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Verbal or Written Permission Could be Required For College Sex
LA Weekly ^ | Wed, Jun 4, 2014 | Dennis Romero

Posted on 06/04/2014 2:20:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway

You're in the heat of the moment, rounding third, but then you must stop and ask, Can I have your verbal or written consent to have sex with you?

Sounds quite unspontaneous. But a law co-authored by L.A. state Sen. Kevin de Leon would have state-run college campuses establish an "affirmative consent" standard for its students.

According to the language of the bill, SB 967, students who want to have sex must essentially establish that there has been "an affirmative, unambiguous, and conscious decision by each participant to engage in mutually agreed-upon sexual activity." In fact, the legislation says, ... ... It is the responsibility of the person who wants to engage in initiating the sexual activity to ensure that he or she has the consent of the other person to engage in the sexual activity. Lack of protest or resistance does not mean consent, nor does silence mean consent. No more making sexy faces and sounds for you. You've got to verbalize. Or get it on paper.

A rep for Leon said that the University of California system, as well as other noted institutions around the nation, have already adopted a similar policy. And she emphasized that this was just one aspect of a law aimed at changing the culture of California campuses when it comes to sexual assault and harassment.

The legislation, which was recently approved by the Senate, would also require state colleges and universities to establish standards for student or campus sex that already exist under California law:

People accused of assault, for example, couldn't use being drunk as an excuse. And it would be assault to have sex with someone who's asleep, unconscious or otherwise unable to give consent.

Leon's rep explained that while this is also part of current law, campuses have their own systems of student discipline, and without expressly laying down the rules for colleges as well, some suspects could fall through the cracks. And some victims could shy away.

With this law, it would all be there in black and white for each and every state campus. They would have to abide.

The bill appears to be a response to last month's release of a U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights roster of 55 schools that face inquiries over their handling of the sex-assault reports.

De Leon says:

The federal government is currently investigating 55 colleges and universities. Obviously, there is a problem. SB 967 will change the equation so the system is not stacked against survivors by establishing an affirmative consent policy to make it clear that only 'yes' means 'yes.'

Bill co-author Hannah-Beth Jackson, a state Senator from Santa Barbara, adds:

... Events in Isla Vista confirm that misogyny exists on and around our campuses, and we need to confront it. This bill makes a strong statement that California is moving from a culture of acceptance to a 'no excuses' culture. No excuses for rape. No excuses for blaming the victims of rape. No excusing for not supporting these victims. And no excuses for colleges and universities turning a blind eye to the problem of campus sexual assault and violence.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Tennessee
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1 posted on 06/04/2014 2:20:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Some guys will probably post forms on the bulletin board and see who calls.


2 posted on 06/04/2014 2:22:22 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: nickcarraway

Better have it notorized


3 posted on 06/04/2014 2:22:41 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: nickcarraway

Western Civilization has collapsed. We’re haggling over the final score.


4 posted on 06/04/2014 2:22:59 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: nickcarraway

Wait! Don’t sign till the notary gets here.


5 posted on 06/04/2014 2:23:38 PM PDT by joelt
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To: nickcarraway

Sex for everyone - except straight white males.

Anyway, I don’t necessarily see this as a bad thing.


6 posted on 06/04/2014 2:23:51 PM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: driftdiver

or at least text each other then your respective cell carriers have copies


7 posted on 06/04/2014 2:24:24 PM PDT by posterchild (It takes a politician to declare a settled science.)
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To: joelt

Notary? How about a video will and DNR?


8 posted on 06/04/2014 2:24:27 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Discrimination against the illiterate!


9 posted on 06/04/2014 2:25:40 PM PDT by posterchild (It takes a politician to declare a settled science.)
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To: nickcarraway

Meat Loaf: “Paradise by the dashboard light”

I gotta know right now!

Lemme sleep on it...

I gotta know right now!


10 posted on 06/04/2014 2:25:40 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU..)
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To: nickcarraway
Stop right there. I need to know right now. Before we go any further, Do you love me? Will you love me forever? Do you need me? Will you never leave me?

