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VA Chaplain: Govít Made Me Hide Crosses and Pictures of Jesus, Banned Me From Reading Bible Aloud
Independent Journal Review ^ | June 2 2014 | Emily Hulsey

Posted on 06/02/2014 1:19:40 PM PDT by PoloSec

In the wake of the ever-growing VA scandal, actions at the Iron Mountain VA Hospital in Michigan may not have gotten quite as much press as many feel they should.

Patsy Norton, when walking into Iron Mountain’s VA chapel, was appalled to find every sign of Christianity hidden from sight. She detailed her shock in this letter, published by Joe For America:

May 30, 2014 The Daily News

EDITOR:

I went to the VA Hospital in Iron Mountain today on business. While there I stopped at the Chapel and found pinky-purple curtains with mesh at the top, covering the altar. (You know the type. They use them between sick patients in the hospital).

I stopped in my tracks, shocked at what I saw. I peeked behind the curtain, and found what used to be the welcoming part of the chapel, the Cross, a picture of Jesus, and other Christian icons familiar to the majority of Americans.

I found Chaplain Bob Mueller, to ask what the meaning was of this change. This is what he told me. “A couple of months ago, an order came down from Washington DC to cover all things associated with Christianity in the VA. Their solution is to cover everything in all the VA Chapels across the country.”

Patsy Norton Kingsford

Norton also said that the chaplain was told to “stop talking about Jesus, and to stop reading Scripture out loud.”

The repression of Christianity isn’t limited to Iron Mountain, but has been reported in VA facilities all over the country:

Last Christmas a group of Georgia high school students were given a list of government-approved carols to sing at a VA hospital in Augusta and a VA hospital in Texas refused to accept holiday cards that included the phrase, “Merry Christmas.”

Not only are these actions a symbol of religious intolerance, but they are another nail in the coffin, so to speak, of the state of the Veterans Administration.

Taking care of our veterans is one of our government’s utmost responsibilities. Limiting their religious freedoms and blocking them from medical care should not be tolerated.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: ironmountain; kenyanbornmuzzie; michigan; veteransaffairs

1 posted on 06/02/2014 1:19:40 PM PDT by PoloSec
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To: PoloSec
the hate spilled over in the wrong direction with this VA fiasco!!!

Odd how its fallen OFF the front page since the TALIBAN TRADE!!!


2 posted on 06/02/2014 1:21:15 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: PoloSec; Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; ...

When a void is created, something else will fill its place, Ping!

3 posted on 06/02/2014 1:23:01 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: PoloSec
I spent the morning at the VA trying to get an ID card. It's amazing that something so simple has to be made so difficult. No ID card will be forthcoming. I'll try again next month.

/johnny

4 posted on 06/02/2014 1:23:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: PoloSec

If WWII happened on Barky’s watch we would all be speaking German right now, except the Jews wouldn’t be speaking anything.


5 posted on 06/02/2014 1:28:10 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: PoloSec
Christians who are also democrats will most likely choose to abandon Christianity to keep their main religion, Liberalism.
6 posted on 06/02/2014 1:32:57 PM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: NYer

The Veil of the Tabernacle perhaps?


7 posted on 06/02/2014 1:33:50 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: PoloSec
Hm, I wonder what would be made of someone using as their standard greeting He is risen!
8 posted on 06/02/2014 1:34:39 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: PoloSec

This is happening in the USA, and nobody who could possibly do anything about it even cares. Most people are just waiting around for the gay pride parade and/or the welfare check.


9 posted on 06/02/2014 1:34:50 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: PoloSec

Orders from the top. Eliminate all vestiges of Christianity from the military, and then from the country.


10 posted on 06/02/2014 1:37:27 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: OneWingedShark

a martyr?


11 posted on 06/02/2014 1:38:56 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Reeses

But they’ll be wishing they could vote for Barky.


12 posted on 06/02/2014 1:43:54 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: PoloSec
I went to the VA Hospital in Iron Mountain today on business. While there I stopped at the Chapel and found pinky-purple curtains with mesh at the top, covering the altar. (You know the type. They use them between sick patients in the hospital). I stopped in my tracks, shocked at what I saw. I peeked behind the curtain, and found what used to be the welcoming part of the chapel, the Cross, a picture of Jesus, and other Christian icons familiar to the majority of Americans.

