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Bergdhal Nondisclosure Documents - Vanity
6/3/14 | dagogo redux

Posted on 06/03/2014 4:34:09 PM PDT by dagogo redux

In all the controversy of the past few days, one of the most disturbing aspects of the Bergdhal scandal was the requirement that GIs who knew the truth firsthand had to sign nondisclosure documents not to discuss it.

My questions:

Is this a legitimate tactic that anyone in power in the military or the government at large can demand anytime to keep a scandal from emerging?

Does one's oath of office for the military include honoring such orders when "following orders" goes against their conscience and?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: authority; bergdahl; legitimacy; nondisclosure; requirements
Thoughts - random or fully informed - are all welcome.
1 posted on 06/03/2014 4:34:09 PM PDT by dagogo redux
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To: dagogo redux

This civilian had to sign one of those returning from Iraq in 2010.


2 posted on 06/03/2014 4:37:39 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: dagogo redux

Can they talk about, not being able to talk about it ?


3 posted on 06/03/2014 4:37:57 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: dagogo redux

In my four years in the Marine Corps I never had to sign anything like that. But that was a different world, the 1960s....


4 posted on 06/03/2014 4:38:57 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Soon, "the grateful dead" will be more than just the name of a crap band...)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

What was the result if you refused to sign a non-disclosure document?


5 posted on 06/03/2014 4:42:08 PM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: dagogo redux

I’ve never served, but I do know you don’t have to follow illegal orders.


6 posted on 06/03/2014 4:43:13 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: dagogo redux

When did the NDA’s happen? Early, when the military may have been trying to protect the captive, or recently, when it would obviously be about protecting Obama?


7 posted on 06/03/2014 4:43:21 PM PDT by JustTheTruth
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To: PieterCasparzen

And documents that are signed under duress are worthless documents. Any legal document signed under duress.


8 posted on 06/03/2014 4:44:55 PM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: kjam22

Didn’t ask. Could have included at least a reprimand or dismissal...


9 posted on 06/03/2014 4:46:10 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: dagogo redux

In my mind it is wholly illegal and contrary to open and above board standard of government


10 posted on 06/03/2014 4:46:30 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: dagogo redux

Bump cause this process bothers me also.


11 posted on 06/03/2014 4:47:29 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: dagogo redux
It is inappropriate and unethical to force soldiers to execute Non Disclosure Agreements regarding military action, especailly when the intent of the non disclosure is to cover up wrong doing or to obstruct justice.

Soldiers are required to execute the orders of their superiors faithfully and without question or hesitation so they are unable to enter into an NDA of their own free will ( a requirement for executing an NDA )if they are ordered to do so.

Otherwise they are entering into the NDA under duress or due to improper command influence by their superiors.

I seriously doubt such an NDA would be held valid, especially if the information that they were being forced to seal under non disclosure concealed illegal activities or wrong doing or if the NDA restrictions were in place to obstruct justice or frustrate a lawful investigation on a topic that was central to National Security.

12 posted on 06/03/2014 4:50:58 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: rdcbn

If the NDA is interpreted as protecting classified information, then it is certainly valid. If the NDA only serves narrow political ends, then it is probably not valid (small comfort when a corrupt thug like Holder will be the enforcer coming after those who violate any NDA).

If they cleverly redefine Top Secret to “information or material the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national government” instead of “. . . exceptionally grave damage to the national security,” then they can make the pretense of classification stick.

Or they can relocate anyone who talks - Gitmo now has five vacancies!


13 posted on 06/03/2014 4:58:11 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: dagogo redux

Bump...cause this process bothers me also. No military lawyers on board FR this evening?


14 posted on 06/03/2014 5:01:00 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: kjam22

“What was the result if you refused to sign a non-disclosure document?”

That is a VERY interesting point, if you are in the military.