-PJ

11 posted on 06/04/2014 2:25:51 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: nickcarraway

I’ll bet there’s an app for this.


12 posted on 06/04/2014 2:26:02 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Migraine

I couldn’t take it any longer god I was crazy when the lawyers came upon me like a tidal wave.


13 posted on 06/04/2014 2:26:38 PM PDT by posterchild (It takes a politician to declare a settled science.)
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To: nickcarraway

A stupid, politically correct, feel-good bill that is totally unenforceable.


14 posted on 06/04/2014 2:27:29 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: nickcarraway

So I guess, “Stick it in my dirty place!” has not established that there has been “an affirmative, unambiguous, and conscious decision by each participant to engage in mutually agreed-upon sexual activity.”


15 posted on 06/04/2014 2:28:28 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: nickcarraway

Taking passing notes in class to a whole other level.


16 posted on 06/04/2014 2:30:05 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Sergio

You have some strange girlfriends. Or cleaning ladies.


17 posted on 06/04/2014 2:30:37 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

This won’t pass but I really, REALLY hope that it does.

I hope the left turns college campii into freaking NORTH KOREA —no music, no booze, no fatty foods like pizza, no fornication, no weird haircuts or clothes, NO FUN AT ALL.

That ought to really spice up the young vote…!

Won’t they be popular…!


18 posted on 06/04/2014 2:30:49 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: nickcarraway

I think they tried this at Oberlin about 25 years ago.


19 posted on 06/04/2014 2:31:02 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: nickcarraway
Written Permission Could be Required For College Sex

Should be good for the blackmail business

20 posted on 06/04/2014 2:31:47 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey (The larger the government, the smaller the people)
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To: nickcarraway

LOL!!! Just using a phrase I thought would make it past the censors.


21 posted on 06/04/2014 2:31:49 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: nickcarraway

This will just push undocumented sex further into the shadows.


22 posted on 06/04/2014 2:32:38 PM PDT by posterchild (It takes a politician to declare a settled science.)
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To: nickcarraway

How the Hell would one prove that they DIDN’T give verbal permission? This does nothing....still “he said she said.” Absurd.


23 posted on 06/04/2014 2:36:00 PM PDT by 2big2fail
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To: nickcarraway

Written... good luck. Verbal... also good luck: She said, “Don’t, stop!” He says she said “Don’t stop!”

Punctuation is important; this policy is stupid.


24 posted on 06/04/2014 2:36:39 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: nickcarraway

There should be an app for that!

(along with a breathalizer/sobriety tester)


25 posted on 06/04/2014 2:39:02 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: nickcarraway

I don’t have a problem with this. It protects the men as much or more than it does the women.

Besides, it could be a good thing to be fearing women or men coming out of the woodwork when considering ever being married.

This might greatly prevent unwanted pregnancies and VD.


26 posted on 06/04/2014 2:39:45 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: nickcarraway

Written consent from both parties? The football team isn’t going to like this.


27 posted on 06/04/2014 2:40:47 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Joan Kerrey

Seriously, some enterprising people could make a business out of this.


28 posted on 06/04/2014 2:41:23 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Because females would be inhibited from leaving tangible evidence of who their partners will have been--especially when it could only be deemed to represent what they were willing to do and may never have done--they're not going to be interested in doing the paper-and-ink deed. It'll be even more avoided than male condom use.

Males will quickly realize this bill has a dramatic, downward effect on their chances of getting laid, hence freedoms will clearly be seen to have been curbed by politicians.

Non-sober females will quickly claim their document was signed under "under the influence", leading to even more guys facing legal expense and regret, sometimes just to spare her honor in her daddy's eyes.

Even if it makes it into law, pushed by whack-job politicians, it'll get repealed much more quickly than prohibition.

This will go nowhere fast.

HF

29 posted on 06/04/2014 2:47:12 PM PDT by holden
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To: Sacajaweau

Leave it to feminists and fags to drag the government right into the act of coitus.


30 posted on 06/04/2014 2:47:53 PM PDT by formosa
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This is completely unnecessary. The whole act is already being recorded on someone’s phone. Just play back the Oh, yes, don’t stop part.


