Skip to comments.Fearing Rising Backlash, NRA Urges Gun Activists to Stand Down
Posted on 06/02/2014 8:27:47 AM PDT by windcliff
The last couple of months have been rough for proponents of open-carry gun laws. No fewer than seven restaurant chains have taken a stand against firearms being brought to their businesses, after activists in Texas conducted provocative demonstrations in which they toted semi-automatic rifles into various eateries. Texas law allows rifles (though not handguns) to be carried on display in public, but some patrons and employees were unnerved and angered by the demonstrations, and a national group advocating for reforms, Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, pressured the companies using social media campaigns. After Mother Jones published videos of the gun activists in action, Sonic and Chili's Grill & Bar became the latest to officially reject guns on their premises.
There has also been a particularly dark side to the story of the gun activists: As I first reported in mid May, members of Open Carry Texas and their allies have used vicious tactics against people who disagree with them, including bullying and degrading women. Just last week they harassed a Marine veteran, pursuing him through the streets of Fort Worth on Memorial Day.
In an extraordinary statement, the NRA denounced the open-carry demonstrations as "foolishness" and "downright weird."
Evidently the National Rifle Association has come to realize that none of this is good for business. In an extraordinary move on Friday, the NRA's Institute for Legislative Actionthe organization's powerful lobbying arm in Washingtonissued a lengthy statement seeking to distinguish between "responsible behavior" and "legal mandates." It told the Texas gun activists in no uncertain terms to stand down.
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Mother Jones is afraid of the societal change rapidly eroding hopes of a leftist utopia being implemented.
Too dawned bad.
I’d agree with a bit of volume reduction.
All we need is for something - anything - to happen that would allow the MSM (candidate for low IQ average winner) to paint gun owners as (fill in your worst description here).
I agree. Going out of your way to make people uncomfortable by open-carrying a rifle into a public restaurant, just to make a point, is counter-productive.
When the CHL law was first enacted in Texas, we worked to educate businesses on the law, and pointed out that they wouldn't know who was carrying a gun, and posting a sign only kept out the law abiding. We also pointed out the risks of creating a gun-free zone. In many cases, businesses took down the signs and/or changed policy.
Now, the "open carry" demonstrations have undone our efforts. Several businesses (like Chili's) are now changing policy again.
I understand what the proponents of open carry are trying to do. But, I think they are going at it the wrong way. Instead of "educating" people, they are making them uncomfortable, and the inevitable over-reaction is a step backwards.
Mother Jones is fabricating dissention.
Then again, I have found plenty of wi+ years ago who were staunch second amendment supporters but who wanted to toss assault weapons under the bus as an embarrassment to “legitimate” shooters.
The point of the provocative open carry demonstrations is to show that what most people ignorantly think is dangerous (a “man with a gun!”) is perfectly safe.
I think it would be even more effective if we recruited muscular black men and tattooed Hispanics who were legally qualified to open carry rifles, and made opposing gun rights a racial issue. Also, some hot chicks to make good optics for the PR. Then grannies. Then (yes) flaming gays.
Don’t give that commie rag any hits - read the original NRA statement here: http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/5/good-citizens-and-good-neighbors-the-gun-owners-role.aspx
Yes it is Mother Jones. We know what their agenda is. I will say that if I were with my family in a restaurant and a person walked in with an AR-15 or an AK-47, it would be disturbing. I say this favoring concealed or open carry. Wear a sidearm on your hip, no problem at all. I think this is evidence of very poor judgement.
This is a real catch-22. If you don’t excercise a right, you might lose it. On the other hand, some open carry in some situations is probably not prudent.
I have a CCW permit and prefer that method over advertising myself as a carrier. But I do open carry handguns in some nearby rural towns.
Yes, but it should be better planned and paced to produce a "slow trickle" of these events, more widely scattered at different locations. Move too fast with it and the negative media stories just sort of get linked together and the ignorant beliefs are reinforced.
and proponents of open carry also ought to revive the American dress code of a coat and decent shirt (tie optional). A sport jacket is a very nice way to have easy access to your holster while keeping it a bit more private.
Walking into MacDonald's trailing your trusty 38-55 Winchester, wearing shorts, a dirty tee shirt with an NRA slogan, flip-flops, a 10-day beard, a mullet hair-do and many strange tattoos does not inspire confidence. Especially of you are a girl.
I was downtown Dallas with my daughter when we just happened to walk by the activists. I’m not against open carry, but this is just not the right way to do this. Unfortunately it unnerved my daughter. I explained to her what was going on and she chilled out.
The average bystander, not knowing what the heck is going on, could possibly over react, etc. There just too many opportunities for something to go wrogn. If I was a restaurant owner, I would have politely asked them to demonstrate somewhere else or would have contacted police to report.