I found Chaplain Bob Mueller, to ask what the meaning was of this change. This is what he told me. “A couple of months ago, an order came down from Washington DC to cover all things associated with Christianity in the VA. Their solution is to cover everything in all the VA Chapels across the country.” Norton also said that the chaplain was told to “stop talking about Jesus, and to stop reading Scripture out loud.”

The repression of Christianity isn’t limited to Iron Mountain, but has been reported in VA facilities all over the country...

PFL

13 posted on 06/02/2014 1:48:31 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: PoloSec

What I want to know is what happened to the covenant the Chaplain had with God? He’s getting paid to deny Jesus.


14 posted on 06/02/2014 1:49:31 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: JRandomFreeper
No ID card will be forthcoming. I'll try again next month.
I called the VA last week regarding a new ID and was told that ALL vets are automatically getting new IDs.
They supposedly began sending them out last month.
Source
15 posted on 06/02/2014 1:50:05 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt
The Veil of the Tabernacle perhaps?

More like the curtain drawn around a dying patient.

16 posted on 06/02/2014 1:54:58 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: oh8eleven
I'm still waiting to get my picture taken for the first one.

I'm not having much luck with that. Between equipment problems and people problems, I'm not sure it will ever happen.

/johnny

17 posted on 06/02/2014 1:57:05 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: I want the USA back

Orders from the head muzzie.

Notre Dame did the same thing when he slithered into South Bend.

But he’s not a muslim. Just ask his media.


18 posted on 06/02/2014 2:00:08 PM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is now the CPUSA)
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To: PoloSec

Oh well. At least June us sexual perversion month. Priorities, you know.


19 posted on 06/02/2014 2:16:24 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: PoloSec

This is revolting.

I get that not all serving personnel are Christian, nor are all veterans. That is fine - there are good people out there regardless.

Chaplains though, are some of the most amazing people in the services. Always there, with advice, encouragement and good humor. Chapels, if you are lucky enough to have a dedicated one instead of crowding into the mess hall, are places of silent contemplation. They are not something to hide away or be ashamed of.


20 posted on 06/02/2014 2:40:44 PM PDT by EC1
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To: zot; Interesting Times; SeraphimApprentice; NYer; SeekAndFind; Alamo-Girl; Biggirl; ...

Revolting: Norton also said that the chaplain was told to “stop talking about Jesus, and to stop reading Scripture out loud.”


21 posted on 06/02/2014 2:47:24 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: EC1

The idea of a chaplain is to provide Christian pastoral care to Christians. So, it’s absurd they can’t read aloud from the Bible or mention Jesus. This sounds like the Soviet Union.


22 posted on 06/02/2014 2:49:29 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: WashingtonSource

Sure does.


23 posted on 06/02/2014 3:07:17 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: MeshugeMikey
Hm, if it's that bad… don't you think that would just prove that freedom of religion is dead in America?
24 posted on 06/02/2014 3:21:00 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

It’s not dead until those of us who will continue to insist on our exercising our liberties... DIE


25 posted on 06/02/2014 3:23:48 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: PoloSec

Maybe I should stop saying that the persecution of Christians and Catholics is coming. It appears it is already here.


26 posted on 06/02/2014 3:31:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks PoloSec.
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KEYWORDS: afghanistan; awol; bobbergdahl; bowebergdahl; deserter; gitmo; negotiating; terrorist

27 posted on 06/02/2014 3:33:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: MeshugeMikey
I quite agree.
Fortunately for us, our God is the God of Life and will raise us up even as He did Jesus, the Firstborn of the Dead. (See Revelation 1:5, Romans 8:11, and 1 Corinthians 15:20)
28 posted on 06/02/2014 3:34:22 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: PoloSec

Religious rights ping


29 posted on 06/02/2014 3:34:28 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: OneWingedShark
I love that!. “He is risen”. Amen I hope that I can start that greeting here. The phrase is not only proper at Easter but a year round affirmation of our faith.
30 posted on 06/02/2014 3:39:28 PM PDT by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I'm still waiting to get my picture taken for the first one.
My current ID photo is 18-20 years old. I'll keep it! :)
31 posted on 06/02/2014 3:49:23 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: madprof98
This is happening in the USA, and nobody who could possibly do anything about it even cares. Most people are just waiting around for the gay pride parade and/or the welfare check.

Actually, many people receiving welfare checks are actually sincere Christians and very traditional. These are attributes that would be difficult or impossible to find in those working for the federal government in D.C., or at any high brass level in the Pentagon.

32 posted on 06/02/2014 3:57:57 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: GreyFriar

Someone should sue the administration for unconstitutional denial of religious freedom. Perhaps the Rutherford Institute or the American Center for Law and Justice.


