from and who is on his right??????


9 posted on 06/01/2014 8:21:20 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: ExCTCitizen
Jefferson Davis and the Confederacy killed the issue of States Rights forever by inextricably linking it to slavery.

Believe it or not, there were Southerners who realized this at the time. The only abolitionists were not in the North.

Bottom line: just when states need the power of Secession to bring a runaway Federal Government into constitutional line, it isn't available.

OTOH, To this day, one meets Confederate sympathizers who insist "The War of Northern Aggression" (which is what it was) was not about slavery. Of course it was, from day one. Even though Lincoln said it wasn't.... and took 2 years to get around to The Emancipation.

10 posted on 06/01/2014 9:13:53 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Vote for a gay African Marxist for POTUS? Sure. What could go wrong?)
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11 posted on 06/01/2014 9:15:38 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: MinorityRepublican
What I'd like to know is: When did Alabama START celebrating Jefferson Davis's birthday? Also: Which party controlled the Alabama state legislature at that time?

Inquiring minds want etc....

Regards,

12 posted on 06/01/2014 9:20:11 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Michael.SF.
what percentage of people under age 30, even know who this man was?

If the answers given to roving reporter Jesse Watters by college-age bathers at Jones Beach, NY accurately reflect the knowledge level of this age group, the percentage is probably very low.

When asked who we fought in the Revolutionary War, answers from these beachgoers included the French and China. One bather called George Washington "the second president after Lincoln." From this group, we also learned that we fought the South in World War II, that Korea bombed Pearl Harbor, and that the Cold War was so named because it's cold in Russia.

See this Watters' World broadcast of a few days ago.

13 posted on 06/01/2014 9:55:25 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill
They all probably attended Professor Jerome Brown's history classes
14 posted on 06/01/2014 9:59:35 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparisons)
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To: MinorityRepublican


Oooooo, that Jeff Davis was a REAL president. And he was a cutie too.
15 posted on 06/01/2014 10:24:56 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Divided” means that professional whiners like Alvin Holmes won’t shut up about it.


16 posted on 06/02/2014 1:19:05 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Kenny Bunk

“Even though Lincoln said it wasn’t.... and took 2 years to get around to The Emancipation.”

The Emancipation only freed slaves in the states that had seceded. Two border states fought for the Union with their slavery intact.

Slavery was the excuse given for the war by the north; the treatment of blacks throughout the country afterwards indicates to me that the war was never about them...


17 posted on 06/02/2014 4:01:58 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Kenny Bunk

It appears Lincoln disagrees!!!

“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause.” – August 22, 1862 – Letter to Horace Greeley - See more at: http://www.civil-war-enthusiast.com/abraham-lincoln/#sthash.PkrtBJvk.dpuf


18 posted on 06/02/2014 5:30:24 AM PDT by ontap
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To: alexander_busek

Most likely immediately following the Civil war....Jeff Davis is still beloved by many in the South as is General Lee , Stonewall Jackson and others!!! They are gaining popularity in the North as well!!!


19 posted on 06/02/2014 5:34:52 AM PDT by ontap
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To: alexander_busek

Until the late seventies the South was solid Democrat!!!


20 posted on 06/02/2014 5:42:20 AM PDT by ontap
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To: ontap
Newsflash!

St. Lincoln was a politician. He did his damndest to keep out of war, by placating the South as much as was possible. Many ideas were floating about; colonization, buying the slaves from their "owners" with government bond issues, gradual emancipation, etc. etc. with some emancipation programs even put forward by Southern politicians.

Lincoln's speeches can be a little like the Bible in that one can find something somewhere to show that he backed a variety of positions. It is an unpleasant fact that the maintenance of slavery was reason the South demanded the states' right to to secede, thereby queering the states' rights proposition forever.

It's also a fact that until Emancipation in some of the Border States, The Federal Government under Lincoln ordered area commanders to return runaway slaves to their masters. This of course, was to keep states like Kentucky in the Union.

Although St. Lincoln was an Abolitionist, many Northerners who were needed in the Army and to pay taxes were emphatically not. So the government rather shamelessly promoted the Union cause to keep the war going. This part of our history is a very grey area of mixed motives and initiatives. From it date not only Emancipation but the very idea of an all-powerful central American government with the potential of overwhelming military force, in charge of everything and the power to tax citizens of every sovereign state to support itself.

For this unintended consequence the Southern elites and their insistence on keeping an agricultural system based on slavery is, IMNVHO, the root cause.

21 posted on 06/02/2014 8:00:42 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Vote for a gay African Marxist for POTUS? Sure. What could go wrong?)
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To: kearnyirish2

Ping


22 posted on 06/02/2014 8:03:29 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Vote for a gay African Marxist for POTUS? Sure. What could go wrong?)
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To: Kenny Bunk
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I would suggest that you conveniently interpret Lincolns words to fit your scenario of what happened. Relatively few southerners owned slaves or benefited from slavery. But it made a good moral argument to wage economic war against the South.
23 posted on 06/02/2014 10:49:13 AM PDT by ontap
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To: ontap

You missed this part of the quote: “I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free.” – August 22, 1862 – Letter to Horace Greeley


24 posted on 06/02/2014 10:58:50 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

That changes nothing......he spoke out of both sides of his mouth. That’s the point!!!!


25 posted on 06/02/2014 11:11:05 AM PDT by ontap
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To: ontap
But it (slavery) made a good moral argument to wage economic war against the South. \

Absolutely.

26 posted on 06/02/2014 1:41:50 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Vote for a gay African Marxist for POTUS? Sure. What could go wrong?)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

That’s his moocher wife and he is in Kenya campaigning for his cousin Rail Odinga.


27 posted on 06/02/2014 8:40:00 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Rome2000

Thanks.


28 posted on 06/03/2014 8:11:08 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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