Overall, it was just surreal...that’s all. Not used to seeing this.
Just last weekend, at a little country store with a lunch counter, saw a guy walk in with an open carry holstered pistol. Despite the worst fears of the liberals, the only thing that happened was the he ordered his food, waited for it to be cooked, paid for it and left. No one was killed. No panic. Just another day here in the heartland.
“I understand what the proponents of open carry are trying to do. But, I think they are going at it the wrong way. Instead of “educating” people, they are making them uncomfortable, and the inevitable over-reaction is a step backwards. “
Yes, they are beginning to act like Gays and Gay Marriage. The beef I have with the NRA (and why I let my membership lapse) is the fact that they will support DemoRATs so long as they are “right” on guns. I’d be a lot happier with the NRA if they were pro Constitution!
Nice to see “Mother Jones” weighing in on this.But who next? The People’s Daily?
No they aren’t. It’s clear this is creating a major issue for 2nd Amendment Rights activists. While I am no real believer in 99% of the “false flag” idiocy ... if there is ever going to be one, count on it being as a result of this.
Bad place the clip an extra mag in my opinion.
As hard as it is to believe, this is due to Texas law.
You can carry a rifle in public, slung over your shoulder.
But, you can't carry a handgun openly, except when "engaged in a sporting purpose". Even with a CHL, you can only carry one concealed.
I caught that from the article, so I understand what’s going on here. I just think you loose more support than you gain by walking in like this.
Most folks don’t focus on gun rights all the time. They may favor them, but they don’t key in on it like some of us do. Those folks aren’t going to be impressed by this sort of thing, even though they probably share a lot of our views down deep.
I just think it’s a mistake.
I appreciate the note of mention, re the handguns being worn openly.
I agree. I wrote a posting earlier in this thread, lamenting that this "activism" is undoing a great deal of effort expended right after the CHL law was enacted in the 90's.
The beef I have with the NRA (and why I let my membership lapse) is the fact that they will support DemoRATs so long as they are right on guns. Id be a lot happier with the NRA if they were pro Constitution!
A very worthy beef IMHO.
Supporting democrats regardless of their position on guns is a lose lose in everyway one could possibly think of. When the NRA ever comes to it’s senses, maybe I will consider membership. How one justifies, middle of the road sitting on the fence politics in today’s world is a question the NRA seems to avoid.
Thanks JustLurking. We’re on the same page. I appreciate the comments.
You know, I’ve been out on the street with people I agree with politically. We believe in the same things, even the same cause we were protesting about. Sadly, some of them make such fools of themselves on the street, that they tarnish the whole cause and Conservatives in general with their insulting and ill thought out actions.
I think this is an example of that sort of problem.
Yep, like those Negroes that had the audacity to sit at the lunch counter or the gays with their PDA's and parades.
Speaker of the Massachusetts House Robert DeLeo has before the Legislature a new, even more awful, gun-confiscation bill that begins with mandatory registration of ALL firearms in the state, including the musket your great-great-grandfather used during the Civil War. Is there another state with mandatory gun registration?
While I am not a big fan of the NRA (they have compromised too many times), I believe they are correct in principle on this matter.
Two concepts that need to evaluated: what is legal and what is wise.
Let me start with an example. I live in the country where there is a beautiful winding road which is fairly flat, but that has some very steep edges to it, and is only wide enough for two cars with no shoulders on any part of the road for many many miles. Cars tend to go between 35 and 55mph on this road, around turns, etc. Because this road is very beautiful, I have noticed over the last six years or so more bicycles on this road, and in the last couple of years, people running on this road. This is very dangerous. With no where to go for either car or person I expect to hear of accidents. I have gone around the turns only to be encountered in my lane by bicycles or runners; and have had to brake hard to avoid hitting them. I will not move out into the other lane, because I can’t see if there are any cars coming in the other direction.
My point: while legal for the bicycles and runners, it is not wise; but very dangerous.
While legal for individuals to open carry it probably is not wise to open carry rifles. But instead it is an in your face attitude that doesn’t need to occur; and it seem to be openly rebellious (kind of like an 8-year old that has discovered a new found liberty and doesn’t know how to properly and responsibly exercise his new liberty.) Open carry with handguns in normal holsters would still make the point, exercising our 2nd amendment, but not be so brazen and in your face.
When Bill Walsh was coach of the 49ers and some of the team would do the victory dance in the endzone, he said something that has stuck with me (paraphrased by me): Stop the victory dance, when you get into the endzone, act like you have been there before.
Andrew Branca did a piece on this topic a couple weeks ago in Legal Insurrection.com. More than the usual number of comments on the story.
