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American paranoia and Bowe Bergdahl (Here it comes)
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | June 3, 2014 | Dan Murphy

Posted on 06/03/2014 12:23:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Taliban prisoner swap for Bowe Bergdahl might do some good, but fear and anger are getting in the way of a realistic appraisal.

Richard Hofstadter opened his 1968 essay, "The Paranoid Style in American Politics," with this line: "American politics has often been an arena for angry minds."

He continues, "Behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wing. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind."

One wonders what Mr. Hofstadter would have to say about the great gnashing of teeth and anger today over President Barack Obama's prisoner swap for US soldier Bowe Bergdahl. Lurking behind this is not just disagreement with the decision – to release five men, four of them very senior Taliban leaders at the time of their detention in 2001, in exchange for the army sergeant – but a seemingly deep-seated belief that Obama is unpatriotic, more interested in helping American enemies than helping America.

Lending to the outrage is credible evidence that Bergdahl, an odd duck who had grown to hate the war according to people who served with him, deliberately walked off post before his capture. Nathan Bradley Bethea, who was serving in Afghanistan at time with Bergdahl's unit (the 1st Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment) makes it clear that Bergdahl went AWOL from his platoon's small outpost in Paktika Province in an in-depth piece on the events before his capture and how members of his unit, which lost soldiers trying to track him down, feel about the event. Many are understandably angry and consider the man a deserter....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 06/03/2014 12:23:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Bergdahl went AWOL”

End of story.


2 posted on 06/03/2014 12:24:45 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: combat_boots

The CSM lost credibility a decade ago.


3 posted on 06/03/2014 12:25:44 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Darn right Americans are angry

They should be.


4 posted on 06/03/2014 12:27:02 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Absolutely the most miss-named publication in America!


5 posted on 06/03/2014 12:28:17 PM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: BenLurkin

The people who are angriest are the soldiers who were the closest to the events.


6 posted on 06/03/2014 12:29:06 PM PDT by DManA
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To: combat_boots

Precisely. “Left” when you do not have leave/permission is going AWOL.

This is the dispersal of the WH talking points yet again. Watch for the same exact language use across the various articles.


7 posted on 06/03/2014 12:30:31 PM PDT by rod1 (CTLY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s not paranoia if they are out to get you!


8 posted on 06/03/2014 12:30:51 PM PDT by AU72
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Was this “Going After Cacciato” moment in fact a desertion, a desire to join up with the Taliban? Or was it simply an absence without leave, a lesser crime? That’s for the military justice system to work out.

isnt being AWOL in the battlefield DESERTION>???


9 posted on 06/03/2014 12:30:57 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Bergdahl own actions risked the lives of his fellow soldiers and maybe even caused their deaths and now he, through the president's actions, might have risked the lives of more American soldiers and maybe even the lives of American civilians.

We forget that the Taliban supported Osama Bin Laden and assisted him in the deaths of Americans during 9/11.

10 posted on 06/03/2014 12:32:24 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“but a seemingly deep-seated belief that Obama is unpatriotic, more interested in helping American enemies than helping America.”

Uh yeh that too.


11 posted on 06/03/2014 12:33:06 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The CSM holds all the stature and truthfulness of Scientology Today.


12 posted on 06/03/2014 12:34:38 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: DManA

Exactly. Because they witness the results of his actions.


13 posted on 06/03/2014 12:34:45 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Those who should be angriest are the families of those soldiers who were ambushed and killed while they searched for this deserter. The men in his unit think he gave the Taliban information that helped them plan the ambushes.

This needs to be thoroughly investigated and should it prove to be true, he deserves the death penalty.


14 posted on 06/03/2014 12:36:22 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is for you, CSM:

"Jenna Lee ✔ @Jennafnc Follow Great reporting from @JenGriffinFNC - new report: Berghdal left behind a note renouncing American citizenship...developing... 9:43 AM - 3 Jun 2014"

15 posted on 06/03/2014 12:37:25 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Dr. Thorne

BTTT


16 posted on 06/03/2014 12:39:10 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We traded 5 enemy for a traitor?

WTF?!!


17 posted on 06/03/2014 12:40:17 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
a seemingly deep-seated belief that Obama is unpatriotic, more interested in helping American enemies than helping America

How could anyone get the idea that Obama hates America? Other than releasing five of the most dangerous mass-murderer/terrorists in the world, adding $7T to our national debt, socializing 16% of the American economy, shipping weapons to Mexican drug dealers and Islamic terrorists while disarming patriotic Americans, overthrowing stable Arab governments to put more radical extremists in power, creating gay "marriage", systematically undermining the rule of law, nominating the two worst Supreme Court Justices in history, destroying enough jobs to hold the economy in the longest recession in four generations, promoting a fresh surge of illegals, losing two wars that we were winning, and dismantling our military, what has he done that might call his competence and patriotism into question?

18 posted on 06/03/2014 12:41:06 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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but a seemingly deep-seated belief that Obama is unpatriotic, more interested in helping American enemies than helping America.

Ummmm...that's because he IS more interested in helping our enemies!

