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Liberal Austin homeowners surprised to find they have to pay all the taxes they voted for
Hotair ^ | 06/02/2014 | Erika Johnsen

Posted on 06/02/2014 7:18:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

NIMBY, literally.

“I’m at the breaking point,” said Gretchen Gardner, an Austin artist who bought a 1930s bungalow in the Bouldin neighborhood just south of downtown in 1991 and has watched her property tax bill soar to $8,500 this year.

“It’s not because I don’t like paying taxes,” said Gardner, who attended both meetings. “I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can’t afford to live here anymore. I’ll protest my appraisal notice, but that’s not enough. Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.”

I’m really just bringing this to your attention for this quote alone. Voting and paying are different endeavors entirely. Often, when one has to pay for the things one has voted to fund, that decision becomes less flippant. This is a comment, less on the specifics of Texas’ or Austin’s tax system than the blaring disconnect between liberals in Austin who are voting for higher taxes and the actual paying of the taxes. Which, as it turns out, is painful, discouraging, and can be a detriment to the fabric of the city.

The Texas Public Policy Foundation offers this on the complexity and salience of Texas property taxes:

In Texas, there are more than 3,900 localities that impose property taxes, including school districts, counties, and special districts. Texas’ property tax burden has grown from approximately 1 percent of value in the early 1980s to nearly 3 percent today.

The rising burden from property tax is worse for the housing-rich but income-poor elderly homeowners. For example, elderly homeowners tend to move more often to reduce their property tax burden, which is an additional cost of owning a home for those who can least afford to move.

Interestingly, another reason voters hate property taxes is because they are more “salient.” A salient tax means that the burden is transparent, easy to understand, and hard to avoid. If paid directly, property taxes are found to be more salient compared with sales taxes applied at checkout or income taxes withheld from a paycheck.

In 2012, the free-market think tank suggested swapping the local property tax for a sales tax:

New research suggests that if Texas eliminates its local property tax system, ranked as the 14th most oppressive in the nation, and instead replaces those lost revenues with an adjusted sales tax, then the ensuing flood of capital investment and business activity could ignite the Texas economy for years to come.

That’s right, just by changing how Texas governments collect public dollars—but not how much they spend—the Legislature can give the economy and people’s wallets a major boost.

By how much, you ask? Our estimates suggest quite a bit.

Either way, I don’t think Gretchen Gardner is ever going to make the connection between her voting pattern and her bill.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: austin; bluezones; propertytaxes; taxandspend; taxes; texas
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PETARD HOISTED.
1 posted on 06/02/2014 7:18:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

EMBRACE THE SUCK......................


2 posted on 06/02/2014 7:19:40 PM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: SeekAndFind

Commie libs always fall for their ‘RAT “massas” rants that only Republicans, TEA Party types and conservatives will have to pay taxes. Liberals sure aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer.


3 posted on 06/02/2014 7:22:32 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.

Uh, that was you in the voting booth, knucklehead!

4 posted on 06/02/2014 7:23:18 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Texas has no state income tax so the municipalities gotta make it up somehow.

If she’d like to comfort herself she can sit down and figure out how much she’s saving by just having a higher property tax rate as opposed to a 7% income tax rate or whatever.

Not that I don’t think the property tax should be abolished...it should, on Homestead property at least.


5 posted on 06/02/2014 7:24:43 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberals always think that “other people” will have to pay for the things they vote for. It is always a surprise to them when reality slaps them up side the head.


6 posted on 06/02/2014 7:26:39 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: SeekAndFind
It's pretty amazing how stupid the people are who think they're the best and the brightest. Most of them have no clue what a bond issue is or who has to pay for it. Even those who do usually don't understand that the bonds just pay for the improvement...the cost of maintenance never occurs to them.

Now, where did I put my tiny violin.....

7 posted on 06/02/2014 7:26:57 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Soon, "the grateful dead" will be more than just the name of a crap band...)
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To: SeekAndFind


8 posted on 06/02/2014 7:27:34 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: SeekAndFind

Remember the single mom living in a motel room with her 14 kids shouting that “somebody has to take responsibility for these kids”. Same mindset.


9 posted on 06/02/2014 7:29:00 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: SeekAndFind

Where’s that miniature violin at?


10 posted on 06/02/2014 7:29:22 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Somebody’s gotta make room for all the Californians moving in.
Gretchen Gardner ... you’re it.


11 posted on 06/02/2014 7:29:47 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Regulator

I agree that taxes on the homestead should be abolished. As long as the government can take your property for taxes you don’t really own it.


12 posted on 06/02/2014 7:29:56 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Soon, "the grateful dead" will be more than just the name of a crap band...)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have contended for a long time that we should get rid of the federal income tax withholding. Make everyone write a check every quarter to the federal government for their income tax liability. Kind of like filling the tank up on the family soccer bus every 3 days with $4 a gallon gas.