“Another rationale offered by the OCIYF! crew is that they are merely strengthening their Second Amendment rights through the exercise of those rights. Indeed, theyll be happy to imply that its not they who are the problem, but rather that the problem lies with those of us who dont engage in OCIYF! who hide our Second Amendment rightsafter all, if we dont use our gun rights, well lose our gun rights.
Heres some breaking news for you OCIYF! people:
YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT TO CARRY A FIREARM INTO A PRIVATELY OWNED BUSINESS.
None. Zero. Zilch. Zip.”
Neither of which can be considered to be behavior that would make a reasonable person concerned that an act of violence was about to occur. Something that CANNOT be said about walking into a place while holding an AR-15, given recent history of mass murder incidents.
I don't know about you, but if I'm sitting at a diner and somebody walks in holding an AR-15 (not just slung over the shoulder, or better-yet in a bag, but HOLDING), I'm going to react the same way as if somebody walked in holding a handgun in his hand, namely assume that a robbery or massacre is imminent.
One of these days, one of these open-carry idiots is going to walk into a place holding a rifle, somebody is going to become alarmed enough to draw and blow the guy away, and if I'm on the jury I WILL NOT VOTE TO CONVICT, on the basis of reasonable self-defense.
Gunowners, is the NRA your friend? They should be pointing out that the problem is that everyone of these shooters has been or is on mind-warping "meds", prescribed to alter their behaviors. Aren't you paying dues for them to deflect from blaming the guns?
Yes, I know that. I still don’t want folks walking into business establishments with AK-47s and AR-15s. I think you lose a lot of folks who would otherwise support your cause.
Showing up at a restaurant brandishing weapons is not a good way to support open carry.
Funny. We have open carry in Oklahoma and we got it without acting like a bunch of irresponsible adolescents. Maybe that's *why* we got it here.
So what is an acceptable carry method for a rifle or shotgun carried for personal protection? Because the states involved have made openly carrying a sidearm impracticable. This is a legal form of protest, the gun banners will act by outlawing it, and then we can take them to court with a bona-fide cause for action which isn’t already blocked by illegitimate and ignorant precedent.
If you are talking about Chubby and Snowboots at Chipotle, they didn’t “show up there” to “brandish” their weapons.
They did pose for a photo op that the anti-gun types are using for good effect.
Especially effective on “fair weather Patriots” more than willing to concede the fight to the Left when they start saying mean things about us...
But then, if we wind up with a country where everything is privately owned, will we have no Second Amendment rights at all? Or any other rights?
YUp. Exactly the same thing.
If you cannot exercise a right, you don't actually have it.
I do not believe this word means what you think it means.
And why is open-carry of a sidearm necessary, as opposed to concealed carry? Or even moderately-discrete carry (i.e., where, sure, there's a noticeable bulge on your right hip, but no gun is actually visible)?
Poor weapons etiquette is poor weapons etiquette. I was unimpressed and I grew up with guns, served combat duty and am a current CCL holder. How do suppose this affects the public that don’t have firearms exposure?
This crap is not serving our purposes, who do think it is helping?
Do you need pictures?
No one is immune for firearms exposure in this Country. Not unless you are a hermit who hasn't seen a movie or ANY TV for the last... Ever. Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz had a .38 revolver. Carried openly. Ponder that.
This crap is not serving our purposes, who do think it is helping?
Be more specific? "Conservatives" agreeing with Mother Jones' take on the issue? Or the open carry movement in particular?
If you don't have the desire to openly express a Right, don't. The more you don't, the easier it will be to take it away from you later... Haven't we learned that lesson yet?
Not really. Just enjoying reading the quislings with their panties in a wad.
You have to wonder if some of these people aren’t plants from the anti 2A crowd. They were instrumental in getting it banned in CA not long ago and if they left well enough alone it would still be there and you could easily win a court case over it (if you got picked up or harassed)without lighting up the libtards...
Bullcrap. Even in the past you wouldn’t saunter into an establishment with a long gun with any frequency. At the very best, the courteous thing to do would be to check it on a rack.
Given the media preoccupation with “mass shootings” (which are infinitesimal in number in reality) and the constant hammering of it into the public’s mind, you are definitely primed to eventually have one or two guys saunter into an establishment with long guns slung over themselves and some pro active customer with a CCW lights them up thinking its “gonna be a shooting”.
Regardless of what you think of the social and legal aspects of the situation, you HAVE to look at it from the worst case scenario and how the media and powers that be would subsequently mine it for Constitutional kryptonite.
The activists would generate way more benefit if they merely talked people up and brought new blood into the ownership and sporting aspects of riflery and handgunning. As it stands, they are in the very least cementing numbers of people into the opposition position by freaking them out at lunch or dinner...
California on purchase or transfer.