19 posted on 06/03/2014 12:42:23 PM PDT by pgkdan (ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF THE ANTICHRIST!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I saw Homeland on Showtime...


20 posted on 06/03/2014 12:42:42 PM PDT by Fish Speaker (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Pollster1

Amen.


21 posted on 06/03/2014 12:42:52 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Bowe Bergdahl Scheduled for Promotion to Staff Sergeant in June
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/06/02/Bowe-Bergdahl-Scheduled-For-Promotion-to-Staff-Sergeant-in-June

Col. David Hunt: US Lost 14 SOLDIERS Searching for Deserter Bowe Bergdahl (Video)
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/col-david-hunt-we-lost-14-soldiers-searching-for-deserter-bergdahl-video/


22 posted on 06/03/2014 12:43:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: mylife

Taliban: We’ll trade one of your terrorists for five of ours!

Obama: Sounds like a bargain to me.


23 posted on 06/03/2014 12:43:42 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Drudge has it right!

OBAMA SAVED A RAT?

...at best a deserter, at worst a traitor.

24 posted on 06/03/2014 12:44:03 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Pollster1

You forgot shuttering coal power plants by his EPA.


25 posted on 06/03/2014 12:44:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Ingtar

It is ludicrous!


26 posted on 06/03/2014 12:46:26 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: rod1; 2ndDivisionVet

More accurately - Bergdahl DESERTED.

Desertion, as opposed to going AWOL, requires an intent to not return. IMHO, he demonstrated that intent through his actions and his emails.


27 posted on 06/03/2014 12:49:21 PM PDT by Bob (Five Taliban commanders for one Taliban sympathizer - a trade only Obama could love.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BRANDED! Scorned as the one who RAN!
WHAT do you do when you’re BRANDED....
‘Cause you’re one of the TALIBAN????


28 posted on 06/03/2014 12:50:38 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
fear and anger are getting in the way of a realistic appraisal

Fear and anger are normal reactions to terrorism. For many Americans, fear and anger are natural responses to obama. Isn't it interesting that terrorism and obama elicit the same emotions?

29 posted on 06/03/2014 12:52:35 PM PDT by matt1234 (Everything I write is a lie.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

A decade ago! Its been a leftwing rag ever since I can remember, and I just turned 65.


30 posted on 06/03/2014 12:52:38 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (The Free World has a new leader--his name is Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

Hmmmm ..?? My greatest “paranoia” .. that the son will murder his parents (or at least his mother).

I wonder what the level of paranoia will be then ..??


31 posted on 06/03/2014 12:53:43 PM PDT by CyberAnt (True the Vote: MY AMERICA, "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“take former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, who wrote on her Facebook page: “You blew it again, Barack Obama, by negotiating away any leverage against the bad guys as these bad guys – Osama Bin Laden’s partners in evil crime – joyfully celebrate their ‘win’ in the deal you sealed.”

That is not remotely what Obama has just done. And amid all the fear and anger and, yes, paranoia, is the chance that the release of the Taliban five maybe – just maybe – will do some good. None of the men were ever charged with any crime against US citizens or soldiers, and the Afghan government has been eager to pen a reconciliation deal with the Taliban. US-installed President Hamid Karzai has repeatedly sought talks with the group, downplayed their threat, and criticized the money spent and blood spilled on his government’s behalf in America’s longest war.

Ending wars almost requires hard choices, and that moment has arrived for the US. A hard choice may prove to be a wrong choice, but it isn’t betrayal, and people that seek black and white clarity over Afghanistan need to look elsewhere.”

Wow, Dan. You’re really a moron.


32 posted on 06/03/2014 12:54:26 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: 2harddrive

33 posted on 06/03/2014 12:54:30 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: 2harddrive
We used to sing "Stranded, stranded on the toilet bowl,
what do you do if you're stranded, without any roll?
To prove you're a man, you must wipe it with your hand...STRANDED!!"
34 posted on 06/03/2014 12:54:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Pollster1

xlnt summary

I would add using the IRS to go after patriotic groups and citizens who disagree with him.


35 posted on 06/03/2014 12:58:25 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: combat_boots

Bergdahl deserted his unit during wartime. Then he converted to Islam and collaborated with the enemy by training the Taliban (according to the Taliban) in bomb-making techniques. This is treason and deserves the death penalty.


36 posted on 06/03/2014 12:59:00 PM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Obamanation--the most corrupt regime since Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Even the National Enquirer is more credible.


37 posted on 06/03/2014 1:00:22 PM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Obamanation--the most corrupt regime since Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe)
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To: RightWingConspirator

Agreed.

Bergdahl was a talib (student) of the Taliban (plural).


38 posted on 06/03/2014 1:01:51 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“These are the hardest of the hard core. These are the highest high-risk people, and others that we have released have gone back into the fight,” he told Face the Nation. “If they are able to (after) a year in Qatar to do whatever they want to do there’s no doubt they will reenter the fight.”

Perhaps. But it’s also possibly that these men, older and wiser heads than many of the commanders in the field who have little political experience, will be interested in cutting deals with the Afghan government after so much bloodshed. With the group in Qatar for the next year, government representatives will have a chance to find out.”

