Skip to comments.VA Chaplain: Govít Made Me Hide Crosses and Pictures of Jesus, Banned Me From Reading Bible Aloud
Posted on 06/02/2014 1:19:40 PM PDT by PoloSec
In the wake of the ever-growing VA scandal, actions at the Iron Mountain VA Hospital in Michigan may not have gotten quite as much press as many feel they should.
Patsy Norton, when walking into Iron Mountains VA chapel, was appalled to find every sign of Christianity hidden from sight. She detailed her shock in this letter, published by Joe For America:
May 30, 2014 The Daily News
I went to the VA Hospital in Iron Mountain today on business. While there I stopped at the Chapel and found pinky-purple curtains with mesh at the top, covering the altar. (You know the type. They use them between sick patients in the hospital).
I stopped in my tracks, shocked at what I saw. I peeked behind the curtain, and found what used to be the welcoming part of the chapel, the Cross, a picture of Jesus, and other Christian icons familiar to the majority of Americans.
I found Chaplain Bob Mueller, to ask what the meaning was of this change. This is what he told me. A couple of months ago, an order came down from Washington DC to cover all things associated with Christianity in the VA. Their solution is to cover everything in all the VA Chapels across the country.
Patsy Norton Kingsford
Norton also said that the chaplain was told to stop talking about Jesus, and to stop reading Scripture out loud.
The repression of Christianity isnt limited to Iron Mountain, but has been reported in VA facilities all over the country:
Last Christmas a group of Georgia high school students were given a list of government-approved carols to sing at a VA hospital in Augusta and a VA hospital in Texas refused to accept holiday cards that included the phrase, Merry Christmas.
Not only are these actions a symbol of religious intolerance, but they are another nail in the coffin, so to speak, of the state of the Veterans Administration.
Taking care of our veterans is one of our governments utmost responsibilities. Limiting their religious freedoms and blocking them from medical care should not be tolerated.
When a void is created, something else will fill its place, Ping!
If WWII happened on Barky’s watch we would all be speaking German right now, except the Jews wouldn’t be speaking anything.
The Veil of the Tabernacle perhaps?
He is risen!
This is happening in the USA, and nobody who could possibly do anything about it even cares. Most people are just waiting around for the gay pride parade and/or the welfare check.
Orders from the top. Eliminate all vestiges of Christianity from the military, and then from the country.
But they’ll be wishing they could vote for Barky.
I found Chaplain Bob Mueller, to ask what the meaning was of this change. This is what he told me. A couple of months ago, an order came down from Washington DC to cover all things associated with Christianity in the VA. Their solution is to cover everything in all the VA Chapels across the country. Norton also said that the chaplain was told to stop talking about Jesus, and to stop reading Scripture out loud.
The repression of Christianity isnt limited to Iron Mountain, but has been reported in VA facilities all over the country...
What I want to know is what happened to the covenant the Chaplain had with God? He’s getting paid to deny Jesus.
More like the curtain drawn around a dying patient.
I'm not having much luck with that. Between equipment problems and people problems, I'm not sure it will ever happen.
Orders from the head muzzie.
Notre Dame did the same thing when he slithered into South Bend.
But he’s not a muslim. Just ask his media.
Oh well. At least June us sexual perversion month. Priorities, you know.
This is revolting.
I get that not all serving personnel are Christian, nor are all veterans. That is fine - there are good people out there regardless.
Chaplains though, are some of the most amazing people in the services. Always there, with advice, encouragement and good humor. Chapels, if you are lucky enough to have a dedicated one instead of crowding into the mess hall, are places of silent contemplation. They are not something to hide away or be ashamed of.
Revolting: Norton also said that the chaplain was told to stop talking about Jesus, and to stop reading Scripture out loud.
The idea of a chaplain is to provide Christian pastoral care to Christians. So, it’s absurd they can’t read aloud from the Bible or mention Jesus. This sounds like the Soviet Union.
freedom of religionis dead in America?
It’s not dead until those of us who will continue to insist on our exercising our liberties... DIE
Maybe I should stop saying that the persecution of Christians and Catholics is coming. It appears it is already here.
Religious rights ping
Actually, many people receiving welfare checks are actually sincere Christians and very traditional. These are attributes that would be difficult or impossible to find in those working for the federal government in D.C., or at any high brass level in the Pentagon.
Someone should sue the administration for unconstitutional denial of religious freedom. Perhaps the Rutherford Institute or the American Center for Law and Justice.
As a veteran, I had open heart survey at the VA center here in Gainesville, Florida back in 2012. I quit breathing and my heart stopped in intensive care, 2 days after surgery. I was clinically dead but the head cardiac surgeon happened to be on the floor and cut my chest open again and took ten minutes to hand-massage my heart to beating again. My wife was present when this happen and she was ushered into the chapel, along with all the other visitors in the ICU. The chapel was definitely Christian and looked like what it is supposed to be, a small church for families to pray for the loved ones in. My wife found great comfort in being there, even knowing I could die in my ICU bed just down the hallway. I obviously did survive but it took a much longer time than normal to fully recover.
One of the hospital chaplains came by to see me shortly after the surgery. We discussed real-life miracles and he assured me that what the doctor and my medical team did for me to bring me back from the brink of certain death, was a truly a miracle. We prayed together and he gave me great comfort in my time of dire need. He came to see me many times in the five weeks before I was released to my home and I went out of my way to see him when I went back to the VA for my followup appointments.
I don’t know how I would have gotten through this very difficult time in my life without the presence of a loving, dedicated, religious praying chaplain to help me. I cannot understand the order to cover any symbols of Christianity and to stop praying and using the bibles in the VA facilities. My guess, is that the liberals in power are against religion and secularist in their beliefs. Whatever happen to freedom of religion?
Powerful testimony - Thanks for posting.
>> Powerful testimony - Thanks for posting.
I both wholeheartedly agree with you and slightly disagree with you.
The sheer joy of sharing fellowship in the Lord is amazing and ultra important. I’m a Catholic. Sometimes the chaplain isn’t a Catholic, so can’t take confession, but you could still talk to him in confidence, you know? Not quite the same, but close enough. You take what comfort you can get.
At the same time, you get a team rotating back to base - most of the time you don’t have psychologists or therapists to handle the crap people need to spill to stay sane. The chaplain is the nearest thing you got and, unlike the head peekers, there is no stigma about talking to them.
WOW! Thanks for the post; ping; thread; comments.
United Socialists of America (USA) are very busy.
God’s grace to you and my thanks for your testimony!
I know what you mean - chaplains have a calm about them that helps to bring both peace and acceptance. They truly do God’s work, helping us understand and accept what is and what we do.
The leftists can not abide that thought. To them, we are tools to be used and cast aside when our edge blunts. Little people, if you like, of lesser worth because we are foolish enough to believe in such outmoded concepts as patriotism and duty and a higher power that does not require our votes and our tax dollars. They don’t like the competition.
My blessings to you and my hopes your recovery has been perfect.
It is merely THE promised fundamental change
V A ping.
Thanks for sharing that.
Jeepers. Thanks for the ping.
You are correct sir. It just hasn't gotten physical yet. The key word is "yet"
A person is a liberal when he prefers his own freedom to be subjective at the expense of truth.