15 posted on 06/03/2014 5:01:40 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Resettozero

Ditto. There has to be some proviso for this or against it under the UCMJ. They can’t make you sign an NDA for a cover-up. That isn’t right.

I could not make it in the military today. I pity those who try.


16 posted on 06/03/2014 5:10:11 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Resettozero

I agree that it would be great to get some military attorneys to weigh in on this. It seems a bit obnoxious to BTTT my own thread, but I hope someone keeps it visible until such an attorney comes along who can explain this. It seems rife with potential for abuse in an age where loose lips might sink dictatorships.

[PS - sorry to have misspelled this loser’s last name twice: I’ve other names for him that are probably not printable here.]


17 posted on 06/03/2014 5:48:04 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

BTTT


18 posted on 06/03/2014 5:50:07 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: dagogo redux

bttt


19 posted on 06/03/2014 5:50:21 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: dagogo redux

When this Bergdahl character WENT AWOL and SHOULD have been declared a DESERTER from the gitgo, he left behind emails and notes saying he was “disgusted” with the United States and talked about RENOUNCING HIS CITIZENSHIP. (During my 4 years in the USAF in the Vietnam era, I wasn’t all that thrilled about how the government was mishandling a war that was getting so many of our folks unnecessarily KIA but never once thought about doing what THIS clown did!)

Despite obozo’s desire to keep all this hush-hush, MORE will come out as his former comrades defy orders to shut up and do speak out.
Now, here are the $64,000.00 questions that may have already been asked:
After 5 years with the Taliban, just how many IEDs and other “devices” did they teach him how to construct?
And, once he’s set out and about in the US population, how many other similarly disaffected malcontents, black muslims, radical Bill Ayers/Bernadine Dohrn wannabes will he teach everything the Taliban taught him?

Think Boston Marathon bombers X 10 to the 10th power on steroids!!

And we can all thank the TRAITOR in the Spite House, his lackeys in the bureaucracy, congress,the Pentagon and the lapdog media!

Doesn’t bother you, you say? It may if one of YOUR loved ones happens to be in a shopping mall when one of those devices goes off


20 posted on 06/03/2014 6:16:16 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: clintonh8r

I was in a few years later: Gator fleet in the 70s, took part - off shore - in the fall of Cambodia, and few weeks after that the fall of Saigon, and a while after that the Mayaguez incident. CIA were running all over the place posing as journalists and such, and I saw/heard stuff that never made the newspapers or the history books. And yet, no one came by and demanded I sign a nondisclosure agreement.

I’m curious during which corrupt administration this became SOP.


21 posted on 06/03/2014 6:35:37 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

I never heard of any such nonsense after the ‘90 - ‘91 war.

If information vital to the public understanding of war with Islam is suppressed and operations are not compromised then this is in my opinion an unlawful order.


22 posted on 06/03/2014 6:41:22 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd

My gut says people encountered WMDs and the government wanted to put a lid on it.


23 posted on 06/03/2014 6:45:45 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: yldstrk

Sounds pretty close to witness tampering.


24 posted on 06/03/2014 6:58:22 PM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: Resettozero

former JAG here, wholly unenforceable


25 posted on 06/03/2014 7:02:44 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: kjam22

I’ve seen allegations that they had to sign before being “allowed” to return stateside.


26 posted on 06/03/2014 9:02:08 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: yldstrk

Thanks for weighing in, sir.

What do you make of this? The soldiers who have come forth and mentioned this seem otherwise believable and without any reason to mention such a detail unless it was true.


27 posted on 06/03/2014 9:11:26 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

Most transparent administration evah’


28 posted on 06/03/2014 9:39:14 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: yldstrk

Illegal but perfect to intimidate witnesses.

That’s the template for everything this regime does.

BTW, here’s a link to an article about one of the guys who says he had to sign an NDA: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/06/03/bergdahl-platoon-mate-he-deserted-his-post-willfully-and-purposefully


29 posted on 06/04/2014 12:17:25 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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