Yeah, that’s great. What a plan.
Of course, they’ll stay in Qatar.
They promised and everything, right?
They’re older and wiser and stuff.

Who is this naive idiot?
You don’t really believe evil exists, do you Dan?


39 posted on 06/03/2014 1:02:12 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: Pollster1

Don’t forget that he allowed openly gay men and women to serve in our armed forces, and wants to enlist transexuals and illegal aliens too.


40 posted on 06/03/2014 1:03:13 PM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Obamanation--the most corrupt regime since Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The National Defense Authorization act of 2013, signed by Obama, required certification to Congress of an intention to transfer prisoner(s) being held in Gitmo, and all thirty days before any transfer.

Also he swore:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.

I wasn’t able to find any explantion in the NDAA of penalties for violation of this act (I suppose it was unthinkable that any president would intentionally violate a law he signed, and a year ago), but if this isn’t a high crime or misdemeanor, then no such thing exists.

He has become so accustomed to `thumbing his nose’ at laws that this is just one more to be followed—or not—as it suits him. As of 2008, we were no longer a nation of laws.


41 posted on 06/03/2014 1:04:01 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
From the article:

"Bethea writes that Bergdahl left most of his gear – his flak, his rifle – behind, taking only his compass."

Left his flak behind? Well damn...in 11 years in boots, I never went anywhere without my flak...

Hey Murphy, you dork...I assume you're talking about his body armor???

Dan Murphy obviously knows not the first friggin' thing about the Army. As if the above facepalm-worthy mistake isn't enough, look at his picture...looks to me like he's better suited to covering Burning Man than Afghanistan.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

42 posted on 06/03/2014 1:05:45 PM PDT by wku man (Veterans, it's up to us to save the Republic...let's roll.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Even the left was so stunned by this atrocity that it took them a few days to get cranked up.


43 posted on 06/03/2014 1:06:18 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Soon, "the grateful dead" will be more than just the name of a crap band...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
an odd duck who had grown to hate the war according to people who served with him

The war had been going on for seven years when he joined.

He deserted when his tour was less than half over.

There are three scenarios:

(1) He was a wide eyed innocent who had no idea what was going on.

(2) He was legitimately on board with the program and motivated when he went to Afghanistan and within 14-16 weeks his views and personality completely changed to the point he was making up nonexistent war crimes.

(3) He enlisted with a specific plan, and carried it out.

44 posted on 06/03/2014 1:07:50 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dan Murphy

Dan has been a reporter since the early '90s, working for Bloomberg News and the Far Eastern Economic Review before going to work for the Monitor in 1999

45 posted on 06/03/2014 1:14:34 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dan Murphy @bungdan · 2h

I’m not sure setting US foreign policy on what makes some combat veterans very angry is a good idea.

Dan Murphy
@bungdan Is the WaPo deliberately lying about Afghan complaint over prisoner swap, or simply ignorant? I’m going with lying. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/was-price-to-win-release-of-an-american-soldier-from-taliban-captivity-too-high/2014/06/02/7ee295e4-ea72-11e3-93d2-edd4be1f5d9e_story.html

Retweeted by Dan Murphy

Michael Cohen @speechboy71 · 9h

You should be ashamed MT @AriFleischer: Q for Pres O: Can you assure American people that Sgt. Bergdahl served with “honor and distinction”?

https://twitter.com/bungdan


46 posted on 06/03/2014 1:17:31 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Works for the Christian Science Monitor. It is more complicated than that.

47 posted on 06/03/2014 1:21:04 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Of course. “The paranoid style.” Meaning, anyone suspicious of government is automatically labelled paranoid. But of course, government would never want to hurt anyone.


48 posted on 06/03/2014 1:22:35 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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49 posted on 06/03/2014 1:23:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This “man of straw” tactic is getting old.

Dan Murphy first admits that Bergdahl was AWOL and that people have good reason to be angry about US soldiers losing their lives looking for a deserter, etc. Then he tries to hedge, by suggesting maybe Bergdahl meant to walk to India. I guess abandoning your post during a war for a trek vacation doesn’t count as “desertion” desertion. And Murphy admits it’s fair to question why we would trade 5 senior enemies for a deserter. In the face of these admissions, Murphy inexplicably asserts that criticism of Obama’s choices must derive from paranoid delusions that Obama did this deliberately to harm America.

Sorry, Dan. I think Obama did it in a bungled attempt to take heat off his VA debacle by taking credit for bringing an American “POW” home. He thought it would make him look competent. It didn’t.

The residue of the article is given to bone-brained musings, like “perhaps” the five released Taliban will be older and wiser, and work for peace. Choom-bayah baby, roll those dice. And the Taliban wanted to surrender in 2001, but we didn’t want them to. Uh huh. He misses the point of the administration’s foreign policy mess that this exposes and aggravates: Obama did this behind Karzai’s back, further alienating and weakening him, just as we are pulling out. Lesser men than Obama would try to strengthen a US ally/puppet, in the absence of a back-up plan. Do I think he’s acting from a devious agenda within a complex conspiracy? Heck no. I think he is a doofus advised by incompetent politicians.


50 posted on 06/03/2014 1:23:54 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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