13 posted on 06/02/2014 7:31:27 PM PDT by technically right
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To: SeekAndFind

Gretchen ought to move to Lampassas. Then, she can vote for all of those goodies in that fair city and watch her property taxes go up once again. Some people are beyond stupid.


14 posted on 06/02/2014 7:31:34 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: SeekAndFind

‘I voted for every perk and benefit and now I need the American public to bail me out because I made bad decisions, boo hoo hoo’

awww, did the little piggy fall down in its own mud and can’t get up?


15 posted on 06/02/2014 7:33:08 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: SeekAndFind
"New research suggests that if Texas eliminates its local property tax system, ranked as the 14th most oppressive in the nation, and instead replaces those lost revenues with an adjusted sales tax, then the ensuing flood of capital investment and business activity could ignite the Texas economy for years to come."

i.e. research paid for by Realtor lobbies that shows that lowering property taxes will help businesses associated with property but most likely leaves out what will happen to the retail sector.

16 posted on 06/02/2014 7:34:04 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: SeekAndFind

At least a sales tax would get some more contributions from illegals.


17 posted on 06/02/2014 7:34:09 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: SeekAndFind

The Republican Establishment are just as complicit as the Democrats in the super-high property tax rates in Texas. The Republicans have blocked appraisal caps - the ONE easy method to force taxing entities to actually vote for higher taxes if they want more money (now they sit back and watch revenue come in as property values soar).

There is actually only ONE PERSON who has really stuck his neck out to put an end to that, and that is Dan Patrick (who’s now the favorite for Lt. Gov, where he can actually do something about it) - and this lady probably DESPISES him more than any other politician because (A) he’s a Republican, and (B) because he’s against open borders.

She has gotten EVERYTHING she deserves, given her attitude.


18 posted on 06/02/2014 7:36:09 PM PDT by BobL
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To: SeekAndFind

The problem is, they can raise your taxes by increasing the value of your house just about anytime they want to. Of course, you can try to fight it, but it takes a lot of time and effort, and your chance of success is iffy.


19 posted on 06/02/2014 7:36:28 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: SeekAndFind
“It’s not because I don’t like paying taxes,” said Gardner, who attended both meetings. “I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can’t afford to live here anymore.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

20 posted on 06/02/2014 7:38:08 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: Regulator
"the property tax should be abolished.."

It's a partial wealth tax.

21 posted on 06/02/2014 7:39:59 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

They all say that...”It’s not that I don’t want to pay taxes...”

Uh huh


22 posted on 06/02/2014 7:40:00 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Demons run when a good man goes to war.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots.


23 posted on 06/02/2014 7:40:18 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: SeekAndFind
when one has to pay for the things one has voted to fund, that decision becomes less flippant.

There it is, short & sweet.

As that California lib put it: "Of course I want the poor to have healthcare, but I didn't think I would have to pay for it!"

24 posted on 06/02/2014 7:41:24 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: SeekAndFind
If they put in a sales tax wouldn't it really just result in subsidizing liberals pet projects? Why would the entire state want to support the whack job Austin culture?

Let them pay for their own stupidity.

25 posted on 06/02/2014 7:50:12 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: workerbee

And there are the dumbass renters who vote for every park, yada yada.

And are stunned that their landlord raises rents because his property taxes increased.


26 posted on 06/02/2014 7:52:17 PM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Liberals always think that “other people” will have to pay for the things they vote for. It is always a surprise to them when reality slaps them up side the head.

I doubt they ever become aware of actual "reality." I'm sure the "big picture" she has in mind involves having "the rich" pay for the stuff she votes for. These people believe in Utopia and the Tooth Fairy.

27 posted on 06/02/2014 7:52:38 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Regulator
Texas has no state income tax so the municipalities gotta make it up somehow.

100% right. And private property owners in Austin are really behind the 8-ball from the outset because so much of what passes for a tax base in Austin is off the tax rolls because it's state or city property. That means an even greater burden falls upon the ordinary property taxpayer in Travis County.

You'd think that an informed voter in Austin who works for a living would have reckoned with that reality long ago, but in the case of this Gretchen Goober person, I guess not.
28 posted on 06/02/2014 7:57:29 PM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: SeekAndFind

Free-market suggested swapping local property taxes for sales tax?
Are you kidding me? Just another way of taking money from folks to feed leviathan. How about reducing the size and scope of government so taxes would be less oppressive.


29 posted on 06/02/2014 7:57:44 PM PDT by all the best (sat`~!)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
OH! the shock! ..It's others' peoples taxes, when YOU vote for it;
but when YOU have to pay it with our own $$$$, it's a different story.

30 posted on 06/02/2014 7:58:36 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: SeekAndFind
Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.”<<

Hey Gretchen..You tried with your votes, but now.... Its time for YOU to address the “big picture” u created...put the barrel in your mouth and pull the damned trigger...You'll feel much better about yourself and your votes shortly after...