31 posted on 06/04/2014 2:52:13 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: nickcarraway

www.itwasconsensual.com?


32 posted on 06/04/2014 2:52:58 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (radicalized via the Internet)
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To: 2big2fail
How the Hell would one prove that they DIDN’T give verbal permission? This does nothing....still “he said she said.” Absurd.

Take out your smart phone, record video of her giving consent. Email video to yourself (or upload to youtube or send to her parents and sorority sisters, depending on your mood afterwards)

33 posted on 06/04/2014 2:53:53 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: nickcarraway
Lack of protest or resistance does not mean consent, nor does silence mean consent.

The hell it doesn't. Are women grown ups are aren't they?

And why are drunk women 0 % responsible for their behavior (allowing sex) and drunk men are 100 % responsible (initiating sex)?

The spectacular one-sidedness of this all makes me want to wretch.

34 posted on 06/04/2014 2:54:03 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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So now it’s required to have permission on what goes on in one’s private bedroom. Wonder if this is also required with fags and lesbians?
Feminists used to have bumper stickers that said; ‘Government get out of my womb’ so now it’s Government get out of my bedroom.
Soon it will be required that married people have to have permission to also have sex. What a world we live in.


35 posted on 06/04/2014 2:55:09 PM PDT by Vinylly (?%)
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Don’t forget the NSA. I hear that they make reliable witnesses in a court of law...


36 posted on 06/04/2014 2:55:09 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: formosa
Leave it to feminists and fags to drag the government right into the act of coitus.

The same asshats who shriek for the government to stay out of our bedrooms.

37 posted on 06/04/2014 2:56:21 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Sacajaweau

Diagrams and u circle the positions u agree to


38 posted on 06/04/2014 2:56:50 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: nickcarraway

Will “Take me, take me now, make me feel dirty!” count as affirmative consent, or does the guy need to actually ask?


39 posted on 06/04/2014 2:57:02 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Of COURSE bacon is good for you!!!)
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To: Charles Martel
I’ll bet there’s an app for this.

40 posted on 06/04/2014 2:58:50 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: nickcarraway

Why not just cut to the chase and require men to submit written applications to the Women’s Studies Department for their Beta Male Sex Cards, first? That’s where this is eventually going. :)


41 posted on 06/04/2014 2:59:17 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL-GALT-DELETE])
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To: Tallguy

It’s not the score that counts... it’s all about beating the spread.


42 posted on 06/04/2014 3:00:33 PM PDT by Rodamala
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Seriously, some enterprising people could make a business out of this.

43 posted on 06/04/2014 3:01:23 PM PDT by Bratch
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Some enterprising coder should be able to write an app for this that works via smartphones. THEN, the consenting “adults” can be tracked in some way. Say, check-in, check-out, comments and rating section on the other partner; you know, the usual stuff.


44 posted on 06/04/2014 3:01:49 PM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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That doesn’t prove it was her only her phone. Ask the judge if he wants to sign off on each instance personally.


45 posted on 06/04/2014 3:08:32 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: nickcarraway

Lefty campus authoritarians apparently havet yet realized that this will require a photo ID.

Can’t have that. It’s racist, you know.


46 posted on 06/04/2014 3:10:16 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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This will just push undocumented sex further into the shadows.

Hee-hee...

Now that abortion is out of the back alley and into the mainstream, college sex will go out of the mainstream and into the back alleys?

-PJ

47 posted on 06/04/2014 3:11:42 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Sacajaweau

How about verbal and written permission to commit crimes? That would work really well? How about written permission to use a gun? Dumb.


48 posted on 06/04/2014 3:12:45 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: nickcarraway
Meat Loaf..."Paradise By The Dashboard Lights"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f80DiqRJjog&sns=sms

49 posted on 06/04/2014 3:31:29 PM PDT by moovova
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Funny point.

Yet thus ludicrous law may actually decrease such activity, though not its goal, which would be a step in the right direction.


50 posted on 06/04/2014 3:47:39 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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