33 posted on 06/02/2014 3:58:02 PM PDT by zot
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To: WashingtonSource
Just wondering:

Does the US military even put "Religion" on servicemembers' dog tags anymore?


34 posted on 06/02/2014 4:37:09 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
VA Hospital in Iron Mountain.

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Michigan legislative action thread
35 posted on 06/02/2014 4:40:34 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: EC1; PoloSec

As a veteran, I had open heart survey at the VA center here in Gainesville, Florida back in 2012. I quit breathing and my heart stopped in intensive care, 2 days after surgery. I was clinically dead but the head cardiac surgeon happened to be on the floor and cut my chest open again and took ten minutes to hand-massage my heart to beating again. My wife was present when this happen and she was ushered into the chapel, along with all the other visitors in the ICU. The chapel was definitely Christian and looked like what it is supposed to be, a small church for families to pray for the loved ones in. My wife found great comfort in being there, even knowing I could die in my ICU bed just down the hallway. I obviously did survive but it took a much longer time than normal to fully recover.

One of the hospital chaplains came by to see me shortly after the surgery. We discussed real-life miracles and he assured me that what the doctor and my medical team did for me to bring me back from the brink of certain death, was a truly a miracle. We prayed together and he gave me great comfort in my time of dire need. He came to see me many times in the five weeks before I was released to my home and I went out of my way to see him when I went back to the VA for my followup appointments.

I don’t know how I would have gotten through this very difficult time in my life without the presence of a loving, dedicated, religious praying chaplain to help me. I cannot understand the order to cover any symbols of Christianity and to stop praying and using the bibles in the VA facilities. My guess, is that the liberals in power are against religion and secularist in their beliefs. Whatever happen to freedom of religion?


36 posted on 06/02/2014 6:24:51 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: HotHunt

Powerful testimony - Thanks for posting.


37 posted on 06/02/2014 6:37:26 PM PDT by mcshot (..."And this too shall end.")
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To: mcshot; HotHunt

>> Powerful testimony - Thanks for posting.

Ditto.


38 posted on 06/02/2014 6:40:32 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: WashingtonSource

I both wholeheartedly agree with you and slightly disagree with you.

The sheer joy of sharing fellowship in the Lord is amazing and ultra important. I’m a Catholic. Sometimes the chaplain isn’t a Catholic, so can’t take confession, but you could still talk to him in confidence, you know? Not quite the same, but close enough. You take what comfort you can get.

At the same time, you get a team rotating back to base - most of the time you don’t have psychologists or therapists to handle the crap people need to spill to stay sane. The chaplain is the nearest thing you got and, unlike the head peekers, there is no stigma about talking to them.


39 posted on 06/02/2014 6:42:03 PM PDT by EC1
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To: HotHunt; cripplecreek; PoloSec; All

WOW! Thanks for the post; ping; thread; comments.

United Socialists of America (USA) are very busy.


40 posted on 06/02/2014 6:52:33 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: HotHunt

God’s grace to you and my thanks for your testimony!

I know what you mean - chaplains have a calm about them that helps to bring both peace and acceptance. They truly do God’s work, helping us understand and accept what is and what we do.

The leftists can not abide that thought. To them, we are tools to be used and cast aside when our edge blunts. Little people, if you like, of lesser worth because we are foolish enough to believe in such outmoded concepts as patriotism and duty and a higher power that does not require our votes and our tax dollars. They don’t like the competition.

My blessings to you and my hopes your recovery has been perfect.


41 posted on 06/02/2014 9:24:51 PM PDT by EC1
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To: PoloSec

It is merely THE promised fundamental change


42 posted on 06/02/2014 9:33:20 PM PDT by Thibodeaux
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To: PoloSec; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

V A ping.


43 posted on 06/02/2014 9:36:16 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: HotHunt

Thanks for sharing that.


44 posted on 06/02/2014 9:40:07 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: GreyFriar

Jeepers. Thanks for the ping.


45 posted on 06/02/2014 9:48:38 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Salvation
Maybe I should stop saying that the persecution of Christians and Catholics is coming. It appears it is already here.

You are correct sir. It just hasn't gotten physical yet. The key word is "yet"

46 posted on 06/02/2014 10:52:43 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: ArtDodger

A person is a liberal when he prefers his own freedom to be subjective at the expense of truth.


47 posted on 06/03/2014 6:05:36 AM PDT by Mmmike
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