31 posted on 06/02/2014 7:58:48 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: SeekAndFind

So many are so uninformed that they do not know there is a connection between property taxes and monthly house payments.


32 posted on 06/02/2014 7:59:11 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: jmacusa
Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots.

LOL, they give idiots a bad name.

33 posted on 06/02/2014 7:59:57 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Liberals aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer, but they are, to paraphrase Al Haig “in charge here!”


34 posted on 06/02/2014 8:02:13 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“But I just voted for a bunch of government spending. Someone else I supposed to pay the taxes.”


35 posted on 06/02/2014 8:12:58 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: SeekAndFind
In Fredricksburg last year I was in a conversation with an Ex-Austinite (sp?) and proud Obama supporter. She said she moved from Austin because it was “too liberal, even for me.”
36 posted on 06/02/2014 8:14:42 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparisons)
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To: clintonh8r
Right here!

 photo violin-1.jpg

I suggest we have a "stupidity tax." Then Gretchen could enjoy 100% tax rates.

37 posted on 06/02/2014 8:22:53 PM PDT by Clay Moore (I Like My Guns Like Obama Likes His Voters: Undocumented)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gretchen: Drop dead. You voted for it. You own/owe it.

Good luck in your new Obama-approved paper box house.

Dumb ahole. What did you expect, lower taxes?

Some people are pepertually stuck on stupid.


38 posted on 06/02/2014 8:27:52 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: SeekAndFind
Every few years, liberals try to get Texas to adopt an income tax. Strangly, they find many takers on this truely stupid idea. Fortunately, we've been able to beat them back time after time.

High taxes are supposed to be painful you stupid schmucks.

39 posted on 06/02/2014 8:28:34 PM PDT by zeugma (I have never seen anyone cross the street to avoid a black man in a suit.)
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To: uncitizen
“It’s not because I don’t like paying taxes,” said Gardner, who attended both meetings. “I have voted for the government to spend, spend, spend, spend every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I don't want to pay for it and I can’t afford to live here anymore.

I second your Bwhahahahaha.

Libs would be cute if they weren't so dangerously dumb.

40 posted on 06/02/2014 8:32:31 PM PDT by A message
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberals never vote with a well informed full consideration of all the ramifications of what they vote in favor of, or with any objective study as to whether or not the objectives of the policy will or even can be achieved. They vote only because the vote makes them FEEL good, makes them FEEL they are doing a “good thing”.


41 posted on 06/02/2014 8:35:59 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: muir_redwoods

OMG when I saw that video with the 14 kids I was DISGUSTED!!!!!! This
Is when I knew how much trouble this country was in 14 kids and not enough common sense to even THINK about how in the HELL they were
going to survive!!!!! Birth control IS AVAILABLE everywhere FREE for
God’s sake and this woman was to stupid to take a pill each day!!!!!!


42 posted on 06/02/2014 8:39:15 PM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: SeekAndFind
“I’m at the breaking point,” said Gretchen Gardner, an Austin artist who bought a 1930s bungalow in the Bouldin neighborhood just south of downtown in 1991 and has watched her property tax bill soar to $8,500 this year. “It’s not because I don’t like paying taxes,” said Gardner, who attended both meetings. “I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can’t afford to live here anymore. I’ll protest my appraisal notice, but that’s not enough. Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.”


43 posted on 06/02/2014 8:40:02 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can’t afford to live here anymore. I’ll protest my appraisal notice, but that’s not enough. Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.””

Hah!!! Funniest thing I’ve read in years! A low information voter who votes to tax “other” people and finds out she is one of them! Hah!


44 posted on 06/02/2014 8:42:09 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
People rarely have a problem with sales tax. The reason being it is right up front and not hidden so when you are thinking of making a purchase you know way ahead of time you will have to pay that additional fee AND the important part is EVERYONE PAYS IT... If you buy at a legal retail outlet you have to pay it just like everyone else.

The problem with property taxes is people who don't own property get to vote on whether to raise taxes on property they don't own. Further if you are a property owner you never really own it, you must always pay that fee or the Gub'ment will take it away from you and then sell it to someone else who has to pay the fee or they in turn will lose it.

45 posted on 06/02/2014 8:42:33 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: technically right

“Make everyone write a check every quarter to the federal government for their income tax liability. “

The day before election day would be my preference.


46 posted on 06/02/2014 8:44:30 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: Bender2

Ping.


47 posted on 06/02/2014 8:46:15 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: LUV W

Ping.


48 posted on 06/02/2014 8:46:32 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: txhurl

The stupid, it burns.


49 posted on 06/02/2014 8:46:50 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: SeekAndFind
“I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can’t afford to live here anymore.

Did it ever occur to her that OTHER people could not afford to live there after all the taxes imposed for "parks, libraries, school improvements, light rail and anything that will make the city better" that SHE voted for?

No, she didn't. She only woke the F up when it gored her ox.

I so despise these people.

50 posted on 06/02/2014 8